Another WR legendary angel...so now I HAVE TO buy the rw deck, great. Hopefully is good.
Look at our brand-new "dies to Pyroclasm" commanders: can't you hear a "doubt so" whisper in your head? Relax, ignore the box, then just buy that angel from SSG for $0.45
Well, we pretty much know the angel has to have a 5cc, given the main general. So "dies to pyroclasm" is unlikely for this one.
I can only assume that all decks will have a Sol Ring in them.
And probably not the original Sol Ring art yet again.
WotC doesn't own that art (nor do they own any pre-Mirage art.) They'd have to pay the artist royalties for every copy printed. We're never seeing that art again.
Well it has already been reused once in the form of a Judge promo, and they've done it for other cards before. Many of the Timeshifted cards like Tormod's Crypt, Darkness, Eron the Relentless, Serrated Arrows and Nicol Bolas have reused art from pre-Mirage sets, as well as other cards like FNM Force Spike and the already mentioned Judge Sol Ring. Has their policy changed in the past few years or something? It's a shame, I'd love to have a modern frame black border original art Sol Ring that doesn't cost a few hundred dollars.
They probably paid royalties on the judge promo. They do not outright own the art from pre-Mirage sets, so reprints either triggered cash royalties or they worked out alternate deals. Given how long it's been since we've seen a reprint with art from the royalty era, I'd say it's more likely they haven't made deals and were simply paying the artists for reusing the original art on promos.
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I find the spoiler argument interesting, because it assumes that some substantial portion of the sales of this happen to people who actually pay attention to them. Most of the sales probably come from big box stores where the people buy them as gifts, buy them without knowing the contents, or buy them for the general. The amount preordered very likely pales in comparison to the amount sold in big box.
Most of the sales probably come from big box stores where the people buy them as gifts, buy them without knowing the contents, or buy them for the general. The amount preordered very likely pales in comparison to the amount sold in big box.
I can tell you now that I am waiting for the decklists so that I can say to my family "Dear beloveds, buy me this box for Christmas".
Are they wandering into a big box store and not knowing the contents? Sure. Are they informed nonetheless by someone watching these spoilers like a hawk? Yup. There's usually someone who knows their stuff somewhere at the end of that chain.
I can tell you now that I am waiting for the decklists so that I can say to my family "Dear beloveds, buy me this box for Christmas".
Are they wandering into a big box store and not knowing the contents? Sure. Are they informed nonetheless by someone watching these spoilers like a hawk? Yup. There's usually someone who knows their stuff somewhere at the end of that chain.
I'm not contending there is a portion out there like you, but I would be shocked if it was even close to a majority. I know of several casual magic player who bought CMD decks with no knowledge of what was inside. I have also received plenty of gifts, magic included, from someone who simply knows I have an interest and doesn't ask for specifics. Further, MaRo has repeatedly noted that the vast majority of purchasers don't interact on the level people do here. In fact, that vast majority is why so many supplemental products started.
Ezuriii noooooo!!!
I guess return to return to Mirrodin will not be that much Mirrodin in fact.....
I hope the WR angel is more fascinating commander than Kalemne.
It will be Mirrodin... Perfected.
If you think about it, Strong Mirrodin's are slowly getting into a position to overthrow the current leaders. So Mirrodins might be able to take Mirrodin back again it will just be, you know different
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I guess return to return to Mirrodin will not be that much Mirrodin in fact.....
I hope the WR angel is more fascinating commander than Kalemne.
It will be Mirrodin... Perfected.
If you think about it, Strong Mirrodin's are slowly getting into a position to overthrow the current leaders. So Mirrodins might be able to take Mirrodin back again it will just be, you know different
The term you are looking for us Mirrans, not Mirrodins.
Meren of Clan Nel Toth is the BG commander of my dreams. I can't wait to get my hands on a copy. I think she is Tier 1 french material.
I too was hoping that she made tier 1, but upon further analysis I think she is a little bit worse than Karador (lack of white, much harder to combo) and Karador is not tier 1 anymore. So, while I think that her deck can be very good, I don't think it is good enough to be side by side with Marath, Tasigur, Anafenza, Animar, Geist, Narset, GAAIV, etc.
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Meren of Clan Nel Toth is the BG commander of my dreams. I can't wait to get my hands on a copy. I think she is Tier 1 french material.
I too was hoping that she made tier 1, but upon further analysis I think she is a little bit worse than Karador (lack of white, much harder to combo) and Karador is not tier 1 anymore. So, while I think that her deck can be very good, I don't think it is good enough to be side by side with Marath, Tasigur, Anafenza, Animar, Geist, Narset, GAAIV, etc.
I think she can. Drawing/Reanimating a creature every turn is some awesome CA. No she won't combo out like Karador but I think she will be able hold her own against the above decks. Plus you can pull off some mean strategies with her using cards like Mindslicer, Braids, Cabal Minion, Contamination and Infernal Darkness. Sure Anafenza brings white to the table but her abilities are way inferior.
I think she can. Drawing/Reanimating a creature every turn is some awesome CA. No she won't combo out like Karador but I think she will be able hold her own against the above decks. Plus you can pull off some mean strategies with her using cards like Mindslicer, Braids, Cabal Minion, Contamination and Infernal Darkness. Sure Anafenza brings white to the table but her abilities are way inferior.
Well, Anafeza alone completely hoses Meren's deck, so there is that. I think the tricky part now is to find out what Meren is good for: is she a stax general? A grindy rock general? An aristocrats style general? A combo general? A mix of the previously mentioned? How would you mix it then?
My money is on the grindy rock general with some tricks up its sleever like mindslicer that you mentioned, but I'm not sure BG has enough tools to keep up with the unfair things that a good part of the rest of the metagame is doing. I truly hope it does, I would love to see a new tier 1 general (from BG nonetheless), just not very hopeful.
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Well, Anafeza alone completely hoses Meren's deck, so there is that. I think the tricky part now is to find out what Meren is good for: is she a stax general? A grindy rock general? An aristocrats style general? A combo general? A mix of the previously mentioned? How would you mix it then?
My money is on the grindy rock general with some tricks up its sleever like mindslicer that you mentioned, but I'm not sure BG has enough tools to keep up with the unfair things that a good part of the rest of the metagame is doing. I truly hope it does, I would love to see a new tier 1 general (from BG nonetheless), just not very hopeful.
I think you're right on with a grindy rock general. I suppose the question for the Anafenza matchup is can we keep her off the field?
How do u think guys, will we get pricy legacy staples in this commander? Only 4 cards left...
I have not seen anything yet that makes me confident we will have a legacy playable card like TNN, Flusterstorm, or Scooze. The one one I keep trying to think of how I would use it in legacy is Mizzix's Mastery. But I am not 100% sure on that. There are some large spells I would like to dump in my yard only to cast for cheaper with it.
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How do u think guys, will we get pricy legacy staples in this commander? Only 4 cards left...
I have not seen anything yet that makes me confident we will have a legacy playable card like TNN, Flusterstorm, or Scooze. The one one I keep trying to think of how I would use it in legacy is Mizzix's Mastery. But I am not 100% sure on that. There are some large spells I would like to dump in my yard only to cast for cheaper with it.
Mizzix's Mastery is just not better than Past in Flames, and since storm is the only deck where I think that card could see play, it is very unlinkely that this would be the legacy-dedicated card. The thing is: if you are playing storm and using mizzix's mastery, you will have to use rituals already to storm up and have mana enough in your pool to cast mastery, if that is the case it is much easier to just storm up to past in flames and then recast all the rituals and infernal tutor for tendrils than having the trouble of having 8 mana in your pool first, 3 being red nonetheless.
I think the ship has sailed in the legacy staple, for some reason this year they didn't feel like giving us one. Maybe to not make a deck that is made for a for fun format to become ridiculously overpriced.
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With so many unimpressive new cards, I'm really hoping the Boros deck packs some desirable reprints. Austere Command has been needing a reprint for *years* now.
If they pass over it again, I won't be surprised, but I will be annoyed. Final Judgment and Hallowed Burial are also fairly in need of a reprint. Gamble would be great, as would Sneak Attack or Oblivion Stone,
but I think they would have shown those as previews if they were
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With so many unimpressive new cards, I'm really hoping the Boros deck packs some desirable reprints. Austere Command has been needing a reprint for *years* now.
If they pass over it again, I won't be surprised, but I will be annoyed. Final Judgment and Hallowed Burial are also fairly in need of a reprint. Gamble would be great, as would Sneak Attack or Oblivion Stone,
but I think they would have shown those as previews if they were
I won't be surprised if they skipped Austere Command because the Confluences exist in this set. Not much of an excuse in a singleton 100-card format, but since when has that stopped them from using such explanations still?
On the topic of the decks, are we getting the full decklists soon or on Monday?
How do u think guys, will we get pricy legacy staples in this commander? Only 4 cards left...
I have not seen anything yet that makes me confident we will have a legacy playable card like TNN, Flusterstorm, or Scooze. The one one I keep trying to think of how I would use it in legacy is Mizzix's Mastery. But I am not 100% sure on that. There are some large spells I would like to dump in my yard only to cast for cheaper with it.
Mizzix's Mastery is just not better than Past in Flames, and since storm is the only deck where I think that card could see play, it is very unlinkely that this would be the legacy-dedicated card. The thing is: if you are playing storm and using mizzix's mastery, you will have to use rituals already to storm up and have mana enough in your pool to cast mastery, if that is the case it is much easier to just storm up to past in flames and then recast all the rituals and infernal tutor for tendrils than having the trouble of having 8 mana in your pool first, 3 being red nonetheless.
I think the ship has sailed in the legacy staple, for some reason this year they didn't feel like giving us one. Maybe to not make a deck that is made for a for fun format to become ridiculously overpriced.
I wasn't thinking of it for a storm deck. Just casting one spell from the yard is where I'm thinking of using it. If you get an Enter the Infinite in the yard you can cast it with it. Just gotta combo off from there. Red and blue certainly have ways of getting cards from the hand and or library into the yard.
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I wasn't thinking of it for a storm deck. Just casting one spell from the yard is where I'm thinking of using it. If you get an Enter the Infinite in the yard you can cast it with it. Just gotta combo off from there. Red and blue certainly have ways of getting cards from the hand and or library into the yard.
I see. Maybe it could work, spawning a new archetype of Omni-tell, just not sure it would be consistent. You would have to ditch Enter the Infinite and use a 4 mana spell to cast it. Seems like a worse reanimator deck to me. Maybe I am wrong.
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I wasn't thinking of it for a storm deck. Just casting one spell from the yard is where I'm thinking of using it. If you get an Enter the Infinite in the yard you can cast it with it. Just gotta combo off from there. Red and blue certainly have ways of getting cards from the hand and or library into the yard.
I see. Maybe it could work, spawning a new archetype of Omni-tell, just not sure it would be consistent. You would have to ditch Enter the Infinite and use a 4 mana spell to cast it. Seems like a worse reanimator deck to me. Maybe I am wrong.
You are probably correct, which is why I say it is the only card I keep looking at, but can't seem to figure out how it would make it. It is an extremely powerful ability, but I don't see exactly how it will fit at this time. Time to brew.
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With so many unimpressive new cards, I'm really hoping the Boros deck packs some desirable reprints. Austere Command has been needing a reprint for *years* now.
If they pass over it again, I won't be surprised, but I will be annoyed. Final Judgment and Hallowed Burial are also fairly in need of a reprint. Gamble would be great, as would Sneak Attack or Oblivion Stone,
but I think they would have shown those as previews if they were
Austere Command was reprinted in a commander product already, so I'd prefer not to see it in another one so soon.
Well, we pretty much know the angel has to have a 5cc, given the main general. So "dies to pyroclasm" is unlikely for this one.
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They probably paid royalties on the judge promo. They do not outright own the art from pre-Mirage sets, so reprints either triggered cash royalties or they worked out alternate deals. Given how long it's been since we've seen a reprint with art from the royalty era, I'd say it's more likely they haven't made deals and were simply paying the artists for reusing the original art on promos.
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Are they wandering into a big box store and not knowing the contents? Sure. Are they informed nonetheless by someone watching these spoilers like a hawk? Yup. There's usually someone who knows their stuff somewhere at the end of that chain.
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If you think about it, Strong Mirrodin's are slowly getting into a position to overthrow the current leaders. So Mirrodins might be able to take Mirrodin back again it will just be, you know different
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I too was hoping that she made tier 1, but upon further analysis I think she is a little bit worse than Karador (lack of white, much harder to combo) and Karador is not tier 1 anymore. So, while I think that her deck can be very good, I don't think it is good enough to be side by side with Marath, Tasigur, Anafenza, Animar, Geist, Narset, GAAIV, etc.
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My money is on the grindy rock general with some tricks up its sleever like mindslicer that you mentioned, but I'm not sure BG has enough tools to keep up with the unfair things that a good part of the rest of the metagame is doing. I truly hope it does, I would love to see a new tier 1 general (from BG nonetheless), just not very hopeful.
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I have not seen anything yet that makes me confident we will have a legacy playable card like TNN, Flusterstorm, or Scooze. The one one I keep trying to think of how I would use it in legacy is Mizzix's Mastery. But I am not 100% sure on that. There are some large spells I would like to dump in my yard only to cast for cheaper with it.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Mizzix's Mastery is just not better than Past in Flames, and since storm is the only deck where I think that card could see play, it is very unlinkely that this would be the legacy-dedicated card. The thing is: if you are playing storm and using mizzix's mastery, you will have to use rituals already to storm up and have mana enough in your pool to cast mastery, if that is the case it is much easier to just storm up to past in flames and then recast all the rituals and infernal tutor for tendrils than having the trouble of having 8 mana in your pool first, 3 being red nonetheless.
I think the ship has sailed in the legacy staple, for some reason this year they didn't feel like giving us one. Maybe to not make a deck that is made for a for fun format to become ridiculously overpriced.
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Austere Command has been needing a reprint for *years* now.
If they pass over it again, I won't be surprised, but I will be annoyed.
Final Judgment and Hallowed Burial are also fairly in need of a reprint.
Gamble would be great, as would Sneak Attack or Oblivion Stone,
but I think they would have shown those as previews if they were
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I won't be surprised if they skipped Austere Command because the Confluences exist in this set. Not much of an excuse in a singleton 100-card format, but since when has that stopped them from using such explanations still?
On the topic of the decks, are we getting the full decklists soon or on Monday?
I wasn't thinking of it for a storm deck. Just casting one spell from the yard is where I'm thinking of using it. If you get an Enter the Infinite in the yard you can cast it with it. Just gotta combo off from there. Red and blue certainly have ways of getting cards from the hand and or library into the yard.
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It's *great* for EDH, and would be great in Modern or Standard,
but it's a bit too pricey for Legacy.
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You are probably correct, which is why I say it is the only card I keep looking at, but can't seem to figure out how it would make it. It is an extremely powerful ability, but I don't see exactly how it will fit at this time. Time to brew.
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Austere Command was reprinted in a commander product already, so I'd prefer not to see it in another one so soon.
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