So we have two basic lands (#183 and #184) and 10 extra commons (as reported by Sam Stoddard). There are usually 10 Mythics, 35 rares and 60 uncommons in a small set. That leaves seven cards unaccounted for ....
7? 10 MR 35 R 60 U 70 C Fate reforged had 185 (ten basic lands) OGW has 184 it looks like there are 9 extra commons or they are taking away an uncommon and making it common. (I'm thinking Stoddard just rounded up)
So we have two basic lands (#183 and #184) and 10 extra commons (as reported by Sam Stoddard). There are usually 10 Mythics, 35 rares and 60 uncommons in a small set. That leaves seven cards unaccounted for ....
C'mon, Urza Lands! (Not gonna happen, but that would be a beautiful Christmas present.)
7? 10 MR 35 R 60 U 70 C Fate reforged had 185 (ten basic lands) OGW has 184 it looks like there are 9 extra commons or they are taking away an uncommon and making it common. (I'm thinking Stoddard just rounded up)
Per official announcement, there are 184 cards in Oath.
Now my questions are about Eye of Ugin, i just ask this in facebook
" If i have Eye of Ugin in play, can i cast new Kozilek only for 8 generic mana ? I understand based in the new rules that the (2) from Eye of Ugin will be now <><> less to cast an Eldrazi right?"
So the errata only apply to "add (2)"->"add <><>", but no "cost less (2)"-> "cost less <><>" ?
Correct.
Works in a similar way as Edgewalker, it reduces the Colored portion, not the generic portion. Reducing the Generic portion of a spell, won't reduce it's colored/colorless requirements.
That would be a functional errata. Let's assume they do not do that and thus still have it reduce the generic portion of the cost of a card.
Using Edgewalker was probably a bad idea, but there's no functional errata there.
Simply meant to say. Eye of Ugin will not reduce <> costs, but will reduce the generic cost.
7? 10 MR 35 R 60 U 70 C Fate reforged had 185 (ten basic lands) OGW has 184 it looks like there are 9 extra commons or they are taking away an uncommon and making it common. (I'm thinking Stoddard just rounded up)
Per official announcement, there are 184 cards in Oath.
That's what I said. 184 cards in OGW 10 mythic 35 rare 60 uncommon 70 common equals 175 there are 9 cards leftover from what you're saying Same Stoddard reported those 9 are most like commons and when he said there are an extra 10 commons he was probably rounding up from 9.
Wait does that mean sphere of resistance makes all spells cost 1 <> more and not 1 generic mana more?
Most likely anything that currently produces colorless mana will receive errata to produce <>. Anything that makes spells cost X more will just make it cost generic mana (so any color, or colorless, can pay for it). Taxing effects such as Sphere of Resistance remain unchanged in functionality.
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You could print a mana leak that said counter target spell unless it's controller pays <C><C> and that card at 1U would be hideously busted even at UU it would be busted as most lands don't tap for colorless/it's a hard counterspell almost all the time.
If sphere of resistance and its ilk required you to pay <C> more it would bust those cards in half in the formats they were present in. Shops in vintage for example though weakened due to the restriction of chalice of the void would become busted in half in 2 seconds and playing a game of vintage against it would be the epitome of unfun (although to some it already is that I suppose this would make it completely unbearable.) Sphere effects will continue to be generic mana/mana of any color + the new kind of mana in <C>.
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I don't find it confusing at all. The only thing odd about all this to me is the lack of a basic type for wastes.
It is very clear that the only cards that will receive errata are the ones that add mana, and everything else will stay as it always was: generic mana. I don't understand why people are asking 'what about sphere of resistance?', 'what about goblinslide?', etc. Folks, EVERYTHING that is asking you to pay for a cost is GENERIC MANA, everything that is adding mana to your pool and used to be {1} is now COLORLESS MANA. Really it is pretty simple.
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I don't find it confusing at all. The only thing odd about all this to me is the lack of a basic type for wastes.
It is very clear that the only cards that will receive errata are the ones that add mana, and everything else will stay as it always was: generic mana. I don't understand why people are asking 'what about sphere of resistance?', 'what about goblinslide?', etc. Folks, EVERYTHING that is asking you to pay for a cost is GENERIC MANA, everything that is adding mana to your pool and used to be {1} is now COLORLESS MANA. Really it is pretty simple.
THIS. Casting costs in the past will not be changed. Mana generation will be. In the future, casting costs that must be paid with colorless mana, rather than generic mana, will be denoted as <>
Obviously, it has to explictly have rules text that says "{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool." The idea that only a typeless basic land produces {C} has been crossed off the list by that comment about how Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth interacting with it.
I suspect there will be a dust-art version and the already known bismuth-art version.
Which was posted several comments back.
What bothers me is that you could have OGW boosters with four or five lands: the classic basic land, both wastes, some uncommon land and a manland, for example. That seems like an awful pack for limited.
That was actually possible in Khans (refuge lands, tri land, fetch land, basic). That format worked out quite well I believe. Granted, fixing was more important, but I don't think 'oops all lands' packs were really a problem.
This probably means we won't be seeing a card that uses both <> and ingest, or even that they could cut ingest from OGW to focus more on Kozilek and his brood.
I get it, like I said you have to use colorless mana < > to cast this guy, meaning a forest can't be used in the < > ; part because it makes green mana. In a deck you would hypothetically need 8 of any colored mana and 2 colorless, so right now it's filters and wastes, not to mention some of the ugin land from khans block! (Regarding standard)
Since you brought up a couple rainbow lands, I'm still hoping they've come up with a "mana of any color" symbol, too. It doesn't have the same ambiguity that the {1} / {1} distinction had, but it would be a space saver.
That's what I said. 184 cards in OGW 10 mythic 35 rare 60 uncommon 70 common equals 175 there are 9 cards leftover from what you're saying Same Stoddard reported those 9 are most like commons and when he said there are an extra 10 commons he was probably rounding up from 9.
I took Journey into Nyx as the default for commons (60 commons of 165 cards), you are taking Fate Reforged as the default (70 commons of 185 cards)
If you're right, maybe it could be a print sheet of 77 x 1 + 2 x 22 = 121
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Spoiler Editor7? 10 MR 35 R 60 U 70 C Fate reforged had 185 (ten basic lands) OGW has 184 it looks like there are 9 extra commons or they are taking away an uncommon and making it common. (I'm thinking Stoddard just rounded up)
C'mon, Urza Lands! (Not gonna happen, but that would be a beautiful Christmas present.)
Per official announcement, there are 184 cards in Oath.
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Using Edgewalker was probably a bad idea, but there's no functional errata there.
Simply meant to say. Eye of Ugin will not reduce <> costs, but will reduce the generic cost.
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Spoiler EditorThat's what I said. 184 cards in OGW 10 mythic 35 rare 60 uncommon 70 common equals 175 there are 9 cards leftover from what you're saying Same Stoddard reported those 9 are most like commons and when he said there are an extra 10 commons he was probably rounding up from 9.
I've been watching the posts on the Facebook feed and this couldn't be more true haha
There was, it just never mattered. Now it does.
I guess some of us are going to spend half the time at OWG prerelease explaining this.
Force Colorless Spike U
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Counter target spell unless it's controller pays <C>
You could print a mana leak that said counter target spell unless it's controller pays <C><C> and that card at 1U would be hideously busted even at UU it would be busted as most lands don't tap for colorless/it's a hard counterspell almost all the time.
If sphere of resistance and its ilk required you to pay <C> more it would bust those cards in half in the formats they were present in. Shops in vintage for example though weakened due to the restriction of chalice of the void would become busted in half in 2 seconds and playing a game of vintage against it would be the epitome of unfun (although to some it already is that I suppose this would make it completely unbearable.) Sphere effects will continue to be generic mana/mana of any color + the new kind of mana in <C>.
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It is very clear that the only cards that will receive errata are the ones that add mana, and everything else will stay as it always was: generic mana. I don't understand why people are asking 'what about sphere of resistance?', 'what about goblinslide?', etc. Folks, EVERYTHING that is asking you to pay for a cost is GENERIC MANA, everything that is adding mana to your pool and used to be {1} is now COLORLESS MANA. Really it is pretty simple.
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THIS. Casting costs in the past will not be changed. Mana generation will be. In the future, casting costs that must be paid with colorless mana, rather than generic mana, will be denoted as <>
Obviously, it has to explictly have rules text that says "{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool." The idea that only a typeless basic land produces {C} has been crossed off the list by that comment about how Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth interacting with it.
That was actually possible in Khans (refuge lands, tri land, fetch land, basic). That format worked out quite well I believe. Granted, fixing was more important, but I don't think 'oops all lands' packs were really a problem.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/134995414593/i-have-a-question-about-the-oath-of-the-gatewatch
This probably means we won't be seeing a card that uses both <> and ingest, or even that they could cut ingest from OGW to focus more on Kozilek and his brood.
Since you brought up a couple rainbow lands, I'm still hoping they've come up with a "mana of any color" symbol, too. It doesn't have the same ambiguity that the {1} / {1} distinction had, but it would be a space saver.
I took Journey into Nyx as the default for commons (60 commons of 165 cards), you are taking Fate Reforged as the default (70 commons of 185 cards)
If you're right, maybe it could be a print sheet of 77 x 1 + 2 x 22 = 121