Doesn't this only partially hose tron as the other lands still see Urza's Tower on the battlefield and still produce 2? The tower would loze it's type and ability but not it's name, otherwise this enchantment would stop working. So an opponent would still have 5 mana with tron and you would just color fix any spells they have like nature's claim. This just seems bad compared to blood moon.
Doesn't this only partially hose tron as the other lands still see Urza's Tower on the battlefield and still produce 2? The tower would loze it's type and ability but not it's name, otherwise this enchantment would stop working. So an opponent would still have 5 mana with tron and you would just color fix any spells they have like nature's claim. This just seems bad compared to blood moon.
The Tron lands work by land sub-type and not name. Urza's Tower has the subtype Urza's Tower which it loses with this land so this will break up Tron entirely.
Awesome card. This goes straight into the sideboard of my Bushwhacker Zoo deck as a piece to bring in against Tron, Affinity, Deaths Shadow, Storm, GBx, Eldrazi, D&T, Scapeshift and Various control lists. It can be the piece of hate i need without the severe tempo loss of opther 2 and 3 cmc spells which the deck would otherwise suffer from in terms of speed. Now i need to find a foil version.
Doesn't this only partially hose tron as the other lands still see Urza's Tower on the battlefield and still produce 2? The tower would loze it's type and ability but not it's name, otherwise this enchantment would stop working. So an opponent would still have 5 mana with tron and you would just color fix any spells they have like nature's claim. This just seems bad compared to blood moon.
The Tron lands work by land sub-type and not name. Urza's Tower has the subtype Urza's Tower which it loses with this land so this will break up Tron entirely.
Ahhh, I have only ever seen the original cards, I didn't realize they changed how they work.
Doesn't this only partially hose tron as the other lands still see Urza's Tower on the battlefield and still produce 2? The tower would loze it's type and ability but not it's name, otherwise this enchantment would stop working. So an opponent would still have 5 mana with tron and you would just color fix any spells they have like nature's claim. This just seems bad compared to blood moon.
No, this stops Tron, the ability checks the lands type not the name so a Tower under Alpine Moon's effect is no longer a Urza's Tower (type)
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again"
It’s weird how they have it look at the card subtype rather than the name. They could easily change the oracle text, remove the land subtype, and make them “If you control a land named...” and it would work. But as others said, it hoses it because of the land subtype shennanigans.
The fact it turns the land into a rainbow land hurts sooooo bad.
this card is painfully narrow. It doesn't even work against fetch lands it just makes them better and saves your opponent the trouble of payinga life and sacrificing it.
Right? Wish they would stop printing these sideboard cards at Rare. Going to feel super bad opening these in a tourny.
Right!? We got Damping Sphere at uncommon and that card kills two birds with one stone, I felt like that's all we needed. Not really sure why they felt they had to give us a second, more narrow hoser, that only fits in a specific colored deck, at rare.
Also, since when can red produce mana of any color, isn't that a green thing? I thought red just turned things to mountains...
Is there any meat to the idea that on top of Tron this is also there for Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin? (or, if the other flip lands gain any traction post rotation)
Right? Wish they would stop printing these sideboard cards at Rare. Going to feel super bad opening these in a tourny.
Right!? We got Damping Sphere at uncommon and that card kills two birds with one stone, I felt like that's all we needed. Not really sure why they felt they had to give us a second, more narrow hoser, that only fits in a specific colored deck, at rare.
Also, since when can red produce mana of any color, isn't that a green thing? I thought red just turned things to mountains...
Yeah... that mystifies me a bit too. I'm still trying to decide if this card will make a splash in my meta and whether I need to include a few more Disenchant spells in my decks.
But more to the point, I feel that this card is in preparation for what we might see in the upcoming Ravnica sets. Wouldn't color fixing be especially crucial in Ravnica? In that scenario, I can see why it gives the opponent their choice of mana. There's probably some nasty lands WotC wants insurance against.
this card is painfully narrow. It doesn't even work against fetch lands it just makes them better and saves your opponent the trouble of payinga life and sacrificing it.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Theoretically colorless Tron decks could actually set aside a slot or two in your sideboard for Nature's Claim or Disenchant or any other off one color card in their sideboard (without messing with their mana base) as a hedge against Alpine Moon coming in Game 2 or 3 vs. certain decks.
A Path, Push, Bolt in my EldraziTron deck sideboard could be fun. Yes this is really narrow, and highly conditional.
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
It hates out utility lands, and only utility lands.
I guess a Prismatic Omen for one basic land type would be OP.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Right? Wish they would stop printing these sideboard cards at Rare. Going to feel super bad opening these in a tourny.
You'd rather open more of them at uncommon? Not that I mind the card personally, but I always question the logic of the "why is this at rare?" crowd. Pray tell, where is it supposed to be?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I wish they just made a triple red crumble to dust. But that would be too powerful? I just wish they stop printing bad moon effects to squeeze out which one is the most effective Tron hate card and actually deal with the problem.
I wish they just made a triple red crumble to dust. But that would be too powerful? I just wish they stop printing bad moon effects to squeeze out which one is the most effective Tron hate card and actually deal with the problem.
While I agree, in principle, there is something to be said for being able to come back from hate cards. People dislike things like Choke, or Boil, or Blood Moon because it can make it a non-game. This turning on Nature's Claim just allows for that back and forth.
Not to throw the tin foil hat on, but between Blood Sun, Damping Matrix, and this, we're just testing out the correct hate for Modern so they can go ahead and ban Blood Moon? I can't think of any other reason for all this land hate that just feels weird through a standard lens. I mean, Damping Matrix wasn't answering a problem anyone in Standard had, and seemed specific in its anti-Urza/Storm hate.
this card is painfully narrow. It doesn't even work against fetch lands it just makes them better and saves your opponent the trouble of payinga life and sacrificing it.
Right? Wish they would stop printing these sideboard cards at Rare. Going to feel super bad opening these in a tourny.
Right!? We got Damping Sphere at uncommon and that card kills two birds with one stone, I felt like that's all we needed. Not really sure why they felt they had to give us a second, more narrow hoser, that only fits in a specific colored deck, at rare.
Also, since when can red produce mana of any color, isn't that a green thing? I thought red just turned things to mountains...
My guess is that Blood Moon is a massive design fail (apparently this was a card the community wanted to see in 9th edition - guess at the time it didn't really hit that many non-basics and was just a "cool card").
Wit the printing of blood sun and this, they are trying to keep "moon" type of effects in Modern (or whatever format will come after that) without having a terribly designed card like blood moon exist.
The problem with moon is that it creates a bunch of non-games and that's not the philosophy that's currently occupying the business. However, they likely recognize that decks like Tron need to exist but without them existing in a world where Blood Moon is justified. So by printing easily splashable hate like Alpine, it hurts decks like Tron without creating the non games.
Additionally, Blood Moon causes, what is in essence, your non-basics to tap for colorless (it's not like that red mana does anything else for the decks in which blood moon is good). Alpine solves this issue by giving it the ability to tap for any colored mana, which removes the potential for total non-games for decks that want to play 4 color good stuff.
My best guess is that Blood Moon is likely on the chopping block in the near future. Or heck, 8th/9th Edition as a whole as it doesn't fit the whole "new borders" format and all.
What makes this decent as well is that it's decent in multiples. It's a pretty good design, to be honest.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
The Tron lands work by land sub-type and not name. Urza's Tower has the subtype Urza's Tower which it loses with this land so this will break up Tron entirely.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Ahhh, I have only ever seen the original cards, I didn't realize they changed how they work.
No, this stops Tron, the ability checks the lands type not the name so a Tower under Alpine Moon's effect is no longer a Urza's Tower (type)
The fact it turns the land into a rainbow land hurts sooooo bad.
This looks really nice.
N/A
Modern:
Grishoalbrand / Grixis Death's Shadow / Jeskai Control / UW Control
Right!? We got Damping Sphere at uncommon and that card kills two birds with one stone, I felt like that's all we needed. Not really sure why they felt they had to give us a second, more narrow hoser, that only fits in a specific colored deck, at rare.
Also, since when can red produce mana of any color, isn't that a green thing? I thought red just turned things to mountains...
GWUBRDraft my Old Border Nostalgia Cube! and/or The Little Pauper Cube That Could!RBUWG
Modern:WDeath & TaxesW | RUGRUG DelverRUG
Yeah... that mystifies me a bit too. I'm still trying to decide if this card will make a splash in my meta and whether I need to include a few more Disenchant spells in my decks.
But more to the point, I feel that this card is in preparation for what we might see in the upcoming Ravnica sets. Wouldn't color fixing be especially crucial in Ravnica? In that scenario, I can see why it gives the opponent their choice of mana. There's probably some nasty lands WotC wants insurance against.
What if the lifeloss was needed? (deaths shadow)
What if you could cut a deck from colorless this way? (Eldrazi & Taxes and various other eldrazi decks)
It becomes problematic when facing eldrazitron. This deck can function on temples alone or tron.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Spoiler season: when this site becomes a running internet joke for three weeks.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
Theoretically colorless Tron decks could actually set aside a slot or two in your sideboard for Nature's Claim or Disenchant or any other off one color card in their sideboard (without messing with their mana base) as a hedge against Alpine Moon coming in Game 2 or 3 vs. certain decks.
A Path, Push, Bolt in my EldraziTron deck sideboard could be fun. Yes this is really narrow, and highly conditional.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
I guess a Prismatic Omen for one basic land type would be OP.
On phasing:
You'd rather open more of them at uncommon? Not that I mind the card personally, but I always question the logic of the "why is this at rare?" crowd. Pray tell, where is it supposed to be?
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I wish they just made a triple red crumble to dust. But that would be too powerful? I just wish they stop printing bad moon effects to squeeze out which one is the most effective Tron hate card and actually deal with the problem.
While I agree, in principle, there is something to be said for being able to come back from hate cards. People dislike things like Choke, or Boil, or Blood Moon because it can make it a non-game. This turning on Nature's Claim just allows for that back and forth.
EDIT: Oh and the art is awesome.
Spirits
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
My guess is that Blood Moon is a massive design fail (apparently this was a card the community wanted to see in 9th edition - guess at the time it didn't really hit that many non-basics and was just a "cool card").
Wit the printing of blood sun and this, they are trying to keep "moon" type of effects in Modern (or whatever format will come after that) without having a terribly designed card like blood moon exist.
The problem with moon is that it creates a bunch of non-games and that's not the philosophy that's currently occupying the business. However, they likely recognize that decks like Tron need to exist but without them existing in a world where Blood Moon is justified. So by printing easily splashable hate like Alpine, it hurts decks like Tron without creating the non games.
Additionally, Blood Moon causes, what is in essence, your non-basics to tap for colorless (it's not like that red mana does anything else for the decks in which blood moon is good). Alpine solves this issue by giving it the ability to tap for any colored mana, which removes the potential for total non-games for decks that want to play 4 color good stuff.
My best guess is that Blood Moon is likely on the chopping block in the near future. Or heck, 8th/9th Edition as a whole as it doesn't fit the whole "new borders" format and all.
What makes this decent as well is that it's decent in multiples. It's a pretty good design, to be honest.