Killed it with this set, my only complaint is that linvala isn't in it, but its a total slam dunk as far as what players want out of a product like this, a little something for everyone but all of it well executed.
I am quite well aware. This is just to prevent people from saying things like "This set got no value in it". This set clearly does, it's just much more spread out than in the last few FTV's, where the value was either on a few P3K cards (Who since crashed tremendously) or on Jace.
Sure. Also, it's worth noting that they really could not have made this set MORE valuable. There aren't enough angels to do so without it just being "FTV: Mythic Angels since Zendikar." For the restrictions put on the set it's really a fine collection of cards. I just hate that there is this perceived sense of value that will sucker people into buying it for $100.
I honestly think it will stabilize around the $60 mark. Maybe $70 but that's pushing it.
Unless they want to start making some female Demons, keep the Angels female.
Overall, I'm excited for the set. I like a lot of the new promo art, even if Exalted Angel's art doesn't really match it. I agree though that it would have been nice to have alternate art on Platinum Angel too.
I'm kind of miffed that Archangel of Strife was chosen over Dire Hour or Finality. Both of those cards can be slotted into any white EDH deck, where Strife is only decent in an aggro deck, and can get you killed if an opponent plays aggro better. It's just not a very good card.
Even more miffed that the mystery new art was Exalted. They have two of the four new artwork to cards that already have new artwork. Exalted being there is fine, she was for the longest time considered one of the best angels ever printed, but she already has a judge promo, and her original art is fine imo. That new art could easily have gone to baneslayer.
So the only card here I'm mildly excited about is Entreat the Angels. I'm pretty happy that I didn't order one of these. Not because the value is bad, the value is fine, but because their card selection is atrocious.
The art for Iridescent Angel is nice. FTV foiling is going to do a number on it though.... all that white. Kind of how the art for Akroma's Vengeance in FTV got nuked. Waste of aleksi briclot art, to boot. Really wish Baneslayer got new art. Oh well.
Interesting. Despite this being a rather good FTV, the only card that I want and need is Avacyn... But I only need Linvala (regarding angels) currently, so there wasn't much for me in there to begin with.
It's just strange that I'm disappointed to only 'get' Avacyn from this, happy that the FTV doesn't suck as a whole and delighted that I can get everything I want for under 20 euros at the same time. Weird feeling.
Really didn't expect that art to be for Exalted Angel.
Also I noticed that the wording on Exalted Anged is not "lifelink"...
Kind of wondering what is the difference between
"Whenever Exalted Angel deals damage, you gain that much life." (Exalted Angel)
and
"Damage dealt by the creature also causes its controller to gain that much life." (lifelink)
Someone cares to explain please?
The most important difference is that Exalted Angel gives you life AFTER you take damage, while lifelink gives you life AS you take damage. So if you are at 3, and your opponent attacks you with 4 1/1s, with Exalted Angel you can block one, but you die waiting for your life, whereas if she had lifelink you would survive.
As Blair Phoenix mentioned, since it is not lifelink, you can give her lifelink also, which is nice, but the abilities are not the same.
I like the choices for cards here, but the art for Exalted Angel seems very questionable to me. I guess the veil is supposed to be the morphing? I just really feel like it's a miss in terms of art direction (nothing wrong with the piece alone, but it's not Exalted Angel to me). Entreat the Angels is a good solid angel spell, and none of the choices are "lame".
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Thank you for pointing that out. I had intended on removing Angelic Page in that spot but when I was copying, I pasted Archangel in the wrong spot and totally forgot what I was going to do.
FTV doesn't work that way. The cards all have to be of historical importance, not necessarily 'good' as some people might think. (e.g., Kird Ape reveals just how ridiculous the banlist was at one time) I'm quite happy with what we got: The two jankiest were Serra Angel (obligatory as the first angel) and Lightning Angel (one of the first cycle of wedge cards from Apocalypse, and the only one that could be printed here).
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So Avacyn and Iona don't qualify as exciting? Not to mention 2x akroma, aurelia, baneslayer, entreat, and platinum angels!?
Not when you already have them foil, no. Especially not the akroma twins, the new art is pretty terrible. Entreat be Angels is the only card I want, the rest either didn't get new art and I already have them, or aren't worth note.
That exalted angel art is sweet. Most surprising thing about this is the inclusion of baneslayer angel and exalted angel since baneslayer is basically the new exalted angel. Can't ever complain about serra angel being included sure she's bad now but art is king and her art is one of the best in the set.
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When the teaser art of the veiled angel was originally released, just to go against the flow, I was actually going to suggest that it might be Exalted Angel (with the veil depicting a vague morph visual cue) instead of supporting the popular belief that it was Twilight Shepherd. Of course, I decided not to because I didn't want to look silly. Lo and behold... ;-)
That said, I em entirely pleased with this list. I wish Desolation Angel or Crypt Angel had made it in, but I'm still perfectly content with the final listing.
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Anyhow, the best I can come up with myself is a game in the top 8 of a PTQ back during Urza block in which we were starting game 3 with time already expired, so the tiebreaker rule was that whoever had more life after 3 turns would win. And I lost to... healing salve.
Such a beautiful selection of angels, the art of iridiscent angel is awesome, so much better than the old one, it would be great to see linvala but you can't allways get what you want, the reserved list took two of the best angels selenia and radiant, damn you Wizards of the coast!!!
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I honestly think it will stabilize around the $60 mark. Maybe $70 but that's pushing it.
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Unless they want to start making some female Demons, keep the Angels female.
Overall, I'm excited for the set. I like a lot of the new promo art, even if Exalted Angel's art doesn't really match it. I agree though that it would have been nice to have alternate art on Platinum Angel too.
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And I'm going to buy the commander decks version of Archangel of Strife since I don't like foils.
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Even more miffed that the mystery new art was Exalted. They have two of the four new artwork to cards that already have new artwork. Exalted being there is fine, she was for the longest time considered one of the best angels ever printed, but she already has a judge promo, and her original art is fine imo. That new art could easily have gone to baneslayer.
So the only card here I'm mildly excited about is Entreat the Angels. I'm pretty happy that I didn't order one of these. Not because the value is bad, the value is fine, but because their card selection is atrocious.
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Didn't see Exalted Angel coming.
The art for Iridescent Angel is nice. FTV foiling is going to do a number on it though.... all that white. Kind of how the art for Akroma's Vengeance in FTV got nuked. Waste of aleksi briclot art, to boot. Really wish Baneslayer got new art. Oh well.
It's just strange that I'm disappointed to only 'get' Avacyn from this, happy that the FTV doesn't suck as a whole and delighted that I can get everything I want for under 20 euros at the same time. Weird feeling.
The most important difference is that Exalted Angel gives you life AFTER you take damage, while lifelink gives you life AS you take damage. So if you are at 3, and your opponent attacks you with 4 1/1s, with Exalted Angel you can block one, but you die waiting for your life, whereas if she had lifelink you would survive.
As Blair Phoenix mentioned, since it is not lifelink, you can give her lifelink also, which is nice, but the abilities are not the same.
I like the choices for cards here, but the art for Exalted Angel seems very questionable to me. I guess the veil is supposed to be the morphing? I just really feel like it's a miss in terms of art direction (nothing wrong with the piece alone, but it's not Exalted Angel to me). Entreat the Angels is a good solid angel spell, and none of the choices are "lame".
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I just might have to get this FtV.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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FTV doesn't work that way. The cards all have to be of historical importance, not necessarily 'good' as some people might think. (e.g., Kird Ape reveals just how ridiculous the banlist was at one time) I'm quite happy with what we got: The two jankiest were Serra Angel (obligatory as the first angel) and Lightning Angel (one of the first cycle of wedge cards from Apocalypse, and the only one that could be printed here).
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So Avacyn and Iona don't qualify as exciting? Not to mention 2x akroma, aurelia, baneslayer, entreat, and platinum angels!?
Not when you already have them foil, no. Especially not the akroma twins, the new art is pretty terrible. Entreat be Angels is the only card I want, the rest either didn't get new art and I already have them, or aren't worth note.
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So happy I bought a Linvala just before this set came out! I had a suspicion after Iona was spoiled she wouldn't be here... looks like I was right.
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That said, I em entirely pleased with this list. I wish Desolation Angel or Crypt Angel had made it in, but I'm still perfectly content with the final listing.
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Same here! I was almost certain that art implied we were getting twilight shepherd