My old Naya Aggro I shelved when Rootbound Crag and its ilk left Standard may see a resurgence until the next block comes out once I acquire a playset of Mana Confluence.
Might mono-U devotion run our mind-controlling bestower? I mean, it's in the market for 1/1 flyers for U, seeing as it plays judge's familiar. And sometimes, the game will go long or you'll drop a nykthos with enough devotion and boom, now you have a polukranos or something.
Not strictly better. Loss of life is worse than damage (damage can be prevented). Probably mostly better though as opponents can't tap it to damage you.
Never had your city of brass ported I guess?
I've had my City of Brasses Manipulated by Ice, but that doesn't make this strictly better.
I'm in the strictly better camp for a number of reasons:
1) How often are you preventing damage that it's even relevant for City of Brass?
2) With a card like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or other cards that allow you to add other mana from your lands, this is strictly better than CoB since you won't take damage.
3) Anything that can tap, such as Rishadan Port, doesn't sting with this. 4) This is going to sound fringe, but I'm going to say it. Since paying life is a cost of the ability, your opponent can't interact. City of Brass tapping for mana causes the triggered ability to go on the stack, which means priority has to pass before you cast anything. That may sound stupid, but it does actually give your opponent information since you're announcing the color you're adding and giving them a chance to do something preemptively. If they had something like Silence or Orim's Chant and based on the color you added they knew what you were going to cast, they could cast their spell and prevent you from playing yours if it's sorcery speed.
You can announce your spell before tapping mana, so this is not really an issue.
4) Isn't fringe at all, if a combo deck has silence and you play a City, they will know you are playing dredge and could use silence to stop a potential therapy which would have otherwise resolved if your land didn't have a triggered ability.
4) This is going to sound fringe, but I'm going to say it. Since paying life is a cost of the ability, your opponent can't interact. City of Brass tapping for mana causes the triggered ability to go on the stack, which means priority has to pass before you cast anything. That may sound stupid, but it does actually give your opponent information since you're announcing the color you're adding and giving them a chance to do something preemptively. If they had something like Silence or Orim's Chant and based on the color you added they knew what you were going to cast, they could cast their spell and prevent you from playing yours if it's sorcery speed.
Doesn't work like that. You can use the ability of City of Brass while paying the cost of the spell. In that case, its triggered ability goes on stack after the spell and resolves before it.
Is the new City of Brass really going to be as big of deal as y'all are saying? I'm sure it'll see play, but back in the day City was a land you didn't want to play but did so if your deck absolutely needed it.
The mana for 2/3 color aggro decks is pretty terrible right now in Standard. This helps that a lot, which should help against Mono black and blue.
Exactly. This is what I'm excited about. Opens up a lot of options for 2-color aggro decks I have been brewing. Now we might be able to use more of a 50/50 split of colors rather than a small splash for 3+ CMC cards. Could cost a lot of $$$.
Might mono-U devotion run our mind-controlling bestower? I mean, it's in the market for 1/1 flyers for U, seeing as it plays judge's familiar. And sometimes, the game will go long or you'll drop a nykthos with enough devotion and boom, now you have a polukranos or something.
I think it's Familiar vs. Siren. I don't think you can cut any of the other cards for it. I'm also pretty sure that Familiar is better, but not entirely sure on that.
If you're in the strictly better camp you need to open up a dictionary and look up the word strictly.
Given that "strictly better" is a term of art in Magic that's ridiculous advice. Regardless, Mana Confluence is significantly superior to City of Brass in Legacy and perhaps mildly superior in Modern.
Not strictly better. Loss of life is worse than damage (damage can be prevented). Probably mostly better though as opponents can't tap it to damage you.
Never had your city of brass ported I guess?
I've had my City of Brasses Manipulated by Ice, but that doesn't make this strictly better.
I'm in the strictly better camp for a number of reasons:
1) How often are you preventing damage that it's even relevant for City of Brass?
2) With a card like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or other cards that allow you to add other mana from your lands, this is strictly better than CoB since you won't take damage.
3) Anything that can tap, such as Rishadan Port, doesn't sting with this. 4) This is going to sound fringe, but I'm going to say it. Since paying life is a cost of the ability, your opponent can't interact. City of Brass tapping for mana causes the triggered ability to go on the stack, which means priority has to pass before you cast anything. That may sound stupid, but it does actually give your opponent information since you're announcing the color you're adding and giving them a chance to do something preemptively. If they had something like Silence or Orim's Chant and based on the color you added they knew what you were going to cast, they could cast their spell and prevent you from playing yours if it's sorcery speed.
You can announce your spell before tapping mana, so this is not really an issue.
Agree to disagree. My opinion is City of Brass provides your opponent a way to interact in a disruptive way where this doesn't.
EDIT: Now I understand based on Marek's response. I still think this is better though
4) This is going to sound fringe, but I'm going to say it. Since paying life is a cost of the ability, your opponent can't interact. City of Brass tapping for mana causes the triggered ability to go on the stack, which means priority has to pass before you cast anything. That may sound stupid, but it does actually give your opponent information since you're announcing the color you're adding and giving them a chance to do something preemptively. If they had something like Silence or Orim's Chant and based on the color you added they knew what you were going to cast, they could cast their spell and prevent you from playing yours if it's sorcery speed.
Doesn't work like that. You can use the ability of City of Brass while paying the cost of the spell. In that case, its triggered ability goes on stack after the spell and resolves before it.
Ah, now I get what the other guy was saying. Thanks for clarifying.
The last time we had an effect like Hypnotic Siren was Spirit Away. It's not Control Magic or Mind Control, but Control Magic is a bit too strong to reprint and they won't give us Mind Control with buffs for 5 mana. This is expensive, but fair (bestow for 4UU might have been fair as well). And to give this card some credit, it does have an upside: it can be played as a 1/1 flyer if you need it.
So... Gemstone Mine will be practically worthless once this gets printed? Fine by me, I'm building Legacy Dredge, and this is certainly a welcome addition. Also, I'm slightly pissed that Athreos wasn't spoiled this week, but it MUST be because he's insanely good, right? RIGHT?
Not really, because Phenax was spoiled last. (At least Karametra was good at SOMETHING)
As I said previously, black gods are being spoiled last for some reason
I think the Prophet of Kruphix Midrange decks will play a copy or two of the new Dictate. It follows her on their turn, and then opens you for 10 mana follow up. A 9/9 Mist Cutter isn't something to poke at.
Is the new City of Brass really going to be as big of deal as y'all are saying? I'm sure it'll see play, but back in the day City was a land you didn't want to play but did so if your deck absolutely needed it.
I don't know about in other formats, but in standard this might make current shaky 3-color decks downright brutal. Heck Mono-black might be able to reliably splash another color and that right there is scary. Never underestimate a land that CitP untapped and produces mana of ANY color.
Edit: Also is Dictate of Karametra worded wrong? Shouldn't the end be "of any type that land could produce"?
No it's worded exactly what it means. So you cannot add RG with a Temple of Abandon when you have Dictate of Karametra out, you can only add RR or GG.
playable in every format. strictly better than city of brass? yes please
I wouldn't say "strictly" better, as city of brass' mana can resolve instants/activated abilities before taking the 1 damage. For example in the case you are at 1 life and wanted to cast sphinx's revelation city of brass happens to be better. Still an effective reprint though.
Every single time there is an argument about what "strictly better" means. On one side, people who want that term to be actually useful, on other side, people who hold onto a strict interpretation that is semantically correct, but almost useless in practice.
How about this: let's agree that it's "mostly better", where "mostly better" is defined as "it's always better in your deck unless you specifically build it to take advantage of the second card's minor differences".
For example, City of Brass is also usable with Platinum Emperion, Angel of Jubilation or any of the cards that let you survive on 0 or less life and is painfree with Urza's Armor, but in that case you'd specifically choose it over Mana Confluence because of that and not because it's a better card (unless you're afraid of opponent's Angel of Jubilation shutting your Mana Confluence).
Not strictly better. Loss of life is worse than damage (damage can be prevented). Probably mostly better though as opponents can't tap it to damage you.
Never had your city of brass ported I guess?
I've had my City of Brasses Manipulated by Ice, but that doesn't make this strictly better.
I'm in the strictly better camp for a number of reasons:
1) How often are you preventing damage that it's even relevant for City of Brass?
2) With a card like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or other cards that allow you to add other mana from your lands, this is strictly better than CoB since you won't take damage.
3) Anything that can tap, such as Rishadan Port, doesn't sting with this.
4) This is going to sound fringe, but I'm going to say it. Since paying life is a cost of the ability, your opponent can't interact. City of Brass tapping for mana causes the triggered ability to go on the stack, which means priority has to pass before you cast anything. That may sound stupid, but it does actually give your opponent information since you're announcing the color you're adding and giving them a chance to do something preemptively. If they had something like Silence or Orim's Chant and based on the color you added they knew what you were going to cast, they could cast their spell and prevent you from playing yours if it's sorcery speed.
If you're in the strictly better camp you need to open up a dictionary and look up the word strictly.
That isn't what its Magic definition is. Its Magic definition is that it is better in almost all, nonfringe cases.
A NEW CITY OF BRASS?!?!?!? OGMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!! ITS GOING TO BREAK THE FORMATS WIDE OPEN! ESPECIALLY THAT ONE WHERE CITY OF BRASS IS ALREADY LEGAL!!! OMGOMG!
...yawn. someone wake me up when this set gets mildly interesting.
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You can announce your spell before tapping mana, so this is not really an issue.
Doesn't work like that. You can use the ability of City of Brass while paying the cost of the spell. In that case, its triggered ability goes on stack after the spell and resolves before it.
Exactly. This is what I'm excited about. Opens up a lot of options for 2-color aggro decks I have been brewing. Now we might be able to use more of a 50/50 split of colors rather than a small splash for 3+ CMC cards. Could cost a lot of $$$.
I think it's Familiar vs. Siren. I don't think you can cut any of the other cards for it. I'm also pretty sure that Familiar is better, but not entirely sure on that.
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Given that "strictly better" is a term of art in Magic that's ridiculous advice. Regardless, Mana Confluence is significantly superior to City of Brass in Legacy and perhaps mildly superior in Modern.
Agree to disagree. My opinion is City of Brass provides your opponent a way to interact in a disruptive way where this doesn't.
EDIT: Now I understand based on Marek's response. I still think this is better though
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Definitely better, especially with things like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Riftstone Portal, and things like that.
City of Brass never got around the damage.
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Not really, because Phenax was spoiled last. (At least Karametra was good at SOMETHING)
As I said previously, black gods are being spoiled last for some reason
No it's worded exactly what it means. So you cannot add RG with a Temple of Abandon when you have Dictate of Karametra out, you can only add RR or GG.
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I wouldn't say "strictly" better, as city of brass' mana can resolve instants/activated abilities before taking the 1 damage. For example in the case you are at 1 life and wanted to cast sphinx's revelation city of brass happens to be better. Still an effective reprint though.
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And it is actually an improved City of Brass it seems. The art though? Meh.
How about this: let's agree that it's "mostly better", where "mostly better" is defined as "it's always better in your deck unless you specifically build it to take advantage of the second card's minor differences".
For example, City of Brass is also usable with Platinum Emperion, Angel of Jubilation or any of the cards that let you survive on 0 or less life and is painfree with Urza's Armor, but in that case you'd specifically choose it over Mana Confluence because of that and not because it's a better card (unless you're afraid of opponent's Angel of Jubilation shutting your Mana Confluence).
That isn't what its Magic definition is. Its Magic definition is that it is better in almost all, nonfringe cases.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
...yawn. someone wake me up when this set gets mildly interesting.