The Excavator had Limited relevance, being a creature and in an environment with a bunch of lands that could sacrifice or discard themselves.
So what? WotC prints terrible limited cards at rare literally every set. I opened two(!) of that stupid Sentinel Tower during the Battlebond pre-release, and that card is just straight unplayable in limited. Crucible is not a mythic effect, therefore it should not be mythic.
So what? WotC prints terrible limited cards at rare literally every set. I opened two(!) of that stupid Sentinel Tower during the Battlebond pre-release, and that card is just straight unplayable in limited. Crucible is not a mythic effect, therefore it should not be mythic.
To be fair Sentinel Tower could win you games, it punish your opponents for playing combat tricks or counterspells on your turn, it's a slow advantage I give you that but it's an advantage nontheless. Damage win games, playing lands from the graveyard does not, unless there is some land that has a sacrifice effect in the set. Crucible of Worlds is mythic because money, that's all.
The Excavator had Limited relevance, being a creature and in an environment with a bunch of lands that could sacrifice or discard themselves.
So what? WotC prints terrible limited cards at rare literally every set. I opened two(!) of that stupid Sentinel Tower during the Battlebond pre-release, and that card is just straight unplayable in limited. Crucible is not a mythic effect, therefore it should not be mythic.
Crucible is a mythic effect. Colorless land recursion that isn’t a creature? Excavator being rare justifies this at Mythic, not the other way around.
They are pretty light on mechanics but we've recently had convoke, bloodthirst, double faced cards, hexproof was first printed in a core set, scry was first revisited in core before becoming deciduous and the list goes on.
I'd expect to see something minor, mechanically speaking. At least one mechanic.
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Palladia-Mors has a surprisingly memory intensive ability. I guess WotC are more comfortable with players using tokens to mark stuff even when it's not indicated by the game. The card itself is very good and could be a great control finisher except for its colors.
Elvish Clan caller is cool but slow and fragile. Fetching one lord after the other can be easily disrupted.
I wish I could've seen into the future before that monster of a trade I had to make for my Crucible of Worlds half a year ago lol.
I like that elvish clancaller basically has the green version of cloning built into itself. It's actually a really cool ability for a tribe lord.
Palladia is ok I guess. She's a simple beater with a small defense mechanism like Darigaaz. Nothing wrong with it I guess but nothing that earns a spot in a good The Ur-Dragon build. So far, the original elder dragons still have nothing on Tarkir's elder dragons.
I like how they kept Palladia-Mors as a big beater with flying and trample like her original card, as well as giving her a few new abilities to boot.
Yeah, but almost all of the original elder dragon legends were really boring. Vaevictis Asmadi just had "pretty color-flexible firebreathing", and he/she turned into a pretty sweet polymorpher. Hopefully this is the only one that's just a bunch of keywords.
This coreset is shaping up very well and exactly why I love coresets. Maybe it's just me but they tend to have far more playable cards then regular sets. That elf look pretty neat and I think I will have to find room for it in my deck.
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Wow, Crucible at Mythic? Looks like we have a Strip Mine reprint for Limited guys
We do have Scapeshift. I do however expect the try-hards still insisting M19 is low-power to say we should have both at uncommon, or better, common!
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Love the Crucible reprint. Hate the upshift to mythic. WotC doesn't pay attention to the secondary market though right.
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As a crucible owner I am happy about the reprint. $60 is just way too much to ask new commander players to pay. That elf is effin sweet. Can easily get out of control I immagin this will be a staple for some brand of modern elves since it's a way to win after board whipes and can even isulate you from anger. This set has got me hyped with the return of classic creature types.
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Glad to see Crucible of Worlds finally get a non-invention reprint, but feelsbadman to see it at mythic. The effect isn't really mythic, and we know this because we just got Ramunap Excavator at rare. Come on, WotC.
How is opening a $50 bill, on a ~$4 investment, a “feel bad”? Other than the fact it won’t happen often...
Sheesh, it could rain $100 bills from the sky and people would still complain about something.
It's a feel bad, because it is unlikely that you could get $50 out of a single $4 purchase. Most people can buy $50 worth of booster packs and not get the chase card (I know I have). It's not an "investment" at all if you're buying a booster pack with no idea what is in it. With an investment, you know the item you are purchasing and have presumably done the research. Buying a booster pack is a "loot box" purchase.
Unfortunately, it also seems that Wizard's solution to Modern reprints is to upshift rarity on most staples to preserve their reprint equity.
Glad to see Crucible of Worlds finally get a non-invention reprint, but feelsbadman to see it at mythic. The effect isn't really mythic, and we know this because we just got Ramunap Excavator at rare. Come on, WotC.
How is opening a $50 bill, on a ~$4 investment, a “feel bad”? Other than the fact it won’t happen often...
Sheesh, it could rain $100 bills from the sky and people would still complain about something.
Think about the math for a second. You have to make 83 "$4 investments" just to have a 50% chance to open one, or you could just buy it for $50 on the secondary market. Either way, that's expensive.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
At this point, I'm just waiting on the Training Grounds reprint in this set.
Unfortunately I think Training Grounds is crunched out... (according to Name + Number Crunch)
(I'm right there with you in eagerly waiting for a reprint for that card)
Glad to see Crucible of Worlds finally get a non-invention reprint, but feelsbadman to see it at mythic. The effect isn't really mythic, and we know this because we just got Ramunap Excavator at rare. Come on, WotC.
Wizards are wisely letting the card maintain some value. It hasn't been printed since 10th edition (apart from inventions). The $65 price point would tank to $5-$10 at best as a rare. Card won't be played in standard, hardly sees any play in modern or any format for that matter other than EDH I suppose. On top of that the printings it's had have been extremely limited compared to the print sizes now. The price is still going to plummet even as a mythic.
Glad to see Crucible of Worlds finally get a non-invention reprint, but feelsbadman to see it at mythic. The effect isn't really mythic, and we know this because we just got Ramunap Excavator at rare. Come on, WotC.
How is opening a $50 bill, on a ~$4 investment, a “feel bad”? Other than the fact it won’t happen often...
Sheesh, it could rain $100 bills from the sky and people would still complain about something.
It's a feel bad, because it is unlikely that you could get $50 out of a single $4 purchase. Most people can buy $50 worth of booster packs and not get the chase card (I know I have). It's not an "investment" at all if you're buying a booster pack with no idea what is in it. With an investment, you know the item you are purchasing and have presumably done the research. Buying a booster pack is a "loot box" purchase.
Unfortunately, it also seems that Wizard's solution to Modern reprints is to upshift rarity on most staples to preserve their reprint equity.
Extra! Extra! Playing the Booster Lottery is Stupid!
The fact of the matter is that for ~$4, not $7, you can open a pack of cards and get a card(or in this case, 2 cards) whose current value is north of $50.
Like I said, they could have just not reprinted it at all. You have you’re logic twisted here, along with what I said. If you go to your corner store, and spend $4, and you pull a $50 bill out of it. How is that a feelbad? A “feelbad” would be opening Apex of Power in this set. Or, Past in Flames out of a $7 booster.
You know what else is a feelbad? Drafting and pulling multiple copies of either non-standard chase card in this set because they both suck in that setting. Or, as a strictly standard player(which coincidently is what this set is designed for) being able to get either of these for cheap, when instead a format defining staple was pushed to Mythic.
Who cares what it is reprinted at. If the sets good, people will buy packs(and so far, it looks like it will do well) and it introduces more copies of non-standard players into the Wild reducing its overall street cost. All the while still making sure the card retains some value so the people who formed over big bucks to begin with aren’t regretting their decision.
Fact is, people need something to complain about. This is the easiest thing to complain about, as it takes zero effort. I guess wizards should just stick to putting high profile cards in supplemental and masters sets, then prices will only increase, validating your complaint.
Thank heavens I've ben want crucible of worlds for like forever it will plummet in price for sure since this is in the catergory of small amount available for reason I mean very little play in modern it's mythic for a reason the excavator is rare because creatures are easier to remove than artifacts
And scapeshift is the same boat only due to small print amount and not much modern play
Glad both of these are going to fall from space price range and go back to earth price
And Palladia-Mors, the Ruiner pretty much confirms a cycle of the original elder dragons from legends I wonder what Arcades Sabboth and Chromium Rhuell are going to do?
"The most vicious of her kin" doesn't really seem to fit naya colors. Also, obligatory excitement about Crucible. I've been wanting a few for a while now.
Wizards are wisely letting the card maintain some value. It hasn't been printed since 10th edition (apart from inventions). The $65 price point would tank to $5-$10 at best as a rare. Card won't be played in standard, hardly sees any play in modern or any format for that matter other than EDH I suppose. On top of that the printings it's had have been extremely limited compared to the print sizes now. The price is still going to plummet even as a mythic.
You make it sound like Crucible of Worlds being reasonably priced is a bad thing for some reason. So what if it drops to a $5? That just means people that actually want one can get it. Also I think you're overestimating how much Core sets get opened. They are consistently one of the lowest performing sets (sales wise) every time they're printed which is part of the reason they got shelved and their mythics tend to retain a good amount of value over time.
Sliver
Exalted
Convoke
Just to name a few...
To be fair Sentinel Tower could win you games, it punish your opponents for playing combat tricks or counterspells on your turn, it's a slow advantage I give you that but it's an advantage nontheless. Damage win games, playing lands from the graveyard does not, unless there is some land that has a sacrifice effect in the set.
Crucible of Worlds is mythic because money, that's all.
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Crucible is a mythic effect. Colorless land recursion that isn’t a creature? Excavator being rare justifies this at Mythic, not the other way around.
They are pretty light on mechanics but we've recently had convoke, bloodthirst, double faced cards, hexproof was first printed in a core set, scry was first revisited in core before becoming deciduous and the list goes on.
I'd expect to see something minor, mechanically speaking. At least one mechanic.
Elvish Clan caller is cool but slow and fragile. Fetching one lord after the other can be easily disrupted.
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I like that elvish clancaller basically has the green version of cloning built into itself. It's actually a really cool ability for a tribe lord.
Palladia is ok I guess. She's a simple beater with a small defense mechanism like Darigaaz. Nothing wrong with it I guess but nothing that earns a spot in a good The Ur-Dragon build. So far, the original elder dragons still have nothing on Tarkir's elder dragons.
Yeah, but almost all of the original elder dragon legends were really boring. Vaevictis Asmadi just had "pretty color-flexible firebreathing", and he/she turned into a pretty sweet polymorpher. Hopefully this is the only one that's just a bunch of keywords.
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UW Miracle Control
We do have Scapeshift. I do however expect the try-hards still insisting M19 is low-power to say we should have both at uncommon, or better, common!
On phasing:
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It's a feel bad, because it is unlikely that you could get $50 out of a single $4 purchase. Most people can buy $50 worth of booster packs and not get the chase card (I know I have). It's not an "investment" at all if you're buying a booster pack with no idea what is in it. With an investment, you know the item you are purchasing and have presumably done the research. Buying a booster pack is a "loot box" purchase.
Unfortunately, it also seems that Wizard's solution to Modern reprints is to upshift rarity on most staples to preserve their reprint equity.
Think about the math for a second. You have to make 83 "$4 investments" just to have a 50% chance to open one, or you could just buy it for $50 on the secondary market. Either way, that's expensive.
Unfortunately I think Training Grounds is crunched out... (according to Name + Number Crunch)
(I'm right there with you in eagerly waiting for a reprint for that card)
Wizards are wisely letting the card maintain some value. It hasn't been printed since 10th edition (apart from inventions). The $65 price point would tank to $5-$10 at best as a rare. Card won't be played in standard, hardly sees any play in modern or any format for that matter other than EDH I suppose. On top of that the printings it's had have been extremely limited compared to the print sizes now. The price is still going to plummet even as a mythic.
Extra! Extra! Playing the Booster Lottery is Stupid!
The fact of the matter is that for ~$4, not $7, you can open a pack of cards and get a card(or in this case, 2 cards) whose current value is north of $50.
Like I said, they could have just not reprinted it at all. You have you’re logic twisted here, along with what I said. If you go to your corner store, and spend $4, and you pull a $50 bill out of it. How is that a feelbad? A “feelbad” would be opening Apex of Power in this set. Or, Past in Flames out of a $7 booster.
You know what else is a feelbad? Drafting and pulling multiple copies of either non-standard chase card in this set because they both suck in that setting. Or, as a strictly standard player(which coincidently is what this set is designed for) being able to get either of these for cheap, when instead a format defining staple was pushed to Mythic.
Who cares what it is reprinted at. If the sets good, people will buy packs(and so far, it looks like it will do well) and it introduces more copies of non-standard players into the Wild reducing its overall street cost. All the while still making sure the card retains some value so the people who formed over big bucks to begin with aren’t regretting their decision.
Fact is, people need something to complain about. This is the easiest thing to complain about, as it takes zero effort. I guess wizards should just stick to putting high profile cards in supplemental and masters sets, then prices will only increase, validating your complaint.
And scapeshift is the same boat only due to small print amount and not much modern play
Glad both of these are going to fall from space price range and go back to earth price
And Palladia-Mors, the Ruiner pretty much confirms a cycle of the original elder dragons from legends I wonder what Arcades Sabboth and Chromium Rhuell are going to do?
... and then getting nothing to keep returning other than Evolving Wilds...
... yup, sounds like the sealed pool I'll be getting...
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