Ok, so did R&D realize that you can target opponents with Thought Scour? That can quickly fill your opponent's graveyard to get the +4/+4 for Jace's Phantasm, especially if you have a Snapcaster Mage flashing one back.
I prefer that fancy new Mind Sculpt 1U for 7 mill on top of whatever they play.
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I remain unconvinced about the Phantasm. It'll take a bit of work to get to 10 cards in the graveyard. I'm eerily reminded of how sure people were that 20 cards in their own graveyard would be a piece of cake for Visions of Beyond, and they had fetch lands back then to work with, too.
Thought Scour and Mind Sculpt can help mill them and at the very least it'll be used late game when it's far more likely to be a 5/5. Also means that red really can't use Reforge the Soul if anyone playing was actually considering that. So much for Tibalt!
Oh, and you know how people were saying that Delver isn't an overpowered deck because Solar Flare/Esper Control can handle it? Yeah...
But then you need to factor in fetches (which every deck with shocks is running). After that you also have your fastlands every now and then, as well as things like 1-3 Filters in a lot of decks. **** adds up fast.
But it adds up because of the fetches, not the Shocks. You spend a lot more on fetches. If anything needs a reprint to lower the cost of Modern it is those, not shocks.
But it adds up because of the fetches, not the Shocks. You spend a lot more on fetches. If anything needs a reprint to lower the cost of Modern it is those, not shocks.
...fetches that are modern legal are already dirt cheap. you can get 2-3 for the cost of a shockland.
Thought Scour and Mind Sculpt can help mill them and at the very least it'll be used late game when it's far more likely to be a 5/5. Also means that red really can't use Reforge the Soul if anyone playing was actually considering that. So much for Tibalt!
Oh, and you know how people were saying that Delver isn't an overpowered deck because Solar Flare/Esper Control can handle it? Yeah...
And then you mill their Griselbrand for them and they recur him on turn 4. Or you make their Delver a 10/2 first striker who laughs at your 5/5. Etc.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
But it adds up because of the fetches, not the Shocks. You spend a lot more on fetches. If anything needs a reprint to lower the cost of Modern it is those, not shocks.
Because a reprint in shocks totally doesn't remove a large chunk of the costs.
From my experience, modern decks run 2 shocks for every 4 fetch they run. Shocks are generally twice the price of fetches, so it evens out.
It's a pointless thing to argue about. I'm just saying that people being "spoiled" or whatever the guy I quoted said probably isn't the main reason to reprint them.
Ok, so did R&D realize that you can target opponents with Thought Scour? That can quickly fill your opponent's graveyard to get the +4/+4 for Jace's Phantasm, especially if you have a Snapcaster Mage flashing one back.
Probably, but then you are just milling your opponent.
And that never works out so well.
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Arguments about prices of shocks for reprints is pointless. Wizards said they'd try and reprint Modern staples, which could easily be understood to include the popular land cards, so its reasonable to expect reprints.
However, while we're talking about it, I don't think reprints of the shocks would lower their value at all. They'd probably skyrocket, since standard players would then be attempting to acquire playsets as well.
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So, does anyone else see the value of Talrand and his drakes in a U/W token shell? Casting a Lingering Souls with him out gets you two 1/1 flying spirits and another 2/2 flying drake, that all get power from Favorable Winds and Intagible Virtue.
Also, the Harbor Bandit is interesting. Cards with off color activation costs in a core set are unusual, right? I'm also a little disappointed that Jace's Phantasm doesn't work for any graveyard, it would have given G/U self mill an excellent new card to play around with.
...fetches that are modern legal are already dirt cheap. you can get 2-3 for the cost of a shockland.
Except that the phantasm is an uncommon note a rare. And it is a 1 drop creature not a cantrip that is sometimes a much much better cantrip. Not to mention 10 cards is much easier than 20. And if people are hyping up over an uncommon then so? It is just an uncommon that the casual crowd will love no matter what. The mill crowd will love this as well. If it breaks into standard then good. Otherwise there is no real reason to bat an eye.
With Cavern Of Souls in print? And these potentially busted miracles? And the immense power creep in creatures? Hell, I think Counterspell could be reprinted, and it wouldn't be that broken. Now, we're getting easier costed Black and White Knight variants, EXALTED, and the possible continued craziness that is Delver and company. Along with whatever Thrun/Scragnoth/whatever variant there is in the new block. Snapcaster Mage is the only thing making permission remotely scary. Magic isn't just for scrubs/casuals/aggro players (not all of these are the same, mind you) ...
Except that the phantasm is an uncommon note a rare. And it is a 1 drop creature not a cantrip that is sometimes a much much better cantrip. Not to mention 10 cards is much easier than 20. And if people are hyping up over an uncommon then so? It is just an uncommon that the casual crowd will love no matter what. The mill crowd will love this as well. If it breaks into standard then good. Otherwise there is no real reason to bat an eye.
I think they made the phantasm because no one really played with Jace3. This little 1 drop gives Jace3 a big oomph if you land both of them.
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C'mon WotC. At least make roaring primadox a "may" trigger. It's not like a 4/4 in green needs to have a potential drawback. Jeez. Insectile aberration gets no transform clause and green cant even get a 4/4 with no evasion at 4cc that can stay on the board by itself. Awesome.
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Buy your Glimpse the Unthinkables before they go (even more) up in price. I smell a Modern deck swinging for 5 in the air on turn 2.
But *will* it go up in price now that you can get most of the effect for 1U (and $0.25)?
Well, I guess Mind Sculpt doesn't enable the turn 2 5/5 that you describe, so hopefully my Glimpses are safe...
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I REALLY wish that Mind Sculpt allowed you to mill yourself. Since one of the decks i play is U/G Splinterfright, I started to get very excited when I read it. Hope the deck gets something good from M13, would love to make it more competitive.
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I prefer that fancy new Mind Sculpt 1U for 7 mill on top of whatever they play.
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Jace's Phantasm is going to be broken in half. Not looking forward to it. At least it's only Uncommon so it won't be a $14 rare. Cup half full, etc.
Thought Scour and Mind Sculpt can help mill them and at the very least it'll be used late game when it's far more likely to be a 5/5. Also means that red really can't use Reforge the Soul if anyone playing was actually considering that. So much for Tibalt!
Oh, and you know how people were saying that Delver isn't an overpowered deck because Solar Flare/Esper Control can handle it? Yeah...
But it adds up because of the fetches, not the Shocks. You spend a lot more on fetches. If anything needs a reprint to lower the cost of Modern it is those, not shocks.
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...fetches that are modern legal are already dirt cheap. you can get 2-3 for the cost of a shockland.
And then you mill their Griselbrand for them and they recur him on turn 4. Or you make their Delver a 10/2 first striker who laughs at your 5/5. Etc.
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Because a reprint in shocks totally doesn't remove a large chunk of the costs.
From my experience, modern decks run 2 shocks for every 4 fetch they run. Shocks are generally twice the price of fetches, so it evens out.
It's a pointless thing to argue about. I'm just saying that people being "spoiled" or whatever the guy I quoted said probably isn't the main reason to reprint them.
Probably, but then you are just milling your opponent.
And that never works out so well.
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However, while we're talking about it, I don't think reprints of the shocks would lower their value at all. They'd probably skyrocket, since standard players would then be attempting to acquire playsets as well.
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Also, the Harbor Bandit is interesting. Cards with off color activation costs in a core set are unusual, right? I'm also a little disappointed that Jace's Phantasm doesn't work for any graveyard, it would have given G/U self mill an excellent new card to play around with.
Except that the phantasm is an uncommon note a rare. And it is a 1 drop creature not a cantrip that is sometimes a much much better cantrip. Not to mention 10 cards is much easier than 20. And if people are hyping up over an uncommon then so? It is just an uncommon that the casual crowd will love no matter what. The mill crowd will love this as well. If it breaks into standard then good. Otherwise there is no real reason to bat an eye.
With Cavern Of Souls in print? And these potentially busted miracles? And the immense power creep in creatures? Hell, I think Counterspell could be reprinted, and it wouldn't be that broken. Now, we're getting easier costed Black and White Knight variants, EXALTED, and the possible continued craziness that is Delver and company. Along with whatever Thrun/Scragnoth/whatever variant there is in the new block. Snapcaster Mage is the only thing making permission remotely scary. Magic isn't just for scrubs/casuals/aggro players (not all of these are the same, mind you) ...
I think they made the phantasm because no one really played with Jace3. This little 1 drop gives Jace3 a big oomph if you land both of them.
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But *will* it go up in price now that you can get most of the effect for 1U (and $0.25)?
Well, I guess Mind Sculpt doesn't enable the turn 2 5/5 that you describe, so hopefully my Glimpses are safe...
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Murder is too expensive ! Should be BB :/
Isn't it a bit... evil.. to call a card "Murder" ?