Splitting chase cards into 3 sets seem cool and all for business-minded people, but I doubt spreading land bases makes for a "fair" showing for the other pairings.
Given that Golgari is still playable even without the extra dual land, it hurts Izzet alot, considering that color fixing is so important for that pairing.
We've heard talk about standard being the most diverse in recent years, but I don't really see it once the true tier decks start winning with each GP result. The mono-devotion decks will no doubt continue to dominate standard for a very long time.
Plenty of reasons have been brought up on this page alone
excuse me, i meant no GOOD reason. i heard that jazz about the innistrad lands like grim backwoods (which was by far the most plausible explanation), but those lands arent duals. id like to hear a good explanation for a 3-2 split because it doesnt really make any sense to me, especially from a limited perspective. unless the set is skewed toward certain colors like torment, which i highly doubt.
so until this is officially confirmed by wotc, i think i am entitled to disagree with a 3-2 split
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I heard from somewhere here (not confirmed) that BNG will have more rare slots than a usual small set (don't know the exact number). If that is true then don't you think they did that so they could have all five in the same set?
I heard from somewhere here (not confirmed) that BNG will have more rare slots than a usual small set (don't know the exact number). If that is true then don't you think they did that so they could have all five in the same set?
As far as I know, there's only 10 extra cards. I don't think those translate to rares.
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Esper is going to be the BOMB after this! Turn one scry, turn two scry, turn three scry, turn four VERDICT! My friends all play creature-based decks and hitting a verdict 9 times out of ten will really show them who's boss
That would be accurate if describing the realm of "Official" Spoilers. This is not directly from WOTC (or any of the multitude of sites across the world that receive official spoilers) and therefore would not fall into that category.
All I was asking was if the "Oracle" had more to divine, or if she used up all of her mystic capabilities pulling this information for us. I've been around the block a while, and was once a rumor mill mod, I know how spoiler season works
Ever since the godbook for NPH got spoiled, we have been getting less and less "Oracles" giving us information early and if we do get them it is in riddles or something vague as hell. Trying to shake them out for more information this early is just futile. Pretty much gotta view these Oracle divinations as candy canes in your stockings. Thought was nice but it won't fill you up.
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To the people that say that a card needs to be a higher rarity because of Limited... I hate you guys so much. I present to you with this.
I heard from somewhere here (not confirmed) that BNG will have more rare slots than a usual small set (don't know the exact number). If that is true then don't you think they did that so they could have all five in the same set?
It has 20 extra cards. Since we have no reason to believe any of them are basic lands, or anything new and weird like double-faced cards, most likely they're uncommons. Let's look at sets since Alara that had an unusual number of cards:
Rise of the Eldrazi -- missing a common.
Mirrodin Besieged -- included 10 basic lands.
New Phyrexia -- had 20 extra uncommons (and included 10 basic lands).
Innistrad, Dark Ascension -- had extra cards of all rarities due to double-faced cards (also, Innistrad was missing 5 basic lands due to DFCs)
Avacyn Restored -- missing 5 basic lands (to match up with Innistrad)
Return to Ravnica -- had 20 extra uncommons (and 5 extra basic lands)
Gatecrash -- had 20 extra uncommons (and didn't include 25 basic lands due to them being in RTR)
Dragon's Maze -- due to the rejiggering of the land slot, had 10 extra commons and 1 extra mythic
So it seems that in the recent past, when there's been extra cards for no apparent reason (other than "they needed a bit more space"), it's consisted of 20 extra uncommons. So that's probably what's happening here.
There's also no space for "extra" cards on the Rare or Common sheet since they're at 80 cards already. (And thus are essentially printing three sets over two sheets.) The only places to add extra cards are either at Uncommon or on a 4th print sheet. (ala DKA)
There's also no space for "extra" cards on the Rare or Common sheet since they're at 80 cards already. (And thus are essentially printing three sets over two sheets.) The only places to add extra cards are either at Uncommon or on a 4th print sheet. (ala DKA)
This, unless they did something unprecedented (since 5th edition IIRC) like taking the common sheet up to 121 cards.
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excuse me, i meant no GOOD reason. i heard that jazz about the innistrad lands like grim backwoods (which was by far the most plausible explanation), but those lands arent duals. id like to hear a good explanation for a 3-2 split because it doesnt really make any sense to me, especially from a limited perspective. unless the set is skewed toward certain colors like torment, which i highly doubt.
so until this is officially confirmed by wotc, i think i am entitled to disagree with a 3-2 split
It means either
A: There is a skew and the lands where needed in this set to support it
or
B: No skew. No need for lands to be placed in any particular order.
Im going with B because we just finished a block that focused on two color pairings. Theros isn't about that. The two color stuff were getting is just to supplement that.
If you had bothered to read the thread so far, seriously the post I quoted this from was on page 4, Tackman put the link up on page 3 post 33 of this very thread.
Sam Stoddard works for Wizards. Future Future League tester with Erik Lauer on Theros. Revealed Theros scrylands in an article on the Wizards site. Then ends it with 'This left us with five more for the rest of the block. What will the order be for their release? You'll have to wait and see.'
If they didn't want us to know they were getting split marketing wouldn't have cleared him to say it. It was officially confirmed back in September 6.
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WOut of the ground,I rise to grace...W BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
It means either
A: There is a skew and the lands where needed in this set to support it
or
B: No skew. No need for lands to be placed in any particular order.
Im going with B because we just finished a block that focused on two color pairings. Theros isn't about that. The two color stuff were getting is just to supplement that.
If you had bothered to read the thread so far, seriously the post I quoted this from was on page 4, Tackman put the link up on page 3 post 33 of this very thread.
Sam Stoddard works for Wizards. Future Future League tester with Erik Lauer on Theros. Revealed Theros scrylands in an article on the Wizards site. Then ends it with 'This left us with five more for the rest of the block. What will the order be for their release? You'll have to wait and see.'
If they didn't want us to know they were getting split marketing wouldn't have cleared him to say it. It was officially confirmed back in September 6.
Incorrect.
It was officially left open for speculation back in September 6.
It was officially left open for speculation back in September 6.
I'm extremely baffled at how you cant understand non-vauge point blank confirmation of such from the mothership.
I'd humbly await you bumping this thread with a 'See I was correct.' but you'll apparently be too disappointed about how Sam Stoddard/Wizards was misleading you into thinking all five would be in BNG.
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WOut of the ground,I rise to grace...W BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
I'm extremely baffled at how you cant understand non-vauge point blank confirmation of such from the mothership.
I'd humbly await you bumping this thread with a 'See I was correct.' but you'll apparently be too disappointed about how Sam Stoddard/Wizards was misleading you into thinking all five would be in BNG.
You're implying I actually care. I don't. At first I thought they were going to put all 5 in BNG. Then more facts were discussed, and I can easily see them splitting them.
All I'm arguing is that the language is vague. It is. It is by definition vague language. It is not clear.
You're likely correct. Congratulations in advance. But that doesn't mean that the language is clear as of this moment.
It's better to have more cards than not in a set. Just hope it won't be fillers. Look at DGM and you'll see. So many Cluestones in one stupid pack! I saw a record 4 different Cluestones in one pack and that made me ill. Terrible set IMO.
Esper is going to be the BOMB after this! Turn one scry, turn two scry, turn three scry, turn four VERDICT! My friends all play creature-based decks and hitting a verdict 9 times out of ten will really show them who's boss
but in a way doesnt it make it predictable? at that point you can use thing that make indestructible like boros charm or legion initiate to protect your creature.
but in a way doesnt it make it predictable? at that point you can use thing that make indestructible like boros charm or legion initiate to protect your creature.
tapped land =P cant tougthseize on 1 leaving only theroicaly the possibility of doing 3 discard.
When setting up a Verdict, Thoughtseize isn't a T1 play, it's a T3 play. This gives you the best chance of them having their post-Verdict play, or their answer to Verdict, in-hand.
What Esper really needs, though, isn't so much the additional scry lands, it's a stronger stabilizing card in the early game like Disciple of Bolas or (going way back) Court Hussar.
The first RTR previews are and cards.
RTR is spoiled, revealing :azorius:, :selesnya:, and cards.
The first spoilers of GTC were a card from each guild (almost) all at once, revealing :simic:, :boros:, :orzhov:, :dimir:, and cards.
Fast-forward to THS.
THS is spoiled revealing the :gruul:, :dimir:, :orzhov:, :boros:, and duals.
BNG spoilers begin and we get hints at :rakdos:, :selesnya:, and duals.
By process of elimination, that leaves the JOU duals to be and :izzet:.
Not that it really matters that much, but it looks like they're just going backwards compared to RTR block, which is interesting.
Praying for a Fulminator Mage reprint. Bramblecrush ain't cutting it.
excuse me, i meant no GOOD reason. i heard that jazz about the innistrad lands like grim backwoods (which was by far the most plausible explanation), but those lands arent duals. id like to hear a good explanation for a 3-2 split because it doesnt really make any sense to me, especially from a limited perspective. unless the set is skewed toward certain colors like torment, which i highly doubt.
so until this is officially confirmed by wotc, i think i am entitled to disagree with a 3-2 split
Oh yeah, that sounds like a *great* idea
("rolleyes" with colons instead of quotes)
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Maaaaaaaybe...
As far as I know, there's only 10 extra cards. I don't think those translate to rares.
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Ever since the godbook for NPH got spoiled, we have been getting less and less "Oracles" giving us information early and if we do get them it is in riddles or something vague as hell. Trying to shake them out for more information this early is just futile. Pretty much gotta view these Oracle divinations as candy canes in your stockings. Thought was nice but it won't fill you up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8h2vp5Xis
It has 20 extra cards. Since we have no reason to believe any of them are basic lands, or anything new and weird like double-faced cards, most likely they're uncommons. Let's look at sets since Alara that had an unusual number of cards:
Rise of the Eldrazi -- missing a common.
Mirrodin Besieged -- included 10 basic lands.
New Phyrexia -- had 20 extra uncommons (and included 10 basic lands).
Innistrad, Dark Ascension -- had extra cards of all rarities due to double-faced cards (also, Innistrad was missing 5 basic lands due to DFCs)
Avacyn Restored -- missing 5 basic lands (to match up with Innistrad)
Return to Ravnica -- had 20 extra uncommons (and 5 extra basic lands)
Gatecrash -- had 20 extra uncommons (and didn't include 25 basic lands due to them being in RTR)
Dragon's Maze -- due to the rejiggering of the land slot, had 10 extra commons and 1 extra mythic
So it seems that in the recent past, when there's been extra cards for no apparent reason (other than "they needed a bit more space"), it's consisted of 20 extra uncommons. So that's probably what's happening here.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
This, unless they did something unprecedented (since 5th edition IIRC) like taking the common sheet up to 121 cards.
It means either
A: There is a skew and the lands where needed in this set to support it
or
B: No skew. No need for lands to be placed in any particular order.
Im going with B because we just finished a block that focused on two color pairings. Theros isn't about that. The two color stuff were getting is just to supplement that.
If you had bothered to read the thread so far, seriously the post I quoted this from was on page 4, Tackman put the link up on page 3 post 33 of this very thread.
Sam Stoddard works for Wizards. Future Future League tester with Erik Lauer on Theros. Revealed Theros scrylands in an article on the Wizards site. Then ends it with 'This left us with five more for the rest of the block. What will the order be for their release? You'll have to wait and see.'
If they didn't want us to know they were getting split marketing wouldn't have cleared him to say it. It was officially confirmed back in September 6.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
Incorrect.
It was officially left open for speculation back in September 6.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
I'm extremely baffled at how you cant understand non-vauge point blank confirmation of such from the mothership.
I'd humbly await you bumping this thread with a 'See I was correct.' but you'll apparently be too disappointed about how Sam Stoddard/Wizards was misleading you into thinking all five would be in BNG.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
You're implying I actually care. I don't. At first I thought they were going to put all 5 in BNG. Then more facts were discussed, and I can easily see them splitting them.
All I'm arguing is that the language is vague. It is. It is by definition vague language. It is not clear.
You're likely correct. Congratulations in advance. But that doesn't mean that the language is clear as of this moment.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Oh so now we're calling them "goddesses"?
Nylea and Thassa were always goddesses of the hunt and sea respectively, but for templating purposes, the cards would say God anyway.
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but in a way doesnt it make it predictable? at that point you can use thing that make indestructible like boros charm or legion initiate to protect your creature.
There's always thoughtseize and duress
No, but it also doesn't confirm them. We just don't know any more until more information is given out.
tapped land =P cant tougthseize on 1 leaving only theroicaly the possibility of doing 3 discard.
When setting up a Verdict, Thoughtseize isn't a T1 play, it's a T3 play. This gives you the best chance of them having their post-Verdict play, or their answer to Verdict, in-hand.
What Esper really needs, though, isn't so much the additional scry lands, it's a stronger stabilizing card in the early game like Disciple of Bolas or (going way back) Court Hussar.
The first RTR previews are and cards.
RTR is spoiled, revealing :azorius:, :selesnya:, and cards.
The first spoilers of GTC were a card from each guild (almost) all at once, revealing :simic:, :boros:, :orzhov:, :dimir:, and cards.
Fast-forward to THS.
THS is spoiled revealing the :gruul:, :dimir:, :orzhov:, :boros:, and duals.
BNG spoilers begin and we get hints at :rakdos:, :selesnya:, and duals.
By process of elimination, that leaves the JOU duals to be and :izzet:.
Not that it really matters that much, but it looks like they're just going backwards compared to RTR block, which is interesting.