I considered addressing that poster as you have, but then I realized that they, too, were not arguing in good faith and were otherwise unworthy of a cogent rebuttal. Surely you must have realized that yourself. So, I have only one question for you...
Sultai or Temur?
Would it be so wrong for him to be four color? His personality absolutely screams Grixis if you ask me. The only reason we would ever think he was green at all was the whole green vine thing, and that's a pretty good indication that he is green. Then again, we do need a replacement for Nicol Bolas...
Well he is a woodland critter. Green makes lots of sense. Personally I'd hope for Sultai since we've never had a Sultai walker. Temur would be fine. I would be very disapointed with Grixis since there are four existing grixis planeswalker cards plus a flip-walker.
If I were designing the character without any other considerations, I'd go with Temur, as that seems like the mischievous fae combination. But I think he's most likely got some black.
But he doesn't have to have every single color in his identity in his first apperance. Maybe he is BUGR, but his first card is just BG. There's plenty of precedent for that.
Everyone seems to assume he's blue, but red, green, and black really seem to fit him more. Jund wouldn't actually be crazy. He just doesn't fit the identity for Jund that Alara established.
I think the three vines he's shooting heavily imply that he's three colors. The color of the mysterious third vine is way more pink that purple to me. But pink is more suggestive of black to me than red. He seems as black as red to me, more black and red than green. My guess is that he'll always be blue and/or green and alternate between being black or red. Most likely his first appearance will be Sultai, and second Temur.
I’m really hoping he’s Sultai and that they finally start making more 3-color walkers.
Vivien screams GWB to me but she’s just mono-G?
Why hasn’t there been a WGR Ajani yet? Elspeth getting murdered wasn’t enough of a triggering moment somehow?
I'd go with BGU. If either Rowan or Will is part white, then that's all five colors covered.
Just because Ajani sought vengeance against Heliod and the other Gods doesn't mean he was heavily red. Mechanically, red doesn't make a lot of sense in his power suite. During Shards of Alara's story, he was part red, and you could easily justify him getting a RGW card then, but nowadays he's firmly white with green as his secondary color. Same deal with Huatli, though honestly I don't see why she can't still be RGW.
The problem with tricolor planeswalkers is that they go in fewer decks than mono and dual PWs. Commander is one of the best places to feature tricolor PWs, as there they can be commanders and thus serve the purpose of providing players with more multicolor options.
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My guess is Sultai for his color identity, but both Fey and shapeshifters are pretty blue so at the very least I think he's blue.
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The more i try to analyze him, the more i get confused so... i'll follow my guts, sultai.
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I’m really hoping he’s Sultai and that they finally start making more 3-color walkers.
Vivien screams GWB to me but she’s just mono-G?
Why hasn’t there been a WGR Ajani yet? Elspeth getting murdered wasn’t enough of a triggering moment somehow?
I quoted you here since my thoughts answer your question.
I think Oko will be three colored. Normally Wizards tends to stick to 1 to 2 colors for walkers for a few reasons. As mythic rare hard to get cards as well as the big face and marketing cards they like planeswalkers to stand a chance of being played in the basic draft/limited/standard area. Making them 3 colors can hinder this by limiting the number of decks they can play with unless we are in environments that they can flourish in (which is also why we don't tend to see too many 3 color legendary cards outside in main sets unless its shard or wedge themed). Bolas 1 and Sarkhan did ok since they were in environments where 3 colors where doing well. The commander walkers are headline commander decks which by nature love being multicolored and do indeed support the walkers. Finally I've read design notes on Bolas, in Amonkhet and Spark, and Tamiyo on the subject. It was mentioned that Bolas was a bit of pain to design, he wanted to be splashy and really hit hard so he tend to be higher mana costed. For a time he also was B(U/R) during spark since they didn't think we was gonna be played. For Tamiyo we had Jace, Kiora and (unknown to us at the time Dovin) all in nearly back to back sets which caused issues in walker color balance and number of decks they could play in so they made her 3 colors to limited how much she would see play.
I think right now we could handle a random tri-color walker. We just had Ravnica and M20 which had multicolored support/themes and war of the spark gave major boosters to walkers so even in 3 colors Oko might be nicely balanced. With standard having War they might also wanna limit walkers without necessarily depowering them. What might also help that similar to Tamiyo and investigate in SoI there might be a loose theme 3 color theme from a mechanic being focused in two different 2 color themes.
As for colors my thoughts from what we know of him;
He is a Fey, is a shapeshifter and
can use mind control magic
. These typically all fall under blue.
He is a shapeshifter and can use vine/nature magic so this leans to green.
Finally we have that he likes playing cruel pranks and hates tyrants. Personally this felt red to me. Red has tricksters and hates what it considers tyrants. To me this very much feels similar to both Chandra and Xenagos. Finally
He mentions not wanting to mind control Garruk, as it was one thing done to him in the past, but decided he needed to instead of simply killing which would fall in line more with red than black imo.
That said I can see black as well. Green could very well be a part of him that hate tyrants seeing them as unnatural with black as cruel pranks and such. Similarly to my eyes I see a more red/pink in the art where people are seeing purple, but I could see it being the purple they use for black mana sometimes.
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Yes, MCU and Star Wars are losing fans, that's why Avengers sold like crazy and I'm sure Star Wars is doing fine as well. *sighs* It's an extremely minority problem from altright sexist/homophobic/otherwise bigoted nerds that aren't worth catering to. If it really was causing financial devastation then companies would stop doing it. Surprisingly it is more profitable to expand your overall customer base than to appeal to a very small niche group.
Promoting your product to more people is always good, but you still have to be careful that you do not alienate your product to an existing crowd, just to replace them with others ; and putting in question how long term these new people are, or if they just jump on the next train and leave you stranding.
Is pathetic, insulting and completely rips any chance of discourse out of your argument, no matter what it is about.
Insulting people in any argument is a no-go , you wont get any results in life if you insult people based on their opinion or believe , especially if you think your arguments are just or right, you have to argue for them, not against the people.
A weak and shallow argument is often pushed by insulting and attacking people, as the argument cannot deliver on its own.
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Diversity is troublesome topic as its always pushing and attacking existing boundaries and basic principles of believe, which is an attack on some people you cannot just ignore ; and if you do, you do your own arguments for diversity a disfavor by valuing some people over others, instead of making them all equal, if both sides think themselves as superior and morally justified, its a fight nobody can win anything in, its all out bloodshed and someone bleeds out faster than the other. Its even more of an issue if attacks become personal, hurt family, friends, reputation and result in real life consequences that some people are even embracing and they celebrate themselves for destroying actual human beings, destroying families and lives, and they do all that under the mantle of "Social Justice" which is despicable and pure malicious (and downright borders to insanity and reality loss).
Simply put, the vast majority of people have opinions and all of them have to be somewhat respected, without insulting them.
Pushing this kind of "diversity" into a product is doomed to produce controversy, backlash and introduce a growing hate in people against that group that is tried to be pushed into the product, its so sensible that it can easily produce more problems than not doing it in the first place.
Good intentions can often lead to terrible mistakes, the question is if its worth doing it, or weighting the issues simply means you shouldnt do it.
At this point in time you have people that rally and embrace topics of diversity so much that they lost all connection to reality and want to push it and especially replace existing lore and characters with their ideology ; and they just demand that people accept and embrace these things as much as they do, and everyone that does not is insulted and attacked on a personal level.
Everyone is allowed to like or dislike anything, and based on that nobody should be insulted, attacked or any other way be argued on a personal level.
Discuss the topic, not the people discussing it.
The big issue with this is that you're assuming that there is any merit in an argument with someone on this topic when they're against diversity. There isn't. Even if I could provide hard evidence that Magic has only grown as a company and it directly relates to diversity (I believe the most I could do is a correlation without access to Magic's financial records and other data, and even if I had the time and resources I likely wouldn't make the effort) it's irrelevant. If someone is fundamentally opposed to diversity there isn't any chance of swaying them, it's like trying to argue with a Christian over their core beliefs. You're making a huge number of assumptions in your post about what my intent is and what I'm doing, and a number of rather silly claims outside of myself as well.
I'd go with BGU. If either Rowan or Will is part white, then that's all five colors covered.
Just because Ajani sought vengeance against Heliod and the other Gods doesn't mean he was heavily red. Mechanically, red doesn't make a lot of sense in his power suite. During Shards of Alara's story, he was part red, and you could easily justify him getting a RGW card then, but nowadays he's firmly white with green as his secondary color. Same deal with Huatli, though honestly I don't see why she can't still be RGW.
The problem with tricolor planeswalkers is that they go in fewer decks than mono and dual PWs. Commander is one of the best places to feature tricolor PWs, as there they can be commanders and thus serve the purpose of providing players with more multicolor options.
If we are getting Will or Rowan with White I would hope it's Rowan. We don't have much in the way of Red and White Walkers (and of them fewer are Red centered), while White/Blue is... more I feel.
Sultai or Temur, I'm just glad we're getting more tri-colored planeswalkers. From just the art, Oko feels Sultai with the colorization, but I wouldn't mind Temur, if only because it's one more card Atraxa Superfriends to make the jump to 5 Color Superfriends.
I snipped that for brevity's sake.
You make a very reasoned point, but I think War of the Spark changed how we have to think about Planeswalkers. We have hybrid mana 'walkers now, which means sets don't have to revolve around specific manafixing to accommodate 3-color walkers anymore. Oko could easily be primarily blue with green/black hybrid. And I think(or least baselessly speculate) that that will become a pretty common thing when designing planeswalkers that have plot-relevant color shifts.
I snipped that for brevity's sake.
You make a very reasoned point, but I think War of the Spark changed how we have to think about Planeswalkers. We have hybrid mana 'walkers now, which means sets don't have to revolve around specific manafixing to accommodate 3-color walkers anymore. Oko could easily be primarily blue with green/black hybrid. And I think(or least baselessly speculate) that that will become a pretty common thing when designing planeswalkers that have plot-relevant color shifts.
We have "always" had hybrid walker. Hybrid has been a tool for them since the start, they just hadn't used them until War for the uncommon walker since it helped with playing them in draft? IIRC. They could have had a Bolas in Amonkhet or War costing B(U/R). Personally I would have liked better for Sarkhan Unbroken being R(B/G)(as he was originally be RBG) for flavor and would have let him played in Kolaghan and Atarka.
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You make a very reasoned point, but I think War of the Spark changed how we have to think about Planeswalkers. We have hybrid mana 'walkers now, which means sets don't have to revolve around specific manafixing to accommodate 3-color walkers anymore. Oko could easily be primarily blue with green/black hybrid. And I think(or least baselessly speculate) that that will become a pretty common thing when designing planeswalkers that have plot-relevant color shifts.
We have "always" had hybrid walker. Hybrid has been a tool for them since the start, they just hadn't used them until War for the uncommon walker since it helped with playing them in draft? IIRC. They could have had a Bolas in Amonkhet or War costing B(U/R). Personally I would have liked better for Sarkhan Unbroken being R(B/G)(as he was originally be RBG) for flavor and would have let him played in Kolaghan and Atarka.
But that's not really true though. Just because they could have used hybrid mana on planeswalkers way back when doesn't mean they were always open to it and simply chose not to do it at the last minute. We have to discuss these things in terms in observable reality. Hybrid mana is, in fact, new to planeswalker cards. It changes the design space for planeswalkers in very specific ways that you're ignoring.
I snipped that for brevity's sake.
You make a very reasoned point, but I think War of the Spark changed how we have to think about Planeswalkers. We have hybrid mana 'walkers now, which means sets don't have to revolve around specific manafixing to accommodate 3-color walkers anymore. Oko could easily be primarily blue with green/black hybrid. And I think(or least baselessly speculate) that that will become a pretty common thing when designing planeswalkers that have plot-relevant color shifts.
We have "always" had hybrid walker. Hybrid has been a tool for them since the start, they just hadn't used them until War for the uncommon walker since it helped with playing them in draft? IIRC. They could have had a Bolas in Amonkhet or War costing B(U/R). Personally I would have liked better for Sarkhan Unbroken being R(B/G)(as he was originally be RBG) for flavor and would have let him played in Kolaghan and Atarka.
But that's not really true though. Just because they could have used hybrid mana on planeswalkers way back when doesn't mean they were always open to it and simply chose not to do it at the last minute. We have to discuss these things in terms in observable reality. Hybrid mana is, in fact, new to planeswalker cards. It changes the design space for planeswalkers in very specific ways that you're ignoring.
fblthper asked: I absolutely love the hybrid planeswalker desing mostly as it make it possible to play much more planeswalkers in limited formats and that feels nice. It is sad that hybrid isn't an evergreen mechanic but what can one do.
A: It’s a tool and not every set wants it.
I'm not opposed to hybrid walkers I'm just going with what the designers have said. Its like the uncommon/rare walkers ect we could see them but its not the default.
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Next monday are spoilers scheduled, right ? Usually 1 week prior to that, wotc gives some insight on new mechabics & cards. Not this time im afraid d:(
fblthper asked: I absolutely love the hybrid planeswalker desing mostly as it make it possible to play much more planeswalkers in limited formats and that feels nice. It is sad that hybrid isn't an evergreen mechanic but what can one do.
A: It’s a tool and not every set wants it.
I'm not opposed to hybrid walkers I'm just going with what the designers have said. Its like the uncommon/rare walkers ect we could see them but its not the default.
You haven't countered my argument though. He says right there that it's a tool at their disposal now. Not getting used in every set doesn't mean anything in this conversation. They can use it any time they want now, which is new.
As much as I love hybrid mana, and would be happy to see it on more planeswalkers, but it's not something to expect commonly. Personally I'm playing seven hybrid walkers in my (mostly) peasant cube, and I'll play all ten when I get the rest. The cards are fabulously versatile, and the mana cost has a lot to do with that. I love 'em.
But that doesn't mean we'll see more of them any time soon. If Oko were something like 2(B/G)U it would certainly make me more likely to cube him over already fantastic Sultai cards, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Oko seems pretty Temur to me. a dislike of rules, destructive out of a desire to lash out at a system, a preference for the wild and uncivilized, and a penchant for mind magic and trickery. He uses his charisma and cunning to usurp orderliness and tradition.
The most difficult colour to associate with him of the three is in fact not Red but Green.
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Next monday are spoilers scheduled, right ? Usually 1 week prior to that, wotc gives some insight on new mechabics & cards. Not this time im afraid d:(
most of time its two weeks before pre-release for this case yes it should be next weak
Oko seems pretty Temur to me. a dislike of rules, destructive out of a desire to lash out at a system, a preference for the wild and uncivilized, and a penchant for mind magic and trickery. He uses his charisma and cunning to usurp orderliness and tradition.
The most difficult colour to associate with him of the three is in fact not Red but Green.
I understand your points but I would argue that his trickery borders on sadism and to me that seems more sultai than temur at least to me. And I think it would be really weird if he shared both of the twins colors.
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Oko seems pretty Temur to me. a dislike of rules, destructive out of a desire to lash out at a system, a preference for the wild and uncivilized, and a penchant for mind magic and trickery. He uses his charisma and cunning to usurp orderliness and tradition.
The most difficult colour to associate with him of the three is in fact not Red but Green.
I understand your points but I would argue that his trickery borders on sadism and to me that seems more sultai than temur at least to me. And I think it would be really weird if he shared both of the twins colors.
Weird, or thematically pointing at something? For color balance purposes it's also moot. Tricolor don't count for how they balance walkers over the colors, so it would be fine mechanically.
At best it seems the consensus is Simic + one part of Rakdos, so it'll be interesting to see how he turns out.
Oko seems pretty Temur to me. a dislike of rules, destructive out of a desire to lash out at a system, a preference for the wild and uncivilized, and a penchant for mind magic and trickery. He uses his charisma and cunning to usurp orderliness and tradition.
The most difficult colour to associate with him of the three is in fact not Red but Green.
I understand your points but I would argue that his trickery borders on sadism and to me that seems more sultai than temur at least to me. And I think it would be really weird if he shared both of the twins colors.
Weird, or thematically pointing at something? For color balance purposes it's also moot. Tricolor don't count for how they balance walkers over the colors, so it would be fine mechanically.
At best it seems the consensus is Simic + one part of Rakdos, so it'll be interesting to see how he turns out.
The article hinted at some character growth, so maybe he will start sultai and end up temur, represented by his pranks becoming less sadistic. It even says that he would probably get along with Chandra if not for his mean streak.
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Would it be so wrong for him to be four color? His personality absolutely screams Grixis if you ask me. The only reason we would ever think he was green at all was the whole green vine thing, and that's a pretty good indication that he is green. Then again, we do need a replacement for Nicol Bolas...
If I were designing the character without any other considerations, I'd go with Temur, as that seems like the mischievous fae combination. But I think he's most likely got some black.
But he doesn't have to have every single color in his identity in his first apperance. Maybe he is BUGR, but his first card is just BG. There's plenty of precedent for that.
Everyone seems to assume he's blue, but red, green, and black really seem to fit him more. Jund wouldn't actually be crazy. He just doesn't fit the identity for Jund that Alara established.
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Vivien screams GWB to me but she’s just mono-G?
Why hasn’t there been a WGR Ajani yet? Elspeth getting murdered wasn’t enough of a triggering moment somehow?
Just because Ajani sought vengeance against Heliod and the other Gods doesn't mean he was heavily red. Mechanically, red doesn't make a lot of sense in his power suite. During Shards of Alara's story, he was part red, and you could easily justify him getting a RGW card then, but nowadays he's firmly white with green as his secondary color. Same deal with Huatli, though honestly I don't see why she can't still be RGW.
The problem with tricolor planeswalkers is that they go in fewer decks than mono and dual PWs. Commander is one of the best places to feature tricolor PWs, as there they can be commanders and thus serve the purpose of providing players with more multicolor options.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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The more i try to analyze him, the more i get confused so... i'll follow my guts, sultai.
I quoted you here since my thoughts answer your question.
I think Oko will be three colored. Normally Wizards tends to stick to 1 to 2 colors for walkers for a few reasons. As mythic rare hard to get cards as well as the big face and marketing cards they like planeswalkers to stand a chance of being played in the basic draft/limited/standard area. Making them 3 colors can hinder this by limiting the number of decks they can play with unless we are in environments that they can flourish in (which is also why we don't tend to see too many 3 color legendary cards outside in main sets unless its shard or wedge themed). Bolas 1 and Sarkhan did ok since they were in environments where 3 colors where doing well. The commander walkers are headline commander decks which by nature love being multicolored and do indeed support the walkers. Finally I've read design notes on Bolas, in Amonkhet and Spark, and Tamiyo on the subject. It was mentioned that Bolas was a bit of pain to design, he wanted to be splashy and really hit hard so he tend to be higher mana costed. For a time he also was B(U/R) during spark since they didn't think we was gonna be played. For Tamiyo we had Jace, Kiora and (unknown to us at the time Dovin) all in nearly back to back sets which caused issues in walker color balance and number of decks they could play in so they made her 3 colors to limited how much she would see play.
I think right now we could handle a random tri-color walker. We just had Ravnica and M20 which had multicolored support/themes and war of the spark gave major boosters to walkers so even in 3 colors Oko might be nicely balanced. With standard having War they might also wanna limit walkers without necessarily depowering them. What might also help that similar to Tamiyo and investigate in SoI there might be a loose theme 3 color theme from a mechanic being focused in two different 2 color themes.
As for colors my thoughts from what we know of him;
He is a Fey, is a shapeshifter and
He is a shapeshifter and can use vine/nature magic so this leans to green.
Finally we have that he likes playing cruel pranks and hates tyrants. Personally this felt red to me. Red has tricksters and hates what it considers tyrants. To me this very much feels similar to both Chandra and Xenagos. Finally
That said I can see black as well. Green could very well be a part of him that hate tyrants seeing them as unnatural with black as cruel pranks and such. Similarly to my eyes I see a more red/pink in the art where people are seeing purple, but I could see it being the purple they use for black mana sometimes.
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The big issue with this is that you're assuming that there is any merit in an argument with someone on this topic when they're against diversity. There isn't. Even if I could provide hard evidence that Magic has only grown as a company and it directly relates to diversity (I believe the most I could do is a correlation without access to Magic's financial records and other data, and even if I had the time and resources I likely wouldn't make the effort) it's irrelevant. If someone is fundamentally opposed to diversity there isn't any chance of swaying them, it's like trying to argue with a Christian over their core beliefs. You're making a huge number of assumptions in your post about what my intent is and what I'm doing, and a number of rather silly claims outside of myself as well.
If we are getting Will or Rowan with White I would hope it's Rowan. We don't have much in the way of Red and White Walkers (and of them fewer are Red centered), while White/Blue is... more I feel.
I snipped that for brevity's sake.
You make a very reasoned point, but I think War of the Spark changed how we have to think about Planeswalkers. We have hybrid mana 'walkers now, which means sets don't have to revolve around specific manafixing to accommodate 3-color walkers anymore. Oko could easily be primarily blue with green/black hybrid. And I think(or least baselessly speculate) that that will become a pretty common thing when designing planeswalkers that have plot-relevant color shifts.
We have "always" had hybrid walker. Hybrid has been a tool for them since the start, they just hadn't used them until War for the uncommon walker since it helped with playing them in draft? IIRC. They could have had a Bolas in Amonkhet or War costing B(U/R). Personally I would have liked better for Sarkhan Unbroken being R(B/G)(as he was originally be RBG) for flavor and would have let him played in Kolaghan and Atarka.
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But that's not really true though. Just because they could have used hybrid mana on planeswalkers way back when doesn't mean they were always open to it and simply chose not to do it at the last minute. We have to discuss these things in terms in observable reality. Hybrid mana is, in fact, new to planeswalker cards. It changes the design space for planeswalkers in very specific ways that you're ignoring.
No really?
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/184437175663/i-absolutely-love-the-hybrid-planeswalker-desing
I'm not opposed to hybrid walkers I'm just going with what the designers have said. Its like the uncommon/rare walkers ect we could see them but its not the default.
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You haven't countered my argument though. He says right there that it's a tool at their disposal now. Not getting used in every set doesn't mean anything in this conversation. They can use it any time they want now, which is new.
But that doesn't mean we'll see more of them any time soon. If Oko were something like 2(B/G)U it would certainly make me more likely to cube him over already fantastic Sultai cards, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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most of time its two weeks before pre-release for this case yes it should be next weak
I understand your points but I would argue that his trickery borders on sadism and to me that seems more sultai than temur at least to me. And I think it would be really weird if he shared both of the twins colors.
Gaze upon an empty, white throne
A legacy of lies,
A familiar disguise
Sing with me a song of conquest and fate
The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
Lost in thoughts all alone
Weird, or thematically pointing at something? For color balance purposes it's also moot. Tricolor don't count for how they balance walkers over the colors, so it would be fine mechanically.
At best it seems the consensus is Simic + one part of Rakdos, so it'll be interesting to see how he turns out.
The article hinted at some character growth, so maybe he will start sultai and end up temur, represented by his pranks becoming less sadistic. It even says that he would probably get along with Chandra if not for his mean streak.