Didn't see this posted anywhere. It was revealed earlier this afternoon via twitch.tv/magic Introducing Jumpstart
Contains almost 500 reprints, 37 new cards, and sold in 20-card themed booster packs. The themes are randomized until you open the booster.
Trying to cash in on the Keyforge “spend $10, sit down and play a game without having to think about deck construction” model.
I see local KF player pairs impulse buy a deck each and sit down and play a spur of the moment game (sometimes with the winner keeping the losers deck). I see this selling in much the same way. Got ~$10, an opponent, and 15 minutes? Jumpstart.
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Those new 37 cards are just a way to grab some money from the commander players right?
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Hmm... if someone reveals that this is taking the place of the normal Conspiracy/Battlebond-ish “experimental” set, I’m down to try this. I don’t even care if they shove in TNN-esque rares.
Instead of 24 packs fueling one pod, it could easily fuel two close friends 6 mystery matches. As far as immediate play value goes, that seems pretty outstanding. Like, I’m tempted to buy a box... which is something I never do.
500-ish cards might also be a nice “sweet spot” for the size of pseudo-randomized sets, large enough for wizards to risk using decent common/uncommon reprints but small enough that new copies of those reprints can affect prices... unless the good reprints are only in the “mythic rare” packs.
...On second thought, the idea of entirely non-random “mythic packs” scares me entirely. While I don’t think that it could do much harm in a draft set like this (you can’t shove too much power into a pack that will comprise half of a player’s library without busting this new “format”), it’s easier to cram value into an entire pack of cards than it is with single cards (like masterpieces). The thought that wizards might consolidate value from a future set into an even more extreme slot machine using the promise of “perfect packs” is worrying... though that’s just idle speculation on my part.
I don't think I understand how this works. Each pack only contains 1 land it says so how do you shuffle two of them together and "just play"?
Here is the relevant bit. I had to read it twice too.
Every pack includes one basic land with art that matches the pack's theme. A few of them use thematically appropriate lands from M21, but most of them use brand-new themed land art created for Jumpstart.
Awful editing for sure so it doesn't necessarily make sense. I'm guessing that the packs might contain at most a single themed land whose art is either from M21 or specifically for Jumpstart while the rest(?)might be.... whatever?
Interesting.... With two packs equating to just two lands and 38 other cards, you have no choice but to add lands to make 60ish card deck.... that doesn't really make them "ready to play".
But giving us... say six lands a pack to build a 40 card deck from two packs makes these packs comparable to Modern packs with a wildly questionable EV.
I don't mind shelling out $10 but if the play value or the secondary market value is dog **** why bother?
As an aside....
Is this the "Mystery Packs" that got revealed a month or two ago at some GP or something? Or are we getting two different 500 card sets??
Sounds like a set I’d only buy singles from, since I’d only want specific things. Assuming the blue themes are of interest to me. I’d love sea monsters but doubt it. I could see Merfolk and reprints for them being something. I prefer being able to choose the color.
I’m not really feeling this so far but we will see
Despite the current upset among the MTGSal population about product overload, I really like the concept behind these packs. Grab two packs sit down and you have a deck (I'm guessing you still need basic lands). It still contains the random factor of a draft or a sealed event, but you have less potential to get screwed. It also aids new players by most likely having cards on curve that work well together, but also attracts old players for the new cards, reprints, and random excitement of an "instant" deck. I'm really excited to try this out. Probably one of the better new products MtG has put out in awhile.
I get the feeling Slivers will be among the tribes within this set based off of the marketing write-up explaining what this is off that WotC website.
Probably ye, thats the only way they can make Slivers + Phyrexians + Eldrazi in the same product while not destroying much of the lore or making it feel forced. The line of "the 2 most evil things: Cats and Phyrexians" give this kind of vibe.
If one of those has Metathrans as a theme it could be fun
maybe the booster could have something like:
possible rares:
All right, just went to blogatog and a few needed questions have been answered:
Is this set's combine-and-play in any way related to the similar nature of Unsanctioned?
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shm128iii asked: Both Unsanctioned and JumpStart have a similar "mash two different sets of cards together" mechanic going on. Was there any overlap in their development at all? Did one inspire the other?
They were designed independently as far as I know.
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Is this the innovation product for this year?
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gsjbuffalo asked: Does Jump Start count as an innovation product for this year? If so, are we getting officially two (3 if you count Unsanctioned) innovation products?
Commander Legends is the official “innovative product” for 2020, but Jumpstart can be thought of as an unofficial one.
Is there really only one land per pack?
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towel-guy asked: I'm confused about the basic lands of jumpstart, are there one or several in a pack? if more than one do all of them have the same art?
There are numerous basic lands but only one per pack of the new art.
Does Jumpstart = Mystery Booster?
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haaaaaaaaave-you-met-ted asked: Is Jumpstart the official name for the Mystery boosters?
No, different product.
Will this set have a higher price?
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drewblive380 asked: I know you can't be super specific, but you've mentioned already phyrexian as a hypothetical, will this set be higher priced per booster, like other reprint heavy premium sets? Or will it considering the '8 - 9 lands per pack' be priced similarly to other draft boosters? Also how limited of a run is this? And will it contain an ad card?
On the stream today, they said that Jumpstart will be “a little more than draft boosters”. Remember that each booster has 20 cards, a 1/3 chance of getting more than one rare, and a basic land with brand new art.
THE BIG ONE What does it mean when it says that the different packs will be labeled?
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ursadub asked: "Each booster contains 20 cards centered on a theme. What theme each booster contains is randomized, but each themed 20 cards will be sealed inside the pack and labled." Can you clarify what that means? Can you tell the theme before opening the pack, but the theme packs in a box are randomized?
You will have a booster pack. You open it and Inside is twenty cards inside a plastic wrapped brick. You can see a front card which has a picture and tells you the name of the theme and what color(s) it is.
For example, it might show a goblin, say “Goblins”, and tell you it’s a red deck. That means it will contain red cards, mountains and maybe some generic artifacts that a red deck could play.
You then pick a second booster pack and open it. Its card might say “Phyrexian” and be black. You then can put them together to make a black/red Phyrexisn Goblin deck.
The Summary: This is neither the Mystery Booster nor the Innovation Product for the year. Even though it works similar, it was developed separately from Unsanctioned (as far as Maro knows). This will cost slightly more than a normal pack. Will have one unique land and a number of additional land (I'd personally expect 8 or 9 lands per pack depending on how expensive the cards in theme are). Purposefully mixing and matching packs as the article describes is Possible because each pack contains a second level of plastic packaging, listing both the theme and the color. As such, someone wanting to make a Cat Pirate deck could theoretically crack packs until they find those packs, slap them together, and leave the rest in their secondary packaging. Also, this opens up the possibility of players selling specific "sealed" packs online.
Questions I still have:
1. While I doubt it, is the "plastic brick" inside these backs re-sealable? If they are, buying sealed backs online is iffy.
2. Are there 121 specific themes or are there fewer themes that provide exactly 121 possible pack layouts?
3. Do all "non-mythic" packs have a chance of 2 rares or is that one third of the themes give you two rares?
Other Observation: Maro also mentioned that this will have a lot of cards in common with Core 2021. Between the high number of core cards, the easy access to basic lands, and the lack of deck-building difficulty, I would imagine that this product (and its prerelease) would be great for new players.
Still too many products, but this has me interested just on the premise with the theme boosters thing they got going. At the very least this has me more interested than yet another Secret Lair or the Mystery Boosters.
With that new information, it makes these packs a little more interesting.
I really want to have a better price point for these. With these "being a little more than draft boosters" when a not too small percentage of them are comprised of, as they must be, basic lands. If we follow the assumption these are comprised of about 40% lands then we're paying more per pack for just 12 themed cards...
I'll wait and see before passing judgement.
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Didn't see this posted anywhere. It was revealed earlier this afternoon via twitch.tv/magic
Introducing Jumpstart
Contains almost 500 reprints, 37 new cards, and sold in 20-card themed booster packs. The themes are randomized until you open the booster.
I see local KF player pairs impulse buy a deck each and sit down and play a spur of the moment game (sometimes with the winner keeping the losers deck). I see this selling in much the same way. Got ~$10, an opponent, and 15 minutes? Jumpstart.
I'd be fine with it, if not for the 37 new cards legal for eternal formats.
Surely they wouldnt print something like Flusterstorm, Leovold, or True-Name Nemesis here just to drive sales, would they? /sarcasm
“I swing at you for 1 with the dog from Frasier“.
Commander players will buy it regardless, so long as the reprints are good. Theme = heavy tribal, and heavy tribal is very much a Commander thing.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Instead of 24 packs fueling one pod, it could easily fuel two close friends 6 mystery matches. As far as immediate play value goes, that seems pretty outstanding. Like, I’m tempted to buy a box... which is something I never do.
500-ish cards might also be a nice “sweet spot” for the size of pseudo-randomized sets, large enough for wizards to risk using decent common/uncommon reprints but small enough that new copies of those reprints can affect prices... unless the good reprints are only in the “mythic rare” packs.
...On second thought, the idea of entirely non-random “mythic packs” scares me entirely. While I don’t think that it could do much harm in a draft set like this (you can’t shove too much power into a pack that will comprise half of a player’s library without busting this new “format”), it’s easier to cram value into an entire pack of cards than it is with single cards (like masterpieces). The thought that wizards might consolidate value from a future set into an even more extreme slot machine using the promise of “perfect packs” is worrying... though that’s just idle speculation on my part.
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Here is the relevant bit. I had to read it twice too.
Awful editing for sure so it doesn't necessarily make sense. I'm guessing that the packs might contain at most a single themed land whose art is either from M21 or specifically for Jumpstart while the rest(?)might be.... whatever?
Interesting.... With two packs equating to just two lands and 38 other cards, you have no choice but to add lands to make 60ish card deck.... that doesn't really make them "ready to play".
But giving us... say six lands a pack to build a 40 card deck from two packs makes these packs comparable to Modern packs with a wildly questionable EV.
I don't mind shelling out $10 but if the play value or the secondary market value is dog **** why bother?
As an aside....
Is this the "Mystery Packs" that got revealed a month or two ago at some GP or something? Or are we getting two different 500 card sets??
I’m not really feeling this so far but we will see
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Who know the reprints will be another flare gun for the year of commander
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Those 37 new cards are probably legendary creatures, soo they can milk commander players a bit more and i have spoken.
Probably ye, thats the only way they can make Slivers + Phyrexians + Eldrazi in the same product while not destroying much of the lore or making it feel forced. The line of "the 2 most evil things: Cats and Phyrexians" give this kind of vibe.
If one of those has Metathrans as a theme it could be fun
maybe the booster could have something like:
possible rares:
Fixed with litle variation cards:
already want to go to the pre release, seems random and fun... lol.
let's just hope for good cards and fun decks.
Is this set's combine-and-play in any way related to the similar nature of Unsanctioned?
Is this the innovation product for this year?
Is there really only one land per pack?
Does Jumpstart = Mystery Booster?
Will this set have a higher price?
THE BIG ONE What does it mean when it says that the different packs will be labeled?
The Summary: This is neither the Mystery Booster nor the Innovation Product for the year. Even though it works similar, it was developed separately from Unsanctioned (as far as Maro knows). This will cost slightly more than a normal pack. Will have one unique land and a number of additional land (I'd personally expect 8 or 9 lands per pack depending on how expensive the cards in theme are). Purposefully mixing and matching packs as the article describes is Possible because each pack contains a second level of plastic packaging, listing both the theme and the color. As such, someone wanting to make a Cat Pirate deck could theoretically crack packs until they find those packs, slap them together, and leave the rest in their secondary packaging. Also, this opens up the possibility of players selling specific "sealed" packs online.
Questions I still have:
1. While I doubt it, is the "plastic brick" inside these backs re-sealable? If they are, buying sealed backs online is iffy.
2. Are there 121 specific themes or are there fewer themes that provide exactly 121 possible pack layouts?
3. Do all "non-mythic" packs have a chance of 2 rares or is that one third of the themes give you two rares?
Other Observation: Maro also mentioned that this will have a lot of cards in common with Core 2021. Between the high number of core cards, the easy access to basic lands, and the lack of deck-building difficulty, I would imagine that this product (and its prerelease) would be great for new players.
I really want to have a better price point for these. With these "being a little more than draft boosters" when a not too small percentage of them are comprised of, as they must be, basic lands. If we follow the assumption these are comprised of about 40% lands then we're paying more per pack for just 12 themed cards...
I'll wait and see before passing judgement.