Anyway, Zombie interactions are neat. Her ultimate is notable for being one of the few you can fire off from the get-go, and for being cheaper than he second ability.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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A mythic, a planeswalker, ... and can be totally unplayable in limited. That's quite the feat. You need a minimum count of playable zombies in your deck, otherwise she does literally nothing. At all. A planeswalker so narrow does not feel like aplaneswalker to me.
Edit: for the comparison with Sarkhan: his first ability works without dragons and his ultimates not only works but wins you the game in limited.
A mythic, a planeswalker, ... and can be totally unplayable in limited. That's quite the feat. You need a minimum count of playable zombies in your deck, otherwise she does literally nothing. At all. A planeswalker so narrow does not feel like aplaneswalker to me.
Edit: for the comparison with Sarkhan: his first ability works without dragons and his ultimates not only works but wins you the game in limited.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that by making planeswalkers like this one more restricted to a specific theme, it extends the already limited design space that planeswalkers have. If you keep making generic Lilianas, you'll quickly run out of design choices for the cards that won't end up looking pretty much the same as previous incarnations.
A mythic, a planeswalker, ... and can be totally unplayable in limited. That's quite the feat. You need a minimum count of playable zombies in your deck, otherwise she does literally nothing. At all. A planeswalker so narrow does not feel like aplaneswalker to me.
Edit: for the comparison with Sarkhan: his first ability works without dragons and his ultimates not only works but wins you the game in limited.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that by making planeswalkers like this one more restricted to a specific theme, it extends the already limited design space that planeswalkers have. If you keep making generic Lilianas, you'll quickly run out of design choices for the cards that won't end up looking pretty much the same as previous incarnations.
I agree. This is a fun card. Not all planeswalkers should have to be restricted to being playable in limited. It is a mythic after all and I could probably count on one hand the number of planeswalkers I've opened in a draft. Planeswalkers with unique and limited abilities are perfect for a core set that has double the number of planeswalkers as other sets. We are getting more than double the number of planeswalkers every year, there are bound to be some that are narrow to explore some of the unused design space they have not touched on before. I probably will never have a deck for her but I'm happy she exists.
If you're playing the Phyrexian Altar and cheap zombie game, this is just a more expensive redundant Gravecrawler. We've had 1-drop-zombie recursion engines before and they didn't cost 4.
Although, I suppose this could be Liliana in the past, considering Ajani, Tezzeret, and Sarkhan certainly seem to be playing that angle.
Almost definitely. I take it "Untouched by Death" is a reference how she just finished the contracts that allow her to avoid dying of old age and stying youthful. Her posture is all "Ain't I young and pretty again?" as well.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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Ugh. I don´t know why, but I really dislike tribal-specific planeswalkers.
I don't mind, as long as it's not block-specific, linear stuff. Stuff that's common enough to be classified as modular (+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters, multicolor, artifacts, lands) is fine, but if you give a bonus to allies or make a creature with infect, we have a problem. But that's more of a Vorthos thing; planeswalkers should know a hundred worlds. (And yes, Huatli's fine on these grounds, for now.)
For tribal planeswalkers, that would mean elves, zombies, and dragons are all fine, but something like "Servo creatures you control get +1/+1 and have first strike until end of turn." wouldn't be. Zombies especially, since they're emphasized on Grixis, Innistrad, and Amonkhet, and one of the more common creature types for both the Golgari Swarm and the Silumgar Brood.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
I would protest the Servo tribal part, but any planeswalker that works with Servos would just as likely support artifact creatures in general, since they're usually treated as a sort of super tribe anyway.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I think niche planeswalkers is a good move. I would rather have a PW playable in one or two archtypes then one that is not playable at all. And there's just so much design space for highly playable PWs, it's unreasonable to expect 2 per set or 5 in a core set.
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Liliana:...dammit, Bolas.
Although, I suppose this could be Liliana in the past, considering Ajani, Tezzeret, and Sarkhan certainly seem to be playing that angle. In more recent history, Liliana started dressing a little more modestly (we don't talk about that awkward Dark Realms phase).
Anyway, Zombie interactions are neat. Her ultimate is notable for being one of the few you can fire off from the get-go, and for being cheaper than he second ability.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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We have Diregraf Ghoul, that one 2/1 zombie for 1, and Stitcher's Supplier to fill out the 1 slot.
Stitcher's Supplier also helps fill up your yard.
We have Ammet Eternal for more oomph.
Death's Baron turns your 1 drops into nasty little buggers.
Isareth and Liliana to act as reanimation for your cheap zombies
Lili and Wayward servant help add more reach with drain.
Oh and we have Crucible of Worlds to pull any lands we dredge away
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
Edit: for the comparison with Sarkhan: his first ability works without dragons and his ultimates not only works but wins you the game in limited.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that by making planeswalkers like this one more restricted to a specific theme, it extends the already limited design space that planeswalkers have. If you keep making generic Lilianas, you'll quickly run out of design choices for the cards that won't end up looking pretty much the same as previous incarnations.
I agree. This is a fun card. Not all planeswalkers should have to be restricted to being playable in limited. It is a mythic after all and I could probably count on one hand the number of planeswalkers I've opened in a draft. Planeswalkers with unique and limited abilities are perfect for a core set that has double the number of planeswalkers as other sets. We are getting more than double the number of planeswalkers every year, there are bound to be some that are narrow to explore some of the unused design space they have not touched on before. I probably will never have a deck for her but I'm happy she exists.
If you're playing the Phyrexian Altar and cheap zombie game, this is just a more expensive redundant Gravecrawler. We've had 1-drop-zombie recursion engines before and they didn't cost 4.
Almost definitely. I take it "Untouched by Death" is a reference how she just finished the contracts that allow her to avoid dying of old age and stying youthful. Her posture is all "Ain't I young and pretty again?" as well.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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We have cabal stronghold, AND that tutor card that puts a card from the deck to the yard. That's something I guess
I don't mind, as long as it's not block-specific, linear stuff. Stuff that's common enough to be classified as modular (+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters, multicolor, artifacts, lands) is fine, but if you give a bonus to allies or make a creature with infect, we have a problem. But that's more of a Vorthos thing; planeswalkers should know a hundred worlds. (And yes, Huatli's fine on these grounds, for now.)
For tribal planeswalkers, that would mean elves, zombies, and dragons are all fine, but something like "Servo creatures you control get +1/+1 and have first strike until end of turn." wouldn't be. Zombies especially, since they're emphasized on Grixis, Innistrad, and Amonkhet, and one of the more common creature types for both the Golgari Swarm and the Silumgar Brood.
On phasing:
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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