Avacyn, Linvala and Iona seem a bit much to me. Isn't that like 100+ in value?
Isn't JTMS near 100 in value? My issue with the lists everybody is putting out is that they are so heavily white centered. Granted angels are more often than not, white, but I would be shocked if 9 out of the 15 cards are white only cards.
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I guessed something like this a couple years back, on the Wizards forum. Even though I'm not likely going to buy it, I'm still hoping to see Lightning Angel with new artwork. As always, I have a speculation list ready:
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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They have specifically come out and clarified that no reserved list cards will be reprinted in any tournament legal form. Premium printings used to be ok, but are not any longer.
That doesn't stop something from being in a FTV set. Karn, Silver Golem is on the Reserve List, and he was reprinted in FTV:Relics.
They no longer do this. That was before they said they would no longer reprint reserved list in these types of products.
From the reprint policy webpage:
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I agree that they will probably include at least one angel of each color, but Angels are so white centric that they might just include four gold angels in the WUWBWRWG as their nod to the other colors of the color pie.
Although I know whoever said Vault of the Archangel was joking when they said it, I think you're right. Its the only rare land I can think of that's on theme.
While I'm sure many of the predictions in this thread will be for all the expensive stuff, I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Serra Angel and Fallen Angel will make the cut simply for nostalgia's sake. The latter is also an non-white angel.
This is the first FTV where there isn't a single card I want from it... and I know this on day 1 without knowing what's in it. At least in the past there was the "Maybe Ravages of War will be in there" or some potential money grab, but here... yawn.
Avacyn, Linvala and Iona seem a bit much to me. Isn't that like 100+ in value?
Isn't JTMS near 100 in value? My issue with the lists everybody is putting out is that they are so heavily white centered. Granted angels are more often than not, white, but I would be shocked if 9 out of the 15 cards are white only cards.
I suppose, I just don't see this being 15 of the most expensive angels. When I see those 3 listed with Baneslayer, Sublime and Gisela I'm a little worried people may be setting themselves up for disappointment by making wish lists than reasonable lists. Those all could very well be in here, but I doubt you'll also get 13 Angels worth $10+ alongside the big 3. Some slots should be about flavor not just value.
I will agree Twilight Shepherd is probably the new art, but I hope not, because I love the original art on that card. I'd love if Starlit Angel is one of them too so it is finally in the new border.
I'm calling it right now... this will be the last FtV. With the lackluster FtV: Annihilation last year it seems only fitting to cap off the series with the "other" popular tribe in relation to the first FtV.
Wizards isn't going to stop making a product that has 100% sell-through, every time.
Seems like finally they have find a way to force me into spending 150/200$ (yes folks, that's how much FTVs go for here in Aus) for one of these...
Hopefully this is my chance at getting one of those beautiful alternate art Akroma (the one from the Angels v Demons) for my angels edh deck
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Seems like finally they have find a way to force me into spending 150/200$ (yes folks, that's how much FTVs go for here in Aus) for one of these...
Hopefully this is my chance at getting one of those beautiful alternate art Akroma (the one from the Angels v Demons) for my angels edh deck
That's pretty much what they go for stateside as well.
The non-whites: Fallen Angel classic black low $$ angel to throw in Akroma, Angel of Fury really popular, only red one Illusory Angel only blue angel, sees a tiny, tiny bit of play. would have been better odds if it had not been printed in m15 Platinum Angel one of two artifact angels but as others have said the other is just garbage desolation angel don't know if we can get 2 all black angels but this one seems like a great option. crypt angel doubtful on this one with the other all black options
The mixed: Maelstrom archangel 5 colors! with a fun effect Firemane Avenger really cool effect, but never really saw any play. already has a full art card so might not need a premium version Empyrial ArchAngel fairly popular 3 color angel Tariel, Reckoner of Souls could use a foil I guess Lightning angeljust saw this in duel deck, even with new art I doubt to see it again.
The white: Herald of War angel lord Akroma, angel of wrath I think the red Akroma is more likely so I doubt to see both serra angel is there doubt in anyone's mind twilight shepherd art is 99% Baneslayer angelone of most popular Avacyn, angel of hopemost people will want this in here, don't think any of the 2 color legends in her cycle will make it. restoration angel if we don't see Avacyn I would guess this would be something playable from her Host and being an "Angel" plane someone would have to represent. wayward angelsuper cool angel horror - would bee my personal favorite for new art exalted angelheavily played in it's time
Non Angels:
Maybe one of the two lands entreat the angelswith decree of justice already getting a reprint this could be a good one moonsilver spearthis just got reprinted and already has a foil promo art
The angel enchantments could see a reprint, just dont know witch I would prefer
I hope Baneslayer doesn't have alternate art because her current art is beautiful.
I hope Serra Angel does have alternate art because her current art has been printed ad-nauseam.
I also hope the 4 remaining new arts are from Palumbo, Nielsen, RK Post, Wynona Nelson or even against all hope Rebecca Guay. It'd be an utter dissapointment to have it all be same-ish digital rendering.
That's always the MSRP for FTV sets. It might as well say "nudge nudge wink wink" because everyone knows that it's really going to sell for about $100 in LGS.
Isn't JTMS near 100 in value? My issue with the lists everybody is putting out is that they are so heavily white centered. Granted angels are more often than not, white, but I would be shocked if 9 out of the 15 cards are white only cards.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
That doesn't stop something from being in a FTV set. Karn, Silver Golem, Masticore, Memory Jar, and Mox Diamond are on the Reserve List, and they were all reprinted in FTV:Relics.
EDIT: It seems that I forgot that the Reprint Policy was revised right around when these were printed. Oops.
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They've done away with that exception: No more promos that are on the Reserve List.
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They no longer do this. That was before they said they would no longer reprint reserved list in these types of products.
From the reprint policy webpage:
"Premium Cards
A previous version of this policy allowed premium versions of cards on the reserved list to be printed. Starting in 2011, no cards on the reserved list will be printed in either premium or non-premium form."
Although I know whoever said Vault of the Archangel was joking when they said it, I think you're right. Its the only rare land I can think of that's on theme.
I'm also thinking Entreat the Angels has a good shot of making it in.
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I suppose, I just don't see this being 15 of the most expensive angels. When I see those 3 listed with Baneslayer, Sublime and Gisela I'm a little worried people may be setting themselves up for disappointment by making wish lists than reasonable lists. Those all could very well be in here, but I doubt you'll also get 13 Angels worth $10+ alongside the big 3. Some slots should be about flavor not just value.
I will agree Twilight Shepherd is probably the new art, but I hope not, because I love the original art on that card. I'd love if Starlit Angel is one of them too so it is finally in the new border.
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Wizards isn't going to stop making a product that has 100% sell-through, every time.
Hopefully this is my chance at getting one of those beautiful alternate art Akroma (the one from the Angels v Demons) for my angels edh deck
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If I had to bet, I would guess Linvala, keeper of Silence is in MM2 (she's played in Modern, right? Or was she only in Pod?)
and Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Iona, Shield of Emeria are in this.
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That's pretty much what they go for stateside as well.
Fallen Angel classic black low $$ angel to throw in
Akroma, Angel of Fury really popular, only red one
Illusory Angel only blue angel, sees a tiny, tiny bit of play. would have been better odds if it had not been printed in m15
Platinum Angel one of two artifact angels but as others have said the other is just garbage
desolation angel don't know if we can get 2 all black angels but this one seems like a great option.
crypt angel doubtful on this one with the other all black options
The mixed:
Maelstrom archangel 5 colors! with a fun effect
Firemane Avenger really cool effect, but never really saw any play. already has a full art card so might not need a premium version
Empyrial ArchAngel fairly popular 3 color angel
Tariel, Reckoner of Souls could use a foil I guess
Lightning angeljust saw this in duel deck, even with new art I doubt to see it again.
The white:
Herald of War angel lord
Akroma, angel of wrath I think the red Akroma is more likely so I doubt to see both
serra angel is there doubt in anyone's mind
twilight shepherd art is 99%
Baneslayer angelone of most popular
Avacyn, angel of hopemost people will want this in here, don't think any of the 2 color legends in her cycle will make it.
restoration angel if we don't see Avacyn I would guess this would be something playable from her Host and being an "Angel" plane someone would have to represent.
wayward angelsuper cool angel horror - would bee my personal favorite for new art
exalted angelheavily played in it's time
Non Angels:
Maybe one of the two lands
entreat the angelswith decree of justice already getting a reprint this could be a good one
moonsilver spearthis just got reprinted and already has a foil promo art
The angel enchantments could see a reprint, just dont know witch I would prefer
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I hope Serra Angel does have alternate art because her current art has been printed ad-nauseam.
I also hope the 4 remaining new arts are from Palumbo, Nielsen, RK Post, Wynona Nelson or even against all hope Rebecca Guay. It'd be an utter dissapointment to have it all be same-ish digital rendering.
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That's always the MSRP for FTV sets. It might as well say "nudge nudge wink wink" because everyone knows that it's really going to sell for about $100 in LGS.
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