MarcWizard: You are incorrect that black is 'the color of evil'.
It is the color of self-interest, selfishness, and putting yourself before others. If someone else wants to call that evil, that's fine, but Black simply shrugs its shoulders and goes about its business.
I'll grant you that Black is the color of greed. Corruption, though... corruption requires something to be corrupted, and all colors have the ability to corrupt other things. White can go from 'altruistic communal life' to 'authoritarian collectivism' blindingly fast, as just one example.
'Evil in general' does not exist per se. Evil can be defined as the lack of virtue according to some ethical system. Therefore, you can only discuss 'evil' in the context of one ethical system or another.
(Note that I am not arguing that ethical systems in general are not useful--as Black does--and I am not saying that I do not ascribe to one particular ethical system that does indeed condemn most if not all Black actions as evil.)
Ummmm, okay. I'm sorry for moving the discussion in this direction. So.... back to the story!
guess who was white and now has a red splash! Its our missing Lithomancer!
Her new abilities stink of a very familiar planeswalker we all know. She seems to have been warped by the same force. Man, is Tibalt really that strong? I'm betting he has some kind of power behind him feeding his abilities and magnifying them. Has Tibalt become a Thrall of Emrakul? We know that the ELdrazi keeps thralls, such as the vampires on Zendikar.
If Tibalt is now at the head of some tentacle-worshipping cult, biding his time and building up his power to help sow chaos on Innistrad, it may explain the sequence of events that are unfolding.
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Her new abilities stink of a very familiar planeswalker we all know. She seems to have been warped by the same force. Man, is Tibalt really that strong?
Wait, you're trying to draw a connection between her and Tibalt? She has one ability similar to his, which isn't evidence of anything, especially since Dack Fayden and Darettialso have looting for their first abilities.
Tilbalt and Nahiri are most certainly not working together. Even if Tilbalt turns out to be the source of madness, which is a fun theory in fact, her doings come from vengeance towards Sorin, not paranoia.
Since Nahiri is the ''Harbinger'' though, they may be in the same team, unkowningly to each other, just fulfilling their own agendas.
I always categorized Tilbalt as a pawn/second-in command/side villain, than the actual mastermind in fact, this is why i find it hard to accept this fiction of yours.
Her new abilities stink of a very familiar planeswalker we all know. She seems to have been warped by the same force. Man, is Tibalt really that strong?
Wait, you're trying to draw a connection between her and Tibalt? She has one ability similar to his, which isn't evidence of anything, especially since Dack Fayden and Darettialso have looting for their first abilities.
It may not have been his intention, but that Insurrection he fired off apparently has some AOE, it even affected some humans near his intended target. The effect seems to follow her around though, once she'd left the mother and child behind they no longer felt the.... rage.
Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
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I could see Tibalt playing Joker to Gideon and Jace's Batman, he's got the manic grin and sadistic streak.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
For breaking a promise, and allowing the Eldrazi to wreak havoc on Zendikar. The later part's seems to be the main thing. See Structural Distortion
I do not know much about the first Innistrad block but to me it sounds like the "dead" angel sister might be Sorin's mortal enemy, if any could be considered at all. I only say this as the story says she was killed right as Avacyn came about and that she was making some alliance with demons = no bueno for Sorin.
Imo if the Helvault is a "piece of the moon" then I feel that Nahiri could be trying to bring out what is in the moon to kill it. On the other hand maybe she is pissed at what happened to Zendikar and is trying to get payback at someone who is likely the cause. Then again, I doubt she would believe he is dumb enough to release them although I guess he did have some small part in that fiasco.
I guess Tibalt could be an instigator but I have too much faith in Nahiri to believe she just wants to kill anyone without a supremely good reason.
Another potential option is that Sorin has already recruited her for help but then Markov manor makes little sense although you could say they were getting in her way, obnoxiously.
Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
For breaking a promise, and allowing the Eldrazi to wreak havoc on Zendikar. The later part's seems to be the main thing. See Structural Distortion
That does strike me as crazy, though. I mean, yes, he didnt show up. If she'd come to his home plane and found him leaisurely sipping a glass of wine, I could understand. But he was missing entirely... to go off kilter and just murder his whole family seems at least a little hasty.
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Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
For breaking a promise, and allowing the Eldrazi to wreak havoc on Zendikar. The later part's seems to be the main thing. See Structural Distortion
That does strike me as crazy, though. I mean, yes, he didnt show up. If she'd come to his home plane and found him leaisurely sipping a glass of wine, I could understand. But he was missing entirely... to go off kilter and just murder his whole family seems at least a little hasty.
It goes back further than that, in the original sealing of the Eldrazi, Nahiri resents the decision of her homeworld as the place of the sealing, given the effects it would have (i.e. the roil). Then, years later, she finds out that it didn't even work, it was all for little to nothing, the Eldrazi escape. So, while, yes, here reaction is extreme, it's somewhat understandable.
Her new abilities stink of a very familiar planeswalker we all know. She seems to have been warped by the same force. Man, is Tibalt really that strong?
Wait, you're trying to draw a connection between her and Tibalt? She has one ability similar to his, which isn't evidence of anything, especially since Dack Fayden and Darettialso have looting for their first abilities.
It may not have been his intention, but that Insurrection he fired off apparently has some AOE, it even affected some humans near his intended target. The effect seems to follow her around though, once she'd left the mother and child behind they no longer felt the.... rage.
Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
That's some nice fanfiction you've got there, but the fact is that most of the stuff you're saying isn't based in actual canon. Tibalt hasn't done anything in-story, beyond the short blurb that was his origin, and whatever happened between him and Sorin to inspire their duel deck. And he most certainly has not ever used his ult in-story. We haven't even gotten an explanation for how his card abilities actually work from a story perspective. His ultimate could cause temporary insanity, it could be coercion via pain, it could be mind control; we don't know.
You're basing your theories on shaky leaps in logic that are, in turn, based on assumptions made about how cards' mechanics work in-story, ignoring the possibility that gameplay and story segregation could be in effect here. And your entire theory hinges on the idea that Tibalt is still alive and on Innistrad, which we don't actually know for certain.
Her new abilities stink of a very familiar planeswalker we all know. She seems to have been warped by the same force. Man, is Tibalt really that strong?
Wait, you're trying to draw a connection between her and Tibalt? She has one ability similar to his, which isn't evidence of anything, especially since Dack Fayden and Darettialso have looting for their first abilities.
It may not have been his intention, but that Insurrection he fired off apparently has some AOE, it even affected some humans near his intended target. The effect seems to follow her around though, once she'd left the mother and child behind they no longer felt the.... rage.
Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
That's some nice fanfiction you've got there, but the fact is that most of the stuff you're saying isn't based in actual canon. Tibalt hasn't done anything in-story, beyond the short blurb that was his origin, and whatever happened between him and Sorin to inspire their duel deck. And he most certainly has not ever used his ult in-story. We haven't even gotten an explanation for how his card abilities actually work from a story perspective. His ultimate could cause temporary insanity, it could be coercion via pain, it could be mind control; we don't know.
You're basing your theories on shaky leaps in logic that are, in turn, based on assumptions made about how cards' mechanics work in-story, ignoring the possibility that gameplay and story segregation could be in effect here. And your entire theory hinges on the idea that Tibalt is still alive and on Innistrad, which we don't actually know for certain.
I respect your disagreement!
I still think there is a possibility here, and I don't see any leaps of logic! We know for sure Tibalt is able to apply coercive techniques to the mind, because that's the nature of his craft. He isn't always successful in getting what he wants, although he always inflicts pain, such as in Blightning's flavor text. So we know that he can do things to your brain. Has he grown powerful enough to warp an angel, and then every other being that angel comes in close proximity with? It seems like a huge upgrade. But I won't discount it either.
Of course it isn't canon. Its a theory, based on my imagination, by piecing together a few clues.
Don't take it too seriously, and do throw out your ideas as well, I love reading deductions!
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Something is bugging me about the clues we have so far. I just don't think Jace would be all that shocked about most things he could theoretically uncover during his research. Maybe I'm putting too much weight into the flavor text of Pieces of the Puzzle, but my new theory is that there's a fourth Eldrazi that has been trapped inside the moon all along and is now gaining power. Nahiri could be warping the landscape (as shown in Warped Landscape) specifically for this purpose, as we know they feed on mana. As a result of this power vacuum the effect of the moon is amplified, and the denizens of Innistrad start going mad.
This fourth Eldrazi could even be the source of the moon's power over Innistrad in the first place. Jace has been gaining clues via Tamiyo's journal, and Tamiyo has been researching the moon for awhile now. One of the reasons I think it's a fourth Eldrazi is because Emrakul seems like it would be a relatively recent development to Innistrad.
Anyway, I'm not too familiar with Magic timelines, so maybe something else makes sense. I have to say though, Jace would be surprised to learn that Emrakul's power level is now over 9000 because of the "deaths" of Ulamog and Kozilek. Perhaps the gatewatch shouldn't have ignored Ugin's warning on Zendikar?
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My apologies, children, for I am afraid I cannot save you all.
Has he grown powerful enough to warp an angel, and then every other being that angel comes in close proximity with?
This. This right here is a leap in logic. We don't know much about Tibalt, but what we do know is that he's a bit of a screw-up who found being a skaberen too difficult, and who had trouble dealing with a handful of inquisitors. To say that warping Avacyn, the strongest angel on Innistrad, would require him to get a power boost is a massive understatement. There's also the leap in logic that because Tibalt can coerce people by subjecting them to pain, he could also cast some sort of infectious rage aura.
And that mental attack Avacyn suffered. It mentions "an image of many floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved into their sides", which seems a clear reference to hedrons, pointing to Nahiri as the culprit.
We're only a few days into preview weeks, and SOI is already saturated with characters: Tamiyo leaving clues that Jace is finding; Avacyn, Bruna, and Gisela going off the deep end, leaving Sigarda as the only sane one; Sorin coming in to destroy Avacyn; Nahiri on her rampage; Arlinn and Liliana, however they factor in to this; and I suspect that whatever it is Runo Stromkirk worships will have a role to play. And you're thinking that not only is Tibalt involved, but he's the chessmaster behind it all? Honestly, I'd bet that WotC has moved Tibalt offworld, just so that they don't have to dilute the story with his presence, explaining what he's up to while everything is going on.
Really, Ravnica is just aching for some Batman-style crimefighter shenanigans. Gideon and Jace are our Batman & Robin while Tibalt is our Joker. I guess that makes Vraska Poison Ivy?
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Ummmm, okay. I'm sorry for moving the discussion in this direction. So.... back to the story!
guess who was white and now has a red splash! Its our missing Lithomancer!
Her new abilities stink of a very familiar planeswalker we all know. She seems to have been warped by the same force. Man, is Tibalt really that strong? I'm betting he has some kind of power behind him feeding his abilities and magnifying them. Has Tibalt become a Thrall of Emrakul? We know that the ELdrazi keeps thralls, such as the vampires on Zendikar.
If Tibalt is now at the head of some tentacle-worshipping cult, biding his time and building up his power to help sow chaos on Innistrad, it may explain the sequence of events that are unfolding.
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Since Nahiri is the ''Harbinger'' though, they may be in the same team, unkowningly to each other, just fulfilling their own agendas.
I always categorized Tilbalt as a pawn/second-in command/side villain, than the actual mastermind in fact, this is why i find it hard to accept this fiction of yours.
It may not have been his intention, but that Insurrection he fired off apparently has some AOE, it even affected some humans near his intended target. The effect seems to follow her around though, once she'd left the mother and child behind they no longer felt the.... rage.
Yes, it may also be due to her own internal anger. Looking at what she did to the manor though, I'm not too sure that's just Nahiri being angry. You confront someone for an epic battle if you're mad at them for breaking a promise, going to their home and eliminating their bloodline? That's kinda crazy.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
For breaking a promise, and allowing the Eldrazi to wreak havoc on Zendikar. The later part's seems to be the main thing. See Structural Distortion
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Imo if the Helvault is a "piece of the moon" then I feel that Nahiri could be trying to bring out what is in the moon to kill it. On the other hand maybe she is pissed at what happened to Zendikar and is trying to get payback at someone who is likely the cause. Then again, I doubt she would believe he is dumb enough to release them although I guess he did have some small part in that fiasco.
I guess Tibalt could be an instigator but I have too much faith in Nahiri to believe she just wants to kill anyone without a supremely good reason.
Another potential option is that Sorin has already recruited her for help but then Markov manor makes little sense although you could say they were getting in her way, obnoxiously.
That does strike me as crazy, though. I mean, yes, he didnt show up. If she'd come to his home plane and found him leaisurely sipping a glass of wine, I could understand. But he was missing entirely... to go off kilter and just murder his whole family seems at least a little hasty.
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It goes back further than that, in the original sealing of the Eldrazi, Nahiri resents the decision of her homeworld as the place of the sealing, given the effects it would have (i.e. the roil). Then, years later, she finds out that it didn't even work, it was all for little to nothing, the Eldrazi escape. So, while, yes, here reaction is extreme, it's somewhat understandable.
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You're basing your theories on shaky leaps in logic that are, in turn, based on assumptions made about how cards' mechanics work in-story, ignoring the possibility that gameplay and story segregation could be in effect here. And your entire theory hinges on the idea that Tibalt is still alive and on Innistrad, which we don't actually know for certain.
I respect your disagreement!
I still think there is a possibility here, and I don't see any leaps of logic! We know for sure Tibalt is able to apply coercive techniques to the mind, because that's the nature of his craft. He isn't always successful in getting what he wants, although he always inflicts pain, such as in Blightning's flavor text. So we know that he can do things to your brain. Has he grown powerful enough to warp an angel, and then every other being that angel comes in close proximity with? It seems like a huge upgrade. But I won't discount it either.
Of course it isn't canon. Its a theory, based on my imagination, by piecing together a few clues.
Don't take it too seriously, and do throw out your ideas as well, I love reading deductions!
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This fourth Eldrazi could even be the source of the moon's power over Innistrad in the first place. Jace has been gaining clues via Tamiyo's journal, and Tamiyo has been researching the moon for awhile now. One of the reasons I think it's a fourth Eldrazi is because Emrakul seems like it would be a relatively recent development to Innistrad.
Anyway, I'm not too familiar with Magic timelines, so maybe something else makes sense. I have to say though, Jace would be surprised to learn that Emrakul's power level is now over 9000 because of the "deaths" of Ulamog and Kozilek. Perhaps the gatewatch shouldn't have ignored Ugin's warning on Zendikar?
And that mental attack Avacyn suffered. It mentions "an image of many floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved into their sides", which seems a clear reference to hedrons, pointing to Nahiri as the culprit.
We're only a few days into preview weeks, and SOI is already saturated with characters: Tamiyo leaving clues that Jace is finding; Avacyn, Bruna, and Gisela going off the deep end, leaving Sigarda as the only sane one; Sorin coming in to destroy Avacyn; Nahiri on her rampage; Arlinn and Liliana, however they factor in to this; and I suspect that whatever it is Runo Stromkirk worships will have a role to play. And you're thinking that not only is Tibalt involved, but he's the chessmaster behind it all? Honestly, I'd bet that WotC has moved Tibalt offworld, just so that they don't have to dilute the story with his presence, explaining what he's up to while everything is going on.
Really, Ravnica is just aching for some Batman-style crimefighter shenanigans. Gideon and Jace are our Batman & Robin while Tibalt is our Joker. I guess that makes Vraska Poison Ivy?
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.