Quote from buffntuff »If wizards ever decided "to heck with the secondary market we're gonna sell cheap singles ourself now" flgs's will just stop carrying magic and the entire house of cards will collapse.
Quote from xaltair »Au my lgs many people play commander and they complain when the store needs to use tables for actual tourneys, at the same time they don't buy cards regularly and act snobbish when people play only standard, or pioneer or modern.
They are a cancer level outbreak at the lgs, they refuse to play competitive formats and when they are in the store they are very loud during their 4 or 5 man games.
Quote from Card Slinger J »Quote from buffntuff »If wizards ever decided "to heck with the secondary market we're gonna sell cheap singles ourself now" flgs's will just stop carrying magic and the entire house of cards will collapse.I'm afraid that's where we're at right now. If the FLGS dies completely what happens to Magic as a game? Hopefully they don't go super crazy with selling direct to consumer. What's really dangerous about all this is the kind of message it sends to Magic's Trading Card Game / Collectible Card Game competitors with Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokémon TCG, Cardfight!! Vanguard, Dragon Ball Super, Final Fantasy TCG, etc. What's stopping the companies behind these games from selling direct to consumer? Why undercut the FLGS when you can undercut eBay, Amazon, and other online retailers in the process?
Without a physical location to play there would be no need to buy product in the first place. Most FLGS's tend to rely on Organized Play in order for certain Trading Card Games / Collectible Card Games to survive in their area. The more casual Magic gets with EDH / Commander the less Wizards of the Coast wants anything to do with it other than selling products even though the FLGS SHOULD be in their best interest. Instead they judge communities based on negativity from social media instead of the people who are willing to enjoy Magic as a hobby out in public.
Quote from SavannahLion »This isn't the first time WotC sold direct to consumers though. Back when WotC used to have Pokemon IP, I bought booster boxes (of Pokemon) direct from Wizards website. In 1999 or thereabouts, WotC acquired The Game Keepers chain alongside opening their own brick and mortar stores. LGSs survived quite nicely through both of these "direct to consumer" attempts. I'm sure the viable LGSs will survive equally as well through this round of direct sales as well.
Quote from Card Slinger J »Quote from SavannahLion »This isn't the first time WotC sold direct to consumers though. Back when WotC used to have Pokemon IP, I bought booster boxes (of Pokemon) direct from Wizards website. In 1999 or thereabouts, WotC acquired The Game Keepers chain alongside opening their own brick and mortar stores. LGSs survived quite nicely through both of these "direct to consumer" attempts. I'm sure the viable LGSs will survive equally as well through this round of direct sales as well. Do you recall Wizards of the Coast selling individual card singles for the Pokémon TCG that were in high demand on the Secondary Market at the time? There's a difference between selling booster boxes "direct to consumer" as opposed to just selling individual cards "direct to consumer" due to randomization requirements. If there isn't a form of randomization involved when selling these products "direct to consumer" then Wizards of the Coast could get into some serious trouble with the U.S. Government. They knew they had to distribute Secret Lair with some form of randomization along with the individual single cards they're selling which just so happened to be stained glass illustrations of Planeswalker cards from War of the Spark.
The problem is that If Secret Lair is the new normal for Magic in terms of replacing Masters sets with "direct to consumer" individual cards that you can only order online through Wizards of the Coast being the only available vendor instead of being able to purchase them at your LGS; then they're going to go out of business with nobody having a place to play Magic. If there is a silver lining to all of this, it's that LGS owners will find ways to "cheat the system" by ordering these online exclusive products just to sell to their LGS customers in order to stay in business. If they get caught in the act then Wizards of the Coast has no one to blame but themselves because it shows that they care more about Magic as a collectible rather than an actual game.
Quote from Gruul Storyteller »And this is all on top of the "flash sales" going on where you can only buy certain ones on certain days for a limited time, can't even buy the 7-pack anymore. Well unless you want the scalper's price.
It all has this strange funky air to it, one of dishonesty and swindling.
Quote from SavannahLion »I don't recall everything that was sold direct from WotC at the time. I do remember, however, there were various iterations of their store front ranging from direct from WotC to a link that redirected you to an 3rd party (eBay?) store front. I don't recall everything that was sold however. Kind of wished I kept the boosters I never opened in their original shipping boxes.
However, WotC has sold singles, sort of. They even sold RL reprints through them. Do you recall the From the Vault series? That's the closest to true singles and RL reprints that I've seen.
Quote from Card Slinger J » As far as Reserve List reprints go the only one I remember that made the cut recently was Scroll Rack in Kaladesh Inventions back when Wizards of the Coast was greedy on lottery cards. In a sense they sort of are with the exclusive Heroes of the Realm cards such as the Boros Optimus Prime that got leaked including an Enchantment Saga that can be your Commander.
Quote from RSSR »I got my order in for a Kaleidoscope Killers box. I’m pumped and can’t wait to get it.
"It's like some kind of Voltron... made of elephants??"
Quote from Cactuscorpus »So it appears the Planeswalkers in some of these are random, and in some are not. For example, Everyone who has opened Seeing Visions online has gotten Ashiok, everyone who has opened OMGKitties! has gotten an Ajani, however the others seems to pull from some select walkers. I saw no informmation on getting Domri in Kaleidoscope Killers, but that was in one of mine. I also ended up with Gideon twice in one of the bundles I ordered. I have not seen anyone open up Liliana or Narset yet, but Kaleidoscope Killers has evidence of Teferi.
Quote from Card Slinger J »As far as Reserve List reprints go the only one I remember that made the cut recently was Scroll Rack in Kaladesh Inventions back when Wizards of the Coast was greedy on lottery cards. In a sense they sort of are with the exclusive Heroes of the Realm cards such as the Boros Optimus Prime that got leaked including an Enchantment Saga that can be your Commander.
Quote from xaltair »As I keep saying, liliana will probably not be included due to the higher value compared to the other walkers.
Quote from love_blanketThe problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
Quote from foam_dome »What are you talking about? Scroll Rack isn't on the Reserved List.
And that last sentence makes no sense, are you saying that Wizards is somehow greedy for printing Heroes of the Realm cards that are only being distributed (not sold) to Hasbro employees?
Quote from Card Slinger J »All I'm saying is that it's unfair for Magic players outside of Hasbro employees not to have access to the Heroes of the Realm cards which is different from Judge Promos since they're just reprints anyway. Wizards of the Coast could reprint these cards in mass quantities much like with other cards on the Secondary Market needing reprints yet they do nothing about it. Hopefully the Mystery Booster product next year will be available for the LGS due to how Secret Lair was an attempt to undermine it.