Tormod's Crypt? Are you serious? There goes any hope I had of playing U/G Dredge at any point in Innistrad's standard time. Saw Yeva, was super pumped to be able to flash Ghoultree/Splinterfright EOT. Saw Crypt. Punched a wall.
They're really out to get Snapcaster I guess.
Because giving yourself -1 Card Advantage really helps against a card that gives you +1 Card Advantage. Anyone who would use Tornod against Delver just mulliganned.
Also, Yeva seems pretty meh. Her ability is useful for combat tricks and fighting control but honestly Thrun just seems better.
He wants to revisit it in the same sense that Metalcraft is a revisit of Affinity. He likes the idea, but wants to fix it, and that cannot really be done without making a new dredge-like mechanic. The only other way to fix dredge is to errata it, and they do not do that.
It's easily possible to make fair Dredge cards withing the current Dredge rules. Darkblast, Nightmare Void, Grave-Shell Scarab, and Life from the Loam are all fair cards that saw play in either Standard or older formats. As long as the cards they print Dredge 3 are not all that helpful to actual Dredge decks then the mechanic itself is 100% balanced.
I'm not going to lie..people who say Crypt is going to stop Snapcaster and make reanimator bad are obviously fools.
Spellbomb has been in Standard forever, yet you don't see it stopping those things do you?
I hope you're right.
I just don't like the direction Wizards are pushing things.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
If we go back to Ravnica and it's just a bunch of strong creatures with EtB effects,
and a bunch of garbage Instants, Sorceries, and Enchantments
(AKA the current state of Standard, and the exact opposite of RAV 1.0),
I'm seriously going to cry.
I'm so tired of this creatures-only business.
If I wanted to play Pokemon, I would play Pokemon
I mean, seriously... Does anybody else remember when creatureless decks were actually viable?
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I'm not going to lie..people who say Crypt is going to stop Snapcaster and make reanimator bad are obviously fools.
I feel several flavors of dirty for saying this, but I agree with you. Crypt is fine, and it can help out of the SB in some cases, but it has been in Modern for months, and most people would still rather run Relic of Progenitus.
Disagreed. I'm fine with Green having Flash Creatures,
But Blue should be the primary home of Flash in general.
Blue is the "surprise" color, not Green.
Just my opinion.
Well, it's really from Mark Rosewater. He keeps saying Flash is primary in green. I asked a question on his tumblr about what it meant for an ability to be primary in a color. He responded here:
When a color is primary in an ability it means that they are the color that most often has that ability. The primary color will almost always have that ability in every set at common. Also, it’s the primary color that tends to grant that ability.
In reality, blue has more commons with the ability than green does, whether you include multicolor cards or ignore them. Green DOES have more uncommons with Flash than blue. A quick search on magiccards.info suggests that blue has had more cards that grant Flash than green does. (And of course, blue has the best Flash creature ever printed, which doesn't help change the perception.) The sad thing is, most, if not all, of the blue Flash cards have been printed AFTER Mr. Rosewater said that Flash is primary in green. To me, with all the above considered, his statement has simply been false.
Flash makes sense in blue, but the inconsistancy between what Mr. Rosewater claims and what WotC has printed is extremely frustrating. If Flash is not actually going to be primary in green, he should stop saying it is. Yeva goes a long way towards aligning what he says and what they do.
It's only good with Soulbound if you have no paired creatures. I agree that the effect is powerful. I love me some flash cards. But granting that ability on a 4 drop is less powerful in green because most of the creatures cost less than that. I hope it does see play though.
But it's not like you stop playing 1-3 cc cards just because you reach 4 lands.
She's definitively going to see some play, how much is what's up in the air.
#3 - Shift Status of Certain Keywords
Flash: Shift from a green/white primary ability to a green/white/blue primary ability. I think this is the one ability that can be supported primary in three colors.
Untargetable: Shift ability from primary green, secondary blue to equal in both (such as first strike in white/red). Both can do plain untargetable but green also gets "untargetable by opponents' spells and abilities" while blue gets activated untargetable and auras that grant it.
This section is what I'll call the "blue still needs help" section. Blue had gained protection, but it still needed more creature keywords. Putting flash in blue made sense as blue had a lot of instant effects that blue creatures wanted as comes into play effects. Also, blue has had a history of making tokens at instant speed as surprise blockers. (Okay they usually went away at end of turn.)
But it's not like you stop playing 1-3 cc cards just because you reach 4 lands.
She's definitively going to see some play, how much is what's up in the air.
That's my point, by the time she hits play, you don't have as many creatures, so her ability isn't as relevant. A 4/4 Flash for 4 is on curve, and the ability helps. I hope she's very good, but I won't get my hopes up.
In reality, blue has more commons with the ability than green does, whether you include multicolor cards or ignore them. Green DOES have more uncommons with Flash than blue. A quick search on magiccards.info suggests that blue has had more cards that grant Flash than green does. (And of course, blue has the best Flash creature ever printed, which doesn't help change the perception.) The sad thing is, most, if not all, of the blue Flash cards have been printed AFTER Mr. Rosewater said that Flash is primary in green. To me, with all the above considered, his statement has simply been false.
This is largely due to Fae. Faeries in Lorwyn were going to be blue's tribe, as they did not really fit in the other colors. When the team designed most (if not all) of the Fae did not have Flash, since blue is the secondary color for Flash, but after development got a hold of them they tacked on flash to lots of the Fae. Development felt that Fae needed something and that flitting in quickly felt like something a faerie should do so they got flash. If you take Fae out of the picture then you see that Green still has the most flash, I believe.
That's my point, by the time she hits play, you don't have as many creatures, so her ability isn't as relevant. A 4/4 Flash for 4 is on curve, and the ability helps. I hope she's very good, but I won't get my hopes up.
I can see some potential in a Fauna Shaman build in Modern, for this very reason. I still think she will be used in Standard, too.
Flashing a werewolf end of turn won't cause the werewolf to flip right? Still kinda neat combat trick.
No, but if you play the Huntmaster on T3 or 4, and then pass your next turn intending to play Yeva sometime on your opponents turn, it'd flip there. Seems like a decent play.
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I hope you're right.
I just don't like the direction Wizards are pushing things.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
If we go back to Ravnica and it's just a bunch of strong creatures with EtB effects,
and a bunch of garbage Instants, Sorceries, and Enchantments
(AKA the current state of Standard, and the exact opposite of RAV 1.0),
I'm seriously going to cry.
I'm so tired of this creatures-only business.
If I wanted to play Pokemon, I would play Pokemon
I mean, seriously... Does anybody else remember when creatureless decks were actually viable?
Funny you make this comment when the U/W miracle block deck that only runs creatures in the board just won Pro Tour Avacyn Restored.
Unless you want to count Entreat the Angels as a "creature card".
Tormod's Crypt is saddening because Spellbomb has kept U/G Splinterfright down for a long time. I was really hoping with it's rotation, that I could finally play my deck. Instead, this new card is even more devastating and more prone to being played in a variety of sideboards.
None of the tier 1 decks care about Tormod's Crypt, but it sure does a good job killing off multiple fun decks.
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Funny you make this comment when the U/W miracle block deck that only runs creatures in the board just won Pro Tour Avacyn Restored.
Unless you want to count Entreat the Angels as a "creature card".
For the purposes of my comment, I *do* consider creature-generating spells like Entreat as creatures,
as they still enable a creature-based strategy,
but it's very cool to hear that largely creatureless Miracles did so well!
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Flash makes sense in green for me because of the ambush factor, predators springing from hiding, etc. It's also tricky, which is blue. White is more tertiary for flash, but it sometimes is appropriate. It did seem for a long time that blue was getting more, or at least better, flash than green. Maybe now green is gaining more ground there again. It helps to add another layer of sophistication to the traditionally regarded "dumb" color.
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Holy crap, you're actually praising an untested card?!
Color me impressed.
I'm fine praising a card that appears to be good. I've basically ragged on two cards on here. One was Vexing Devil, which turns out was terrible, and the other is Jace's Phantasm, which will turn out to be terrible.
I rather like Yeva, which is saying something given my utter disdain for elves as a whole. I feel like making an EDH deck for her that is just akwardly timed flashing of big creatures.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Flash is not only primary in green. It has 3 colors with primary status.
Good point. I didn't realize that was the case. I do believe that blue is supposed to be secondary now, but I'm not sure. Either way, green seemed pretty clearly secondary when it was also supposed to be primary. Nice to see some balance coming back.
This is largely due to Fae. Faeries in Lorwyn were going to be blue's tribe, as they did not really fit in the other colors. When the team designed most (if not all) of the Fae did not have Flash, since blue is the secondary color for Flash, but after development got a hold of them they tacked on flash to lots of the Fae. Development felt that Fae needed something and that flitting in quickly felt like something a faerie should do so they got flash. If you take Fae out of the picture then you see that Green still has the most flash, I believe.
This is true. I don't think it is fair to ignore so many cards because of something Development did, but perhaps it does absolve Mr. Rosewater as an individual.
EDIT: Thanks for the link below, DrWorm. That does explain things somewhat better.
Because giving yourself -1 Card Advantage really helps against a card that gives you +1 Card Advantage. Anyone who would use Tornod against Delver just mulliganned.
Also, Yeva seems pretty meh. Her ability is useful for combat tricks and fighting control but honestly Thrun just seems better.
It's easily possible to make fair Dredge cards withing the current Dredge rules. Darkblast, Nightmare Void, Grave-Shell Scarab, and Life from the Loam are all fair cards that saw play in either Standard or older formats. As long as the cards they print Dredge 3 are not all that helpful to actual Dredge decks then the mechanic itself is 100% balanced.
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I hope you're right.
I just don't like the direction Wizards are pushing things.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
If we go back to Ravnica and it's just a bunch of strong creatures with EtB effects,
and a bunch of garbage Instants, Sorceries, and Enchantments
(AKA the current state of Standard, and the exact opposite of RAV 1.0),
I'm seriously going to cry.
I'm so tired of this creatures-only business.
If I wanted to play Pokemon, I would play Pokemon
I mean, seriously... Does anybody else remember when creatureless decks were actually viable?
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Well, it's really from Mark Rosewater. He keeps saying Flash is primary in green. I asked a question on his tumblr about what it meant for an ability to be primary in a color. He responded here:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/24517149742/what-exactly-do-you-mean-when-you-say-something-like
In reality, blue has more commons with the ability than green does, whether you include multicolor cards or ignore them. Green DOES have more uncommons with Flash than blue. A quick search on magiccards.info suggests that blue has had more cards that grant Flash than green does. (And of course, blue has the best Flash creature ever printed, which doesn't help change the perception.) The sad thing is, most, if not all, of the blue Flash cards have been printed AFTER Mr. Rosewater said that Flash is primary in green. To me, with all the above considered, his statement has simply been false.
Flash makes sense in blue, but the inconsistancy between what Mr. Rosewater claims and what WotC has printed is extremely frustrating. If Flash is not actually going to be primary in green, he should stop saying it is. Yeva goes a long way towards aligning what he says and what they do.
But it's not like you stop playing 1-3 cc cards just because you reach 4 lands.
She's definitively going to see some play, how much is what's up in the air.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr284
Flash is not only primary in green. It has 3 colors with primary status.
That's my point, by the time she hits play, you don't have as many creatures, so her ability isn't as relevant. A 4/4 Flash for 4 is on curve, and the ability helps. I hope she's very good, but I won't get my hopes up.
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I can see some potential in a Fauna Shaman build in Modern, for this very reason. I still think she will be used in Standard, too.
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No, but if you play the Huntmaster on T3 or 4, and then pass your next turn intending to play Yeva sometime on your opponents turn, it'd flip there. Seems like a decent play.
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Yep- like Hexproof, Flash is basically a Bant abilty,
and Haste is a Jund ability.
They pretty much mirror one another,
and Green gets the best deal,
which makes sense with creatures.
Holy crap, you're actually praising an untested card?!
Color me impressed.
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Funny you make this comment when the U/W miracle block deck that only runs creatures in the board just won Pro Tour Avacyn Restored.
Unless you want to count Entreat the Angels as a "creature card".
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He's still right for the most part (PT:AVR aside). WotC seems to be pushing magic into a slugfest of who can turn the most things sideways.
None of the tier 1 decks care about Tormod's Crypt, but it sure does a good job killing off multiple fun decks.
For the purposes of my comment, I *do* consider creature-generating spells like Entreat as creatures,
as they still enable a creature-based strategy,
but it's very cool to hear that largely creatureless Miracles did so well!
Now how long before they nerf Miracles to death?
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I'm fine praising a card that appears to be good. I've basically ragged on two cards on here. One was Vexing Devil, which turns out was terrible, and the other is Jace's Phantasm, which will turn out to be terrible.
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Which was around the time that green starting getting a lot of Flash love. Funny how that works.
If RtR is going to be any like Ravnica, I predict this card seeing play in Simic decks and being flashbacked with Snapcaster.
Good point. I didn't realize that was the case. I do believe that blue is supposed to be secondary now, but I'm not sure. Either way, green seemed pretty clearly secondary when it was also supposed to be primary. Nice to see some balance coming back.
This is true. I don't think it is fair to ignore so many cards because of something Development did, but perhaps it does absolve Mr. Rosewater as an individual.
EDIT: Thanks for the link below, DrWorm. That does explain things somewhat better.