I think this goes along with what other people are saying. If the actual cards are only worth $75, then it is cheaper to just individually get the cards you are looking for. If the actual cards are worth more than $75, then card shops will simply increase the price to possibly $100 or even $150. Either way, this deck will be a dud.
Extremely disappointed it doesn't contain a goyf. How much are they gonna wait with goyfs at 170$/100$ on magic online?!?!?
They think it's OK for goyf to cost this much?!?!
Is it even good for the nonPT/GP metagame when a bunch of people that would be playing decks with goyfs won't because they can't afford them, affecting the whole metagame (they will play storm or some other cheap deck instead)?!?!?!
Stupidity 1 - 0 Wizard's retarted marketing team.
Extremely disappointed it doesn't contain a goyf. How much are they gonna wait with goyfs at 170$/100$ on magic online?!?!?
They think it's OK for goyf to cost this much?!?!
Is it even good for the nonPT/GP metagame when a bunch of people that would be playing decks with goyfs won't because they can't afford them, affecting the whole metagame (they will play storm or some other cheap deck instead)?!?!?!
Stupidity 1 - 0 Wizard's retarted marketing team.
Wizards care more about speculators than actual players. People who bought tons of cards for either collections, or they want to sell them at a higher price, will be very unhappy if whatever cards they have get mass reprinted. This is why Wizards was so conservative with the Modern Masters print, which actually INCREASED the price of goyf, due to the alternate art, increase to mythic rarity, and increased demand for the Modern format. The people who say otherwise are fooling themselves. Unfortunately, unless there is not much to be done, as Wizards care more about $$$$$$$$$$ and making the speculators happy than anything else. So unless there is a mass exodus of players or the counterfeits become very good, Wizards doesn't care about players' frustrations about card prices.
Extremely disappointed it doesn't contain a goyf. How much are they gonna wait with goyfs at 170$/100$ on magic online?!?!?
They think it's OK for goyf to cost this much?!?!
Is it even good for the nonPT/GP metagame when a bunch of people that would be playing decks with goyfs won't because they can't afford them, affecting the whole metagame (they will play storm or some other cheap deck instead)?!?!?!
Stupidity 1 - 0 Wizard's retarted marketing team.
Wizards care more about speculators than actual players. People who bought tons of cards for either collections, or they want to sell them at a higher price, will be very unhappy if whatever cards they have get mass reprinted. This is why Wizards was so conservative with the Modern Masters print, which actually INCREASED the price of goyf, due to the alternate art, increase to mythic rarity, and increased demand for the Modern format. The people who say otherwise are fooling themselves. Unfortunately, unless there is not much to be done, as Wizards care more about $$$$$$$$$$ and making the speculators happy than anything else. So unless there is a mass exodus of players or the counterfeits become very good, Wizards doesn't care about players' frustrations about card prices.
Actually if you come to alot of stores and you ask if a player cares about cards price on trade or even they collection's price the very majority will say they care...
Its hard to wizards to make a hight choice. Would you easily say *#*$*$ to those players that saw bob,goyf,clique rising in price and imediately got them in trade or bought them just to have good "trade material". Or &*$**$&% this kido that played while a kid and now is tring to start again to play but now be competive cause he ( luck) has 1 off or 2 of said stample that he wants to trade. ? or any other people that you think is using magic to gain money ( even your LGS owner that got some nice cards to sell or to become a prize//// or any other "honest" people over there)
The thing is Wizards can't just say " Let's **** secondary market , BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!!!!" it would **** soo much stores and other people and al...
Yes i would be happy if they maked a Modern Event decck with Goyf but you know what? The majority of players wouldn't have a chance to get one ( cause you know ... scalpers)
If they did the hight choice would be: make a deck with one Goyf and alot of not soo pricey cards ( noo shocks , no fetches ) ( unless they make a HUGEEEEE print)...
Maybe they could do a Mono G domain deck ( with cards like nylea's presence and others cheap cards as well ) ( add some Avoid Fate , Guttural Response, Ouphe Vandals.....) Maybe GU with domain subtheme
but then people would complain....
Its not easy. Just saying they are wrong is stupidy. They are working not just plaing . They had Magic going for over 20 years and plan to stay printing it. They know what they are doing and what moves are safe and what is not.
Perhaps putting goyf in a Modern event deck might not be the best move. I am thinking more along the lines of putting goyf in another Standard block. Also, if you look at my post you quoted, I didn't even say half of that stuff in your post, but I don't want to continue to debate on this so let's just agree to disagree.
Perhaps putting goyf in a Modern event deck might not be the best move. I am thinking more along the lines of putting goyf in another Standard block. Also, if you look at my post you quoted, I didn't even say half of that stuff in your post, but I don't want to continue to debate on this so let's just agree to disagree.
I was just getting the boost from your post and the post before yours ( that is quoted as well) I m sorry if by any maner i mmaked you feel bad or other way , it was not my intention.
Perhaps putting goyf in a Modern event deck might not be the best move. I am thinking more along the lines of putting goyf in another Standard block. Also, if you look at my post you quoted, I didn't even say half of that stuff in your post, but I don't want to continue to debate on this so let's just agree to disagree.
I was just getting the boost from your post and the post before yours ( that is quoted as well) I m sorry if by any maner i mmaked you feel bad or other way , it was not my intention.
Wow, this seems like it'll be terrible for $75. Maybe they'll toss in Leyline of Sanctity and Linvala.
That is what I, along with other people have been saying. If the cards in there are not worth the $75 price tag, then people will just not buy it. But if the cards in there are worth more than the $75 price tag, then card shops will just charge an outrageous price for this product. Either way, it's a lose-lose for players.
Wizards' strategy with event decks in the past has been to try making a tier 2 or 3 deck which doesn't feature the format's chase cards, so that the product can go to folks actually trying to enter the format. I think that ideally, the list would be entirely composed of cards that aren't particularly sought-after, but which can still be powerful in the right build.
You aren't going to see Tarmogoyfs, and you aren't going to see a GP-winning list; you're going to see a decklist that won't perform hugely well in a tournament, but one which might suffer a softer fate than a raw stack of 75 put together by a newbie.
tl;dr: The Modern Event Deck is a jumping-off point, not a source of cheap format staples. If you're already playing Modern, you're not in Wizards' target audience.
it will probably have 1 marsh flats, as it is the cheapest fetchland and won't hurt anyone, but only help players get into the format. plus it would help justify the $75 price. the deck also includes a box and sleeves, which are cool. there obviously will be a good amount of playable rares, commons, and uncommons. i'm sure the overall value will be $100 or so. probably no bitterblossom.
modern as a whole has become way too expensive for new players. it's falling into the legacy category- only really rich players can afford to play, which is the exact opposite of most magic players (usually magic players play games instead of work).
wotc's best hope to boost modern is to reprint fetches in standard, and make cards that fit into better strategies then needing to play goyf and bob.
i also feel that modern is becoming a broken format due to combo decks, which isn't fun (losing to splinter twin, scapeshift, storm, ad nauseam, etc.) i wonder if there will be a massive update to the banned list. consider what is happening in the format now, it makes cards like JTMS, stoneforge, bloodbraid, and deathrite shaman look like do-nothings.
Am I the only one who doesn't think it'll matter what's in the deck? It's $75 and they won't pump too many valuable cards into it, so even if it does contain a bitterblossom I doubt these will fly off the shelves. If I had to guess, I'd say it'll have one Marsh Flats as the money card, as has already been stated BB makes no sense with honor of the pure.
Prepare to be surprised. Even if all it has in the way of value is what you described, they'd fly off the shelves.
What you are most likely going to see are huge markups and lack of availability. Expect NOT to be able to buy one at $75.
I get a bit annoyed with these decks because they often are not good jumping off points to begin with.
Just using the speculated fetch as an example here but let's agree Marsh flats is a 4 of in B/W tokens and basically required for tourney play.
If a player who has only played for like a year wants to get into modern with B/W tokens and this deck contains 4 marsh flats, then there is no way they will get this for MSRP at all, and then will most likely still have to buy Brimaz and some other stuff. There is not much wiggle room between what 4 Marsh flats would cost as singles vs this deck so if the deck suddenly goes up to 150 each, then you may be getting a little more for your buck but not much. A few cheaper, widely accessible mythics and what most would consider the starts of a sub tier one deck.
If this deck only has 2, then they still have to buy 2 of these decks. The price will still likely get jacked up and scarcity will prevent some people from getting them (there may be new art stuff to, who knows.) That player will likely still have to get brimaz and the like as well.
Of this deck only has 1, then it compounds the problem as if it had 2. It staying at MSRP in this case is far more likely but the actual value to players is not there and they likely will not buy 4.
If it has 0 Marsh flats then it is all but useless to players because no matter how many they buy they are not going to be a competitive player in the format.
Non random reprint product will simply always have this problem. Retailers are not going to undercut their own singles sales to adhere to MSRP.
Reasing through this thread, it got me thinking.. honestly, if they print any big staple cards in here (even just one Marshflats) then it'd be bad for players regardless, as hoarders will buy EVERYTHING, cutting the product off from players who just want to play the deck, and then increasing the prices yet again because availability becomes shot. I mean, look at what happened with True-name Nemesis. it's cool they threw Legacy a bone but at what cost? (honestly i wish shops could just take TNN out and sell the deck by itself for msrp) Standard reprints would be iffy too. Thoughtseize is jsut as good in standard as it is in modern, and maybe new art is a factor but it's still 20-30 bucks a pop. Stuff like fetchlands and goyf in standard would probably result the same way, new art or not--hoarders/rich people will buy as much as they can, limiting availability to other players (other than those lucky enough to pull them in boosters), and keeping prices up, blah blah blah. In fact, I think reprinting staples in standard will only increase the barrier of entry in standard, which might be a bad move for everyone
Wizards' strategy with event decks in the past has been to try making a tier 2 or 3 deck which doesn't feature the format's chase cards, so that the product can go to folks actually trying to enter the format. I think that ideally, the list would be entirely composed of cards that aren't particularly sought-after, but which can still be powerful in the right build.
You aren't going to see Tarmogoyfs, and you aren't going to see a GP-winning list; you're going to see a decklist that won't perform hugely well in a tournament, but one which might suffer a softer fate than a raw stack of 75 put together by a newbie.
tl;dr: The Modern Event Deck is a jumping-off point, not a source of cheap format staples. If you're already playing Modern, you're not in Wizards' target audience.
Even so, if this deck includes enough good cards as Elspeth, Hero of Bladehold, and perhaps a few Thoughtseizes, Path to Exile, and Bitterblossom, do you think new players will buy this when card stores will charge $150 for this product?
it will probably have 1 marsh flats, as it is the cheapest fetchland and won't hurt anyone, but only help players get into the format. plus it would help justify the $75 price. the deck also includes a box and sleeves, which are cool. there obviously will be a good amount of playable rares, commons, and uncommons. i'm sure the overall value will be $100 or so. probably no bitterblossom.
modern as a whole has become way too expensive for new players. it's falling into the legacy category- only really rich players can afford to play, which is the exact opposite of most magic players (usually magic players play games instead of work).
wotc's best hope to boost modern is to reprint fetches in standard, and make cards that fit into better strategies then needing to play goyf and bob.
i also feel that modern is becoming a broken format due to combo decks, which isn't fun (losing to splinter twin, scapeshift, storm, ad nauseam, etc.) i wonder if there will be a massive update to the banned list. consider what is happening in the format now, it makes cards like JTMS, stoneforge, bloodbraid, and deathrite shaman look like do-nothings.
Mono red storm can be built out for less than $50. Burning-Tree Emissary being one of the most, if not the most, expensive cards in the deck, if you want to use it. Oh hey, that's a standard card. Learning how to pilot and when the combo will go off takes practice though. Blood Moon isn't a must have. It's nice, but not a must have for the combo.
What I've seen at the few modern metas has been, yes, established, had the cards since they came out, players. AND I have seen the my-cards-rotated-out? Okay, I'll make something to try out. Finally, there is another group who has been trading and wheeling and dealing like crazy to tune their one deck. (The people in these metas who are for modern are not into standard.)
Back to topic - disagree with the low values the pessimists are touting. This is a new product for them. They won't make it like a normal standard event deck. Which, aren't the worst products in the world to take to an FNM. Someone will take one of the Modern event decks to a GP and do better than 50% of the players there. Easy. Heck, I'd be willing to bet we see someone Top 8 this thing. Why? Just to prove the point that event decks aren't all that bad.
If they print some staples and scalpers buy it to end then ever thing else in the deck will become cheap or will lose value . said staples will also fall in price .
And if this product has alot of printing then is more than probably that some stores will sell it at MSRP or cheaper and soo on alot of stores will try to sell it ( to move stock) soo if it has not a conservative print run then it is likely that the average player will be able to buy it.
Stores can open for singles ( and that is good) but scalper will only have incoming from this from the first 2 weeks or soo then they will lose some ( if they buy it for $75)
Wizards' strategy with event decks in the past has been to try making a tier 2 or 3 deck which doesn't feature the format's chase cards, so that the product can go to folks actually trying to enter the format. I think that ideally, the list would be entirely composed of cards that aren't particularly sought-after, but which can still be powerful in the right build.
You aren't going to see Tarmogoyfs, and you aren't going to see a GP-winning list; you're going to see a decklist that won't perform hugely well in a tournament, but one which might suffer a softer fate than a raw stack of 75 put together by a newbie.
tl;dr: The Modern Event Deck is a jumping-off point, not a source of cheap format staples. If you're already playing Modern, you're not in Wizards' target audience.
Even so, if this deck includes enough good cards as Elspeth, Hero of Bladehold, and perhaps a few Thoughtseizes, Path to Exile, and Bitterblossom, do you think new players will buy this when card stores will charge $150 for this product?
Better question: do you honestly think stores are going to keep the price high forever despite this not being a limited run item?
They'll ultimately just lose money once the cards become worth half what they were.
This isn't even something like Mind Seize- it's a single deck that can be reprinted until you can easily find it for MSRP.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Better question: do you honestly think stores are going to keep the price high forever despite this not being a limited run item?
They'll ultimately just lose money once the cards become worth half what they were.
This isn't even something like Mind Seize- it's a single deck that can be reprinted until you can easily find it for MSRP.
I really really really hope you are right. Only time well tell.
I like how so many people on these forums assume that if they themselves won't buy a product, it means that the product will be a massive failure.
Consider this: Intro packs exist. A preconstructed deck is worth more than the sum of its cards' value for a lot of people; some aren't heavily into deck building from scratch, and like the idea of getting a ready-to-play deck out of the box. And this might come as a shock for you, but some people don't add up the dollars and cents, don't check the value of every single card in the set before they buy these boxed products. This deck will sit at the top-end of that specific target market. If you're simply looking to get your hands on modern staples for less than what they're worth, this product isn't meant for you.
There's also the upsell factor. That's where I'm at. If it sells for MSRP and contains some cards I want that are almost worth the value (say, $65 after the decrease that this product leads to), I might very well be willing to pay the extra $10 or so to get the rest of the cards, the tokens, the spindown, the box and the sleeves*. If it contains one Marsh Flats, an Elspeth, a Hero, a few Paths/Inquisitions and maybe another rare B/W dual or two, I'm already there.
*rofl as if they won't be hideously ugly as always
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
When I hit my 3000 post mark, I'm gone for good.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
But it depends on what the expected value will be once we have seen the spoilers.
Is it worth the 75MSRP once price has been settled (say one month after release)?
OR
Is it worth the 75MSRP according to the current market rate?
I'm more inclined to go with the latter, seeing cards like Elspeth and Hero of Bladehold. Wizards DOES design products with a budget in mind. All in all, I do not think people will get the value they think they got after a month's time. Of course, as any Magic player I wish to be proven wrong but this isn't a product like Commander's Arsenal. The latter fetches quite a bit due to its premium treatment and limited print run.
I like how so many people on these forums assume that if they themselves won't buy a product, it means that the product will be a massive failure.
Consider this: Intro packs exist. A preconstructed deck is worth more than the sum of its cards' value for a lot of people; some aren't heavily into deck building from scratch, and like the idea of getting a ready-to-play deck out of the box. And this might come as a shock for you, but some people don't add up the dollars and cents, don't check the value of every single card in the set before they buy these boxed products. This deck will sit at the top-end of that specific target market. If you're simply looking to get your hands on modern staples for less than what they're worth, this product isn't meant for you.
There's also the upsell factor. That's where I'm at. If it sells for MSRP and contains some cards I want that are almost worth the value (say, $65 after the decrease that this product leads to), I might very well be willing to pay the extra $10 or so to get the rest of the cards, the tokens, the spindown, the box and the sleeves*. If it contains one Marsh Flats, an Elspeth, a Hero, a few Paths/Inquisitions and maybe another rare B/W dual or two, I'm already there.
*rofl as if they won't be hideously ugly as always
There's also card shops charging $150 if the cards inside are worth $150.
I like how so many people on these forums assume that if they themselves won't buy a product, it means that the product will be a massive failure.
Consider this: Intro packs exist. A preconstructed deck is worth more than the sum of its cards' value for a lot of people; some aren't heavily into deck building from scratch, and like the idea of getting a ready-to-play deck out of the box. And this might come as a shock for you, but some people don't add up the dollars and cents, don't check the value of every single card in the set before they buy these boxed products. This deck will sit at the top-end of that specific target market. If you're simply looking to get your hands on modern staples for less than what they're worth, this product isn't meant for you.
There's also the upsell factor. That's where I'm at. If it sells for MSRP and contains some cards I want that are almost worth the value (say, $65 after the decrease that this product leads to), I might very well be willing to pay the extra $10 or so to get the rest of the cards, the tokens, the spindown, the box and the sleeves*. If it contains one Marsh Flats, an Elspeth, a Hero, a few Paths/Inquisitions and maybe another rare B/W dual or two, I'm already there.
*rofl as if they won't be hideously ugly as always
There's also card shops charging $150 if the cards inside are worth $150.
If the items are sold at Target/Walmart, typically this just makes Card Shops look like bad guys. I know shops that were hit hard by customer support for how much they charged for commander boxes.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Current Decks:
Modern
Modern Warp / UR Control / UR Storm / Naya Breachshift / ElectroBalance
Legacy
Solidarity / Lands / Sneak and Show / Grixis Delver / Reanimator / Belcher / Storm / Dredge
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
They think it's OK for goyf to cost this much?!?!
Is it even good for the nonPT/GP metagame when a bunch of people that would be playing decks with goyfs won't because they can't afford them, affecting the whole metagame (they will play storm or some other cheap deck instead)?!?!?!
Stupidity 1 - 0 Wizard's retarted marketing team.
Wizards care more about speculators than actual players. People who bought tons of cards for either collections, or they want to sell them at a higher price, will be very unhappy if whatever cards they have get mass reprinted. This is why Wizards was so conservative with the Modern Masters print, which actually INCREASED the price of goyf, due to the alternate art, increase to mythic rarity, and increased demand for the Modern format. The people who say otherwise are fooling themselves. Unfortunately, unless there is not much to be done, as Wizards care more about $$$$$$$$$$ and making the speculators happy than anything else. So unless there is a mass exodus of players or the counterfeits become very good, Wizards doesn't care about players' frustrations about card prices.
Actually if you come to alot of stores and you ask if a player cares about cards price on trade or even they collection's price the very majority will say they care...
Its hard to wizards to make a hight choice. Would you easily say *#*$*$ to those players that saw bob,goyf,clique rising in price and imediately got them in trade or bought them just to have good "trade material". Or &*$**$&% this kido that played while a kid and now is tring to start again to play but now be competive cause he ( luck) has 1 off or 2 of said stample that he wants to trade. ? or any other people that you think is using magic to gain money ( even your LGS owner that got some nice cards to sell or to become a prize//// or any other "honest" people over there)
The thing is Wizards can't just say " Let's **** secondary market , BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!!!!" it would **** soo much stores and other people and al...
Yes i would be happy if they maked a Modern Event decck with Goyf but you know what? The majority of players wouldn't have a chance to get one ( cause you know ... scalpers)
If they did the hight choice would be: make a deck with one Goyf and alot of not soo pricey cards ( noo shocks , no fetches ) ( unless they make a HUGEEEEE print)...
Maybe they could do a Mono G domain deck ( with cards like nylea's presence and others cheap cards as well ) ( add some Avoid Fate , Guttural Response, Ouphe Vandals.....) Maybe GU with domain subtheme
but then people would complain....
Its not easy. Just saying they are wrong is stupidy. They are working not just plaing . They had Magic going for over 20 years and plan to stay printing it. They know what they are doing and what moves are safe and what is not.
I was just getting the boost from your post and the post before yours ( that is quoted as well) I m sorry if by any maner i mmaked you feel bad or other way , it was not my intention.
I see. No hard feelings mate.
That is what I, along with other people have been saying. If the cards in there are not worth the $75 price tag, then people will just not buy it. But if the cards in there are worth more than the $75 price tag, then card shops will just charge an outrageous price for this product. Either way, it's a lose-lose for players.
You aren't going to see Tarmogoyfs, and you aren't going to see a GP-winning list; you're going to see a decklist that won't perform hugely well in a tournament, but one which might suffer a softer fate than a raw stack of 75 put together by a newbie.
tl;dr: The Modern Event Deck is a jumping-off point, not a source of cheap format staples. If you're already playing Modern, you're not in Wizards' target audience.
I am a student game developer; Check out my stuff
modern as a whole has become way too expensive for new players. it's falling into the legacy category- only really rich players can afford to play, which is the exact opposite of most magic players (usually magic players play games instead of work).
wotc's best hope to boost modern is to reprint fetches in standard, and make cards that fit into better strategies then needing to play goyf and bob.
i also feel that modern is becoming a broken format due to combo decks, which isn't fun (losing to splinter twin, scapeshift, storm, ad nauseam, etc.) i wonder if there will be a massive update to the banned list. consider what is happening in the format now, it makes cards like JTMS, stoneforge, bloodbraid, and deathrite shaman look like do-nothings.
My multiplayer powered cube
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=9936757#post9936757
my EDH deckbox:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=6849857#post6849857
elesh norn statue:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=413011
tamiyo figure/bust:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=444503
my etsy dark souls statues page:
www.etsy.com/shop/originalstatues
Prepare to be surprised. Even if all it has in the way of value is what you described, they'd fly off the shelves.
What you are most likely going to see are huge markups and lack of availability. Expect NOT to be able to buy one at $75.
How To Keep Your FOIL Cards From Curling: http://youtu.be/QTmubrS8VnI
The Best Deck Boxes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEwgLph_Pjk
The Best Binders: http://youtu.be/H5IauASYWjk
Just using the speculated fetch as an example here but let's agree Marsh flats is a 4 of in B/W tokens and basically required for tourney play.
If a player who has only played for like a year wants to get into modern with B/W tokens and this deck contains 4 marsh flats, then there is no way they will get this for MSRP at all, and then will most likely still have to buy Brimaz and some other stuff. There is not much wiggle room between what 4 Marsh flats would cost as singles vs this deck so if the deck suddenly goes up to 150 each, then you may be getting a little more for your buck but not much. A few cheaper, widely accessible mythics and what most would consider the starts of a sub tier one deck.
If this deck only has 2, then they still have to buy 2 of these decks. The price will still likely get jacked up and scarcity will prevent some people from getting them (there may be new art stuff to, who knows.) That player will likely still have to get brimaz and the like as well.
Of this deck only has 1, then it compounds the problem as if it had 2. It staying at MSRP in this case is far more likely but the actual value to players is not there and they likely will not buy 4.
If it has 0 Marsh flats then it is all but useless to players because no matter how many they buy they are not going to be a competitive player in the format.
Non random reprint product will simply always have this problem. Retailers are not going to undercut their own singles sales to adhere to MSRP.
Http://www.fantasticneighborhood.com/
Comedy gaming podcast. Listening to it makes you cool.
If by price BB was $20 or less a few weeks beforethe unbaning.
Also with the unbaning i think wizards will try to reprint it sunner or later
enchanting Witchstalker with Raised by Wolves
Even so, if this deck includes enough good cards as Elspeth, Hero of Bladehold, and perhaps a few Thoughtseizes, Path to Exile, and Bitterblossom, do you think new players will buy this when card stores will charge $150 for this product?
Mono red storm can be built out for less than $50. Burning-Tree Emissary being one of the most, if not the most, expensive cards in the deck, if you want to use it. Oh hey, that's a standard card. Learning how to pilot and when the combo will go off takes practice though. Blood Moon isn't a must have. It's nice, but not a must have for the combo.
xW Hate/Control isn't expensive either. There are a lot of the cards that can be pulled from Standard, too: Judge's Familiar, Dryad Militant, Rest in Peace, Pithing Needle, Silence... I run Nevermore to break combos, break win cons, and make people play my way. Muahaha.
What I've seen at the few modern metas has been, yes, established, had the cards since they came out, players. AND I have seen the my-cards-rotated-out? Okay, I'll make something to try out. Finally, there is another group who has been trading and wheeling and dealing like crazy to tune their one deck. (The people in these metas who are for modern are not into standard.)
Back to topic - disagree with the low values the pessimists are touting. This is a new product for them. They won't make it like a normal standard event deck. Which, aren't the worst products in the world to take to an FNM. Someone will take one of the Modern event decks to a GP and do better than 50% of the players there. Easy. Heck, I'd be willing to bet we see someone Top 8 this thing. Why? Just to prove the point that event decks aren't all that bad.
And if this product has alot of printing then is more than probably that some stores will sell it at MSRP or cheaper and soo on alot of stores will try to sell it ( to move stock) soo if it has not a conservative print run then it is likely that the average player will be able to buy it.
Stores can open for singles ( and that is good) but scalper will only have incoming from this from the first 2 weeks or soo then they will lose some ( if they buy it for $75)
Better question: do you honestly think stores are going to keep the price high forever despite this not being a limited run item?
They'll ultimately just lose money once the cards become worth half what they were.
This isn't even something like Mind Seize- it's a single deck that can be reprinted until you can easily find it for MSRP.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I really really really hope you are right. Only time well tell.
Consider this: Intro packs exist. A preconstructed deck is worth more than the sum of its cards' value for a lot of people; some aren't heavily into deck building from scratch, and like the idea of getting a ready-to-play deck out of the box. And this might come as a shock for you, but some people don't add up the dollars and cents, don't check the value of every single card in the set before they buy these boxed products. This deck will sit at the top-end of that specific target market. If you're simply looking to get your hands on modern staples for less than what they're worth, this product isn't meant for you.
There's also the upsell factor. That's where I'm at. If it sells for MSRP and contains some cards I want that are almost worth the value (say, $65 after the decrease that this product leads to), I might very well be willing to pay the extra $10 or so to get the rest of the cards, the tokens, the spindown, the box and the sleeves*. If it contains one Marsh Flats, an Elspeth, a Hero, a few Paths/Inquisitions and maybe another rare B/W dual or two, I'm already there.
*rofl as if they won't be hideously ugly as always
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
But it depends on what the expected value will be once we have seen the spoilers.
Is it worth the 75MSRP once price has been settled (say one month after release)?
OR
Is it worth the 75MSRP according to the current market rate?
I'm more inclined to go with the latter, seeing cards like Elspeth and Hero of Bladehold. Wizards DOES design products with a budget in mind. All in all, I do not think people will get the value they think they got after a month's time. Of course, as any Magic player I wish to be proven wrong but this isn't a product like Commander's Arsenal. The latter fetches quite a bit due to its premium treatment and limited print run.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
There's also card shops charging $150 if the cards inside are worth $150.
If the items are sold at Target/Walmart, typically this just makes Card Shops look like bad guys. I know shops that were hit hard by customer support for how much they charged for commander boxes.
Modern Warp / UR Control / UR Storm / Naya Breachshift / ElectroBalance
Solidarity / Lands / Sneak and Show / Grixis Delver / Reanimator / Belcher / Storm / Dredge