Why is everyone so excited. "Initial Deck Design: Chris Millar" isn't this the guy who designed the last couple of decks that everyone found such a disappointment? Sure the idea is attractive, but with this guy designing them, you need to start predicting the crappiest cards that can fit into it, not the awesome cards.
I trust Chris Millar and Mark Gottlieb to make this much more than just "Precon vs. Precon."
Seems pretty clear that Niv and Jarad will be the deck leaders, and that Jarad will be from RTR. Given how much Niv-Mizzet goes for these days, I'm hoping there aren't too many other chase cards in the decks.
Is there info somewhere to support Niv-Mizzet being the same Card as he once was, I think he will be different No longer the firemind but something else. Overseer or something.
with how much niv mizzet is going for these days? ...he's like $10.
anyway back on topic, i'm more excited for the golgari one, but thats mostly because g/b is my favorite color combination and i play savra in edh... too bad there will probably be no alternate art savra included.
oh, and i wouldn't get your hopes for any of the mythics/rares being from rtr. whats the point in cracking packs if you can get chase mythics/rares from the duel deck, before the set is even released.
oh, and i wouldn't get your hopes for any of the mythics/rares being from rtr. whats the point in cracking packs if you can get chase mythics/rares from the duel deck, before the set is even released.
Why would they mention Jarad in the little announcement blurb over a more well known Golgari leader otherwise?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Time to bring back a 5-year old sig banner. DEDICATION!
Looks so good! (At least until we are disappointed with the final decklists)
That's pretty much what I thought when I saw the announcement. Wizards has been consistently disappointing me despite it seeming like it might not... I hope it lives up to the hype.
I'm guessing Niv will be different in his second coming and Jarad will be put onto a card so we get 2x NEW Mythics for the Duel Deck!
... and the second thing I thought. This probably means there will be no preview in FTV: Realms, as that would be releasing three different mythic foils outside of RTR, including two in a fairly mass-produced set, before the set is released. I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening.
Cards that have almost no chance of being in this:
Dark Confidant
Either Shock Land
I agree about the shock lands; if/when they return, they'll be in boosters. DC, however, is a PERFECT reprint for a Duel Deck: the mythics will probably be unplayable in Constructed, so you need a reprint with juice. A DC reprint in this set puts more copies out there WITHOUT having to have it in Standard for any length of time.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Now playing Transformers: Legends. 27-time top tier finisher and admin of the TFL Wikia site.
That's pretty much what I thought when I saw the announcement. Wizards has been consistently disappointing me despite it seeming like it might not... I hope it lives up to the hype.
... and the second thing I thought. This probably means there will be no preview in FTV: Realms, as that would be releasing three different mythic foils outside of RTR, including two in a fairly mass-produced set, before the set is released. I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening.
I agree about the shock lands; if/when they return, they'll be in boosters. DC, however, is a PERFECT reprint for a Duel Deck: the mythics will probably be unplayable in Constructed, so you need a reprint with juice. A DC reprint in this set puts more copies out there WITHOUT having to have it in Standard for any length of time.
it also ensures that the intended audience for the product never gets to use it.
Again another DD foil I rather have than the original, the only other 2 that I do not like are Elespeth and Tezzeret, the originals have better art, but Elspeth is still pricier...
If they continue using Jarad's name in the promotional material, I have no idea how this won't involve a preview card. The only way I could see it working otherwise would be to have an Urza's Fury sort of situation, and least that card had Urza's name on it.
Also, new Niv-Mizzet art is RAWR! I think the original is better, but that's just because it ranks up in my top twenty Magic art of all time, and the new art is still pretty awesome.
BUT DEAR GOD THIS SET MAKES ME SO HAPPY AND JITTERY
RETURN TO RAVNICA IS GONNA BE BAWSS
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
The wedding is over. Now it's time for the honeymoon.
it could be Niv-Mizzet's new card (most likely Legendary Creature rather than planeswalker). Would be a little strange to give the old Niv with RTR coming around. That said, he ascended to PW status didn't he? So that could also account for them giving his old card, which I do so want so badly
I, for one, am absolutely thrilled for this! I dont really care at this point if what the decklists look like - sure, I want them to have awesome stuff, but right now all I can think of is getting my hands on a nice, foiled, alt-art copy of Niv-Mizzet, my favorite card in the game.
*embarrassing fanboy squeal initiated*
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Someday, I will own all of the dragons. All of them. 43/111, approximately 39% complete. Over a third done.
(calling it now; there will be a cycle of Legendary dual lands with Basic Land types in Theros block)
... AAAAAAAAND I was wrong
it could be Niv-Mizzet's new card (most likely Legendary Creature rather than planeswalker). Would be a little strange to give the old Niv with RTR coming around. That said, he ascended to PW status didn't he? So that could also account for them giving his old card, which I do so want so badly
In any case, extremely excited for this one
He did not ascend, and there is no evidence to indicate he did other than him being very intelligent and associating with Jace.
Hopefully, he doesn't become a Planeswalker; I prefer my favorite Dragon parun to be a creature I can hit people with.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
The wedding is over. Now it's time for the honeymoon.
This could be WotC's plan to "reprint" the shock lands. 5 duel decks with 2 in each. That way they answer player's demands, don't mess with standard, and get everyone to pay $20 a pop! I sure hope this isn't true, but I'm not ruling it out...
Interesting that they went with Izzet vs. Golgari instead of Izzet vs. Selesnya. The Izzet clearly hated the Selesnya Conclave, as evidence in cards like Seed Spark and Electrolyze (look who's getting fried).
I never noticed that before! Thanks for making me like that card even more.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"In the beginning, MTG Salvation switched to a new forum format.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
It was at that moment that I realized: I'm kinda just making these things up. We can just write the rules the way we want them to work. People will have fun, and people will get it.
^^Okay, that is pretty dumb, but I'll forgive anything on precon deck packaging. At least it isn't as stupid as the advertising for the Pulverize deck from Scourge.
I, for one, am absolutely thrilled for this! I dont really care at this point if what the decklists look like - sure, I want them to have awesome stuff, but right now all I can think of is getting my hands on a nice, foiled, alt-art copy of Niv-Mizzet, my favorite card in the game.
I remember seeing the previews for the Izzet for the first time and going "OHMAIGOSH It's Red and Blue together! Incinerate AND Mana Leak!" Before Ravnica, I thought Red and Blue was just fire and ice, or lightning; then came the mad scientists, and the Izzet became one of my favorite guilds. Because nobody else takes extra turns on coin flips!:D
It's the same with the Golgari. Before Ravnica, I never thought of Green and Black appearing on one card. Then came those creepy zombies, and I bought a Golgari precon, and Golgari Gravetroll became one of my favorite cards, and, and, and...
*Hyperventilates*
Oh yeah, you know what was awesome about the Ravnica theme decks? Each one had a Ravnican legend in it, so you had a cool storyline character to go along with whatever other awesome card was in it. AND NOW THE DUEL DECKS ARE FOLLOWING THE TRADITION OF A LEGENDARY CREATURE IN EACH ONE SO AWESOME!!!!
Sorry, I just get so EXCITED BY RAVNICASTUFFBECAUSERAVNICAISAWESOME!!!@!!!eajeg;oaw;ehg;qlgl;geah
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
The wedding is over. Now it's time for the honeymoon.
Please let this mean the whole "All the guilds are gone" nonsense is getting retconned.
PLEASE.
And Bolas didn't make a power play off of Alara's recombination and fail.
And the Eldrazi weren't sealed and subsequently freed from the Eye of Ugin.
And Phyrexia didn't take over Mirrodin.
And Avacyn wasn't sealed and subsequently freed from the Helvault.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Time to bring back a 5-year old sig banner. DEDICATION!
There's just so many flavor whackiness in this article that I don't know what to post here.... Niv digging the undercity (since when? and why?)? Jarad is a lich lord (okay, she succeeded Savra, but hey...)?
And if this DD mentions Jarad, does it mean there will be Jarad card?
Izzet vs. Golgari? Not exactly the most obvious matchup. Izzet vs. Selesnya makes more sense from a pie perspective, though a token-heavy deck actually is a bad idea for a Duel Deck I suppose. These two are just popular guilds that don't share any colors, then? And they should have plenty of support from ISD block, too, for people who want to modify them. They have contrasting playstyles so that's fine too. Eh. Still doesn't feel that right to me.
There's just so many flavor whackiness in this article that I don't know what to post here.... Niv digging the undercity (since when? and why?)? Jarad is a lich lord (okay, she succeeded Savra, but hey...)?
And if this DD mentions Jarad, does it mean there will be Jarad card?
Jarad turned himself into a zombie (lich, I guess) near the end of the Dissention novel to keep himself from dying.
It's weird they mention Jarad without there being a Jarad card. Unless one is being printed in RTR and it's being released early in this Duel Deck? That would be pretty unprecedented. We've had preview cards in duel decks but presumably he would be the mythic for the Golgari deck, as opposed to one of the other cards in the deck as the other pre-prints have been. If that's true, maybe the Niv-Mizzet card is a new version instead of the one from Guildpact.
This could be WotC's plan to "reprint" the shock lands. 5 duel decks with 2 in each. That way they answer player's demands, don't mess with standard, and get everyone to pay $20 a pop! I sure hope this isn't true, but I'm not ruling it out...
A terrible idea. Consider that Duel Decks are made with a casual market in mind. Putting shocklands in them would mean that they would largely get snapped up by people who just want the expensive duals, making it much more difficult for the people who actually want to play with the decks to get their hands on them. They'd sell plenty of product but if they really were interested in just getting the things sold without regard for who's buying them, they would have started doing that sort of thing long ago. No, they're actually concerned with making sure that these specialty products are mostly going to the people who are actually going to play with them and not treat them like an investment.
So, Wizards officially decided to ignore the "guilds have dissolved" information from Agents of Artifice. Oh well, that's just the last straw for the storylinists. But heck, I do not even bother anymore.
On the other hand, they remember Jarad! Perfect. That guy really deserved a card back in the Ravnica block. Mayber there is a chance for other important characters from the books, like Pierakor (Feather, the new Boros guildmaster), Crixizix, or maybe even Fonn or Biracazir.
Since there is Niv-Mizzet depicted, I frankly hope that he is the Izzet mythic rare, and that Jarad will be the other one.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
100% Vorthos Spike and Storyline Expert
Former Fact Prospector of the Greek Alliance.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
>>Banner by Spanglegluppet<<
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Is there info somewhere to support Niv-Mizzet being the same Card as he once was, I think he will be different No longer the firemind but something else. Overseer or something.
anyway back on topic, i'm more excited for the golgari one, but thats mostly because g/b is my favorite color combination and i play savra in edh... too bad there will probably be no alternate art savra included.
oh, and i wouldn't get your hopes for any of the mythics/rares being from rtr. whats the point in cracking packs if you can get chase mythics/rares from the duel deck, before the set is even released.
Why would they mention Jarad in the little announcement blurb over a more well known Golgari leader otherwise?
Time to bring back a 5-year old sig banner. DEDICATION!
Currently Playing:
=Legacy=
RUUG Delver
=Modern=
BRRG LOAM
=EDH=
BGGR Karrthus
RRRX Norin
UUWW Bruna
BBBB Skithiryx
... and the second thing I thought. This probably means there will be no preview in FTV: Realms, as that would be releasing three different mythic foils outside of RTR, including two in a fairly mass-produced set, before the set is released. I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening.
I agree about the shock lands; if/when they return, they'll be in boosters. DC, however, is a PERFECT reprint for a Duel Deck: the mythics will probably be unplayable in Constructed, so you need a reprint with juice. A DC reprint in this set puts more copies out there WITHOUT having to have it in Standard for any length of time.
The MirroCube - 420 card Mirrodin themed cube
And if I've offended you, I'm sorry, but maybe you need to be offended. But here's my apology and one more thing...
I really can't wait! :3
it also ensures that the intended audience for the product never gets to use it.
Again another DD foil I rather have than the original, the only other 2 that I do not like are Elespeth and Tezzeret, the originals have better art, but Elspeth is still pricier...
The product is unlimited print run, so it really doesn't.
Theoretically speaking, Tarmogoyf could be in as well, since it is actually agreeably Golgari-ish.
I don't think that will happen, but just saying :cool:.
Also, new Niv-Mizzet art is RAWR! I think the original is better, but that's just because it ranks up in my top twenty Magic art of all time, and the new art is still pretty awesome.
BUT DEAR GOD THIS SET MAKES ME SO HAPPY AND JITTERY
RETURN TO RAVNICA IS GONNA BE BAWSS
Thanks to Rivenor of Miraculous Recovery Signatures!
In any case, extremely excited for this one
*embarrassing fanboy squeal initiated*
43/111, approximately 39% complete. Over a third done.
(calling it now; there will be a cycle of Legendary dual lands with Basic Land types in Theros block)
... AAAAAAAAND I was wrong
The Attention Deficit Guy URGU
Hopefully, he doesn't become a Planeswalker; I prefer my favorite Dragon parun to be a creature I can hit people with.
Thanks to Rivenor of Miraculous Recovery Signatures!
This could be WotC's plan to "reprint" the shock lands. 5 duel decks with 2 in each. That way they answer player's demands, don't mess with standard, and get everyone to pay $20 a pop! I sure hope this isn't true, but I'm not ruling it out...
I never noticed that before! Thanks for making me like that card even more.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Comic Book Set
Archester: Frontier of Steam (A steampunk set!)
A Good Place to Start Designing
dumbest line of text written yet? you decide
The only thing that could have made it better was if it was Ghost Council of Orzhova instead, since he was my real favorite Ravnica legend. But Niv-Mizzet is up there at #2, tied with Ulasht, the Hate Seed and Experiment Kraj.
*joins in squealing*
I remember seeing the previews for the Izzet for the first time and going "OHMAIGOSH It's Red and Blue together! Incinerate AND Mana Leak!" Before Ravnica, I thought Red and Blue was just fire and ice, or lightning; then came the mad scientists, and the Izzet became one of my favorite guilds. Because nobody else takes extra turns on coin flips!:D
It's the same with the Golgari. Before Ravnica, I never thought of Green and Black appearing on one card. Then came those creepy zombies, and I bought a Golgari precon, and Golgari Gravetroll became one of my favorite cards, and, and, and...
*Hyperventilates*
Oh yeah, you know what was awesome about the Ravnica theme decks? Each one had a Ravnican legend in it, so you had a cool storyline character to go along with whatever other awesome card was in it. AND NOW THE DUEL DECKS ARE FOLLOWING THE TRADITION OF A LEGENDARY CREATURE IN EACH ONE SO AWESOME!!!!
Sorry, I just get so EXCITED BY RAVNICASTUFFBECAUSERAVNICAISAWESOME!!!@!!!eajeg;oaw;ehg;qlgl;geah
Thanks to Rivenor of Miraculous Recovery Signatures!
PLEASE.
And Bolas didn't make a power play off of Alara's recombination and fail.
And the Eldrazi weren't sealed and subsequently freed from the Eye of Ugin.
And Phyrexia didn't take over Mirrodin.
And Avacyn wasn't sealed and subsequently freed from the Helvault.
Time to bring back a 5-year old sig banner. DEDICATION!
Currently Playing:
=Legacy=
RUUG Delver
=Modern=
BRRG LOAM
=EDH=
BGGR Karrthus
RRRX Norin
UUWW Bruna
BBBB Skithiryx
There's just so many flavor whackiness in this article that I don't know what to post here.... Niv digging the undercity (since when? and why?)? Jarad is a lich lord (okay, she succeeded Savra, but hey...)?
And if this DD mentions Jarad, does it mean there will be Jarad card?
Jarad turned himself into a zombie (lich, I guess) near the end of the Dissention novel to keep himself from dying.
It's weird they mention Jarad without there being a Jarad card. Unless one is being printed in RTR and it's being released early in this Duel Deck? That would be pretty unprecedented. We've had preview cards in duel decks but presumably he would be the mythic for the Golgari deck, as opposed to one of the other cards in the deck as the other pre-prints have been. If that's true, maybe the Niv-Mizzet card is a new version instead of the one from Guildpact.
A terrible idea. Consider that Duel Decks are made with a casual market in mind. Putting shocklands in them would mean that they would largely get snapped up by people who just want the expensive duals, making it much more difficult for the people who actually want to play with the decks to get their hands on them. They'd sell plenty of product but if they really were interested in just getting the things sold without regard for who's buying them, they would have started doing that sort of thing long ago. No, they're actually concerned with making sure that these specialty products are mostly going to the people who are actually going to play with them and not treat them like an investment.
R Citizen Cane (Feldon of the Third Path)
So, Wizards officially decided to ignore the "guilds have dissolved" information from Agents of Artifice. Oh well, that's just the last straw for the storylinists. But heck, I do not even bother anymore.
On the other hand, they remember Jarad! Perfect. That guy really deserved a card back in the Ravnica block. Mayber there is a chance for other important characters from the books, like Pierakor (Feather, the new Boros guildmaster), Crixizix, or maybe even Fonn or Biracazir.
Since there is Niv-Mizzet depicted, I frankly hope that he is the Izzet mythic rare, and that Jarad will be the other one.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)