Bummer for those looking forward to those three card. I personally dislike the Godzilla cards for my own reasons but I do appreciate that people want them. There isn't much to say about it so here is the full release as stated by WotC.
Due to an unfortunate internal error, the three Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths Japanese-language exclusive Godzilla Series Monster cards will only be found in Japanese Draft and Collector Boosters and as Japanese box toppers. They will not be found in English or French Collector Boosters.
This exclusion from non-Japanese Collector Boosters was not intended, and, as a result, our communications leading up to the release of Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths contained incorrect information that we have since corrected. As printed, any English or French Collector Boosters will not have an opportunity to contain any of the cards numbered 385, 386, or 387, seen here:
We know that the prospect of finding one of these special cards in a Collector Booster is a large part of the excitement for many, and we are deeply sorry for this error.
Since the mistake was discovered only recently, we were not able to reprint the product with the affected cards. Instead, we'll be printing and distributing copies of the cards to stores in the near future to make up for the error.
If you are purchasing English or French Collector Boosters from a local game store, they should be able to provide some number of additional copies of these cards at no charge. If you've made a preorder or plan to purchase, please check with your store first.
If for some reason this isn't possible, please contact Wizards of the Coast customer support for more information.
Wizards of the Coast strives for high quality and consistency in our products, and we regret that we did not live up to those standards this time.
I'm searching for a source (leisurely, no real rush for me. I hate to admit I find this humorous.) but rumor mill has it that there are recommendations to the effect of, a random card to be given for every third pack purchased or a pack for every twelve.
Due to the expense of the collectors packs, I know very few people willing, or able, to buy three packs a go. So I guess save up at least $60 to buy three at a time? At least you'll be guaranteed one of the Japanese cards.
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It's the expectation and confusion I think. If WotC had spotted their mistake much earlier it probably wouldn't be an issue (if it's even an issue now).
I have no interest in the Godzilla cards. I have my own personal opinions for both the Godzilla and Collector packs. Like I mentioned earlier, I can, however, appreciate that people do care about these cards and some were likely hoping to crack these packs for the chance to get these cards.
Personally, I think this might not work out very well. Nevermind unscrupulous stores just taking the cards and selling them online, you have the added problem that I rarely ever see anyone buy 3+ collector packs at once at my LGS. So how does the LGS determine who gets the card if three people buy a pack each? A lottery? Roll a 3D? I know one LGS isn't a good metric but I can't imagine my LGS having these problems exclusively.
Why is there panic there’s gonna be thousands available from websites who sell magic cards
Because the Japanese boosters for Ikoria actually have a chance to contain these cards like the stained-glass planeswalker cards from War of the Spark. Meanwhile those in other languages only get a single one as a box topper.
Nevermind unscruplous stores, there is literally a limited won't be printed again version called "Spacegodzilla, Corona Death" instead of "Spacegodzilla, Void Invader" as it will only be in the first printing. This singular card is already for sale on websites like Ebay or TCGPlayer for anywhere between $50 (non-foil) to 1000$ (foil).
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
How about they just get the set out to be sold here in the States? They aren't going to be able to hold any events in the month of May so just distribute the cards and let everyone sell online or at the box stores. This holding onto the set is ridiculous. What difference does it make if they are selling them in Japan already?
C'mon WotC, just let us buy the damn stuff. Stop being so controlling. Hoarding the cards isn't making anyone else besides yourselves money. Its times like these where games can make people happy playing at home. LGS need the money that they could sell locally via online as well. Postponing is weaksauce.
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Why is there panic there’s gonna be thousands available from websites who sell magic cards
Because the Japanese boosters for Ikoria actually have a chance to contain these cards like the stained-glass planeswalker cards from War of the Spark. Meanwhile those in other languages only get a single one as a box topper.
Nevermind unscruplous stores, there is literally a limited won't be printed again version called "Spacegodzilla, Corona Death" instead of "Spacegodzilla, Void Invader" as it will only be in the first printing. This singular card is already for sale on websites like Ebay or TCGPlayer for anywhere between $50 (non-foil) to 1000$ (foil).
There is a rumor floating around that WotC is actually recalling these cards. No idea where it's coming from. The only source I could find was on Reddit.
The whole subbing out one title for another is a weak move on WotC's part. Godzilla is what? Almost 70 years old? You're punishing a 70 year old franchise for a disease that most people will forget in less than 5 years? Sad....
Did you, though? Wizards made it patently clear that their decision to postpone the physical set was to help ensure the health and wellbeing of everybody in the supply chain, from distribution and shipping centers to retailers and consumers. The pandemic has yet to peak in most states (if any), so for them to encourage people to quit self-isolation - even just for a quick stop at the LGS - would be selfish at best, and life threatening at worst. And that's assuming many local games stores haven't already shuttered, which would lead to a further disproportion of benefits upon release.
Wizards isn't hoarding, they're certainly not profiting from the delay, and absolutely no good can come of pushing them into a rushed product release here. The absence of overpriced cardboard is easily the least disruptive event in most people's lives right now.
You're punishing a 70 year old franchise for a disease that most people will forget in less than 5 years? Sad....
Forgotten, like the Spanish Flu? Like SARS? The friends and family members of the 32,000+ people who have died to coronavirus in the U.S. so far, I'm sure they'll have forgotten. I guess there's no point in being overly sensitive at the expense of a 70 year old fictional lizard monster.
Did you, though? Wizards made it patently clear that their decision to postpone the physical set was to help ensure the health and wellbeing of everybody in the supply chain, from distribution and shipping centers to retailers and consumers. The pandemic has yet to peak in most states (if any), so for them to encourage people to quit self-isolation - even just for a quick stop at the LGS - would be selfish at best, and life threatening at worst. And that's assuming many local games stores haven't already shuttered, which would lead to a further disproportion of benefits upon release.
Wizards isn't hoarding, they're certainly not profiting from the delay, and absolutely no good can come of pushing them into a rushed product release here. The absence of overpriced cardboard is easily the least disruptive event in most people's lives right now.
You're punishing a 70 year old franchise for a disease that most people will forget in less than 5 years? Sad....
Forgotten, like the Spanish Flu? Like SARS? The friends and family members of the 32,000+ people who have died to coronavirus in the U.S. so far, I'm sure they'll have forgotten. I guess there's no point in being overly sensitive at the expense of a 70 year old fictional lizard monster.
Absolutely. Keep in mind that my post isn't about minimizing those who have died or their relatives. 2009 flu saw about 12,500 deaths in the U.S. but their deaths aren't any less than COVID-19. This is about how this gesture from WotC isn't what it's cracked up to be.
Think about this. The vast majority of the people sqawking about a Godzilla Corona card having some bizarre relationship to COVID-19 are just stirring the pot. Just like the bizarre relationship with thr beer.
The general populous have extremely short term memories over even large events and in five years, give or take, something else will hit the radar and most people will only have the vaguest memory.
The fact that a game that just happened to have a card of the same unrelated name as the disease is, and will be, completely irrelevant, even amongst those that directly experienced this pandemic five years from now. A lot of people cite 1918 but they do so only because of the media. Two years ago, how many people do you think were even aware of the 1918 flu much less cared about it?
I think a far better and meaningful gesture would have been to create a Secret Lair Godzilla (even with the new name) and actually donated all the profits to the Red Cross. Players and detractors would absolutely eat that up.
Feel free to come back to this post in five years and prove me wrong.
I think the fact that Wizards is clearly trying to distance themselves from a national tragedy in no way undermines the otherwise positive impact for those affected by the virus right now, and no amount of self-serving desire for special cardboard - today or 5 years from today - lessens that positive impact. The attitude that "people die every day, we'll get over this" is somehow an excuse for that self-service is baffling to me, but then I shouldn't be surprised that people here are devoid of empathy, or even willing to acknowledge that other people have feelings in the first place.
I'm lucky that my father passed away back in October, owing to complications from both renal and congestive heart failure, because if he hadn't the overwhelming risk of exposure at the dialysis clinic he visited 3+ times a week surely would have killed him - and possibly my elderly mother as well. I've been loathe to be reminded of his passing these last several months, and I certainly wouldn't have appreciated those reminders, big or small, encroaching on the very things I use to distract myself from the horrors of everyday life. But hey, we won't be touchy about the deaths of our loved ones 5 years from now, so how about I shed just a few extra tears right now so people can own those special edition cards? The value and integrity of your collection is important to me.
I also think a far better and meaningful gesture would have been to donate... well, something to anyone, really. John Oliver just donated $20,000 last week to a food bank in PA over an artistic rendition of rat porn, of all things. He could have donated more, I suppose. Wizards could take a page out of his book, or Disney's, who on top of continuing to pay their employee's wages through park closures (at the cost of some $30 million a day) also donate their perishables to food banks and local organizations in need. But they haven't, probably won't, and I don't fault them for it any more than I do the myriad other businesses not currently engaging in philanthropic endeavors. I do appreciate the little gesture that might have spared me just a bit of depression, though, and I'm sure there's at least a few other people out there who do as well.
And if we're going to talk about meaningful gestures, how about we collectively put aside our desire for more toys so that others are not put at risk trying to deliver them? You don't have to be a big company to have an impact.
I think a far better and meaningful gesture would have been to create a Secret Lair Godzilla (even with the new name) and actually donated all the profits to the Red Cross. Players and detractors would absolutely eat that up.
I agree 100%. I would have purchased and wouldn't even mind a few months wait on those knowing the money would go to the Red Cross. And yes I have donated to the Red Cross on my own recently and may do so again soon. Funny how Japan can distribute and sell both Japanese AND English cards in their country while we sit and twiddle our thumbs. Get the product out safely, roll it out slow, let LGS and online sellers SELL IT ONLINE ONLY. And let the big box stores that are already open sell it as well. They (WotC) are sitting on the product trying to figure out how to squeeze every last penny from this set and roll it out the same old way when its obvious this set needs a different method of distribution.
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Funny how Japan can distribute and sell both Japanese AND English cards in their country while we sit and twiddle our thumbs.
This set was designed from inception to help Wizards penetrate the Japanese market, something they've been terrible at, historically speaking. It's no surprise that they're getting special treatment here, not least of which is because not all countries are affected by the outbreak equally. I guarantee that if the tables were turned, and the U.S. was relatively safe compared to the rest of the world, you'd be perfectly content to let Wizards shower toys on you while everyone else has to wait. Funny indeed.
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That's exactly what they're doing.
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...let LGS and online sellers SELL IT ONLINE ONLY. And let the big box stores that are already open sell it as well.
Again, that would disproportionately affect all involved, mostly at the expense of those local game stores.
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They (WotC) are sitting on the product trying to figure out how to squeeze every last penny from this set and roll it out the same old way when its obvious this set needs a different method of distribution.
Uh, what? Storing product costs money. A lot of money. There's absolutely no way Wizards is profiting off this delay, quite the opposite actually.
I have a bit unrelated question - why only english and french packs have this issue? I was under the impression that cards were printed locally for NA, EU, AP, etc. Are collectors boosters printed differently? I'm interested from cardstock perspective.
As for the fix itself - giving out random card of the three (distribution probability applies) with each collector booster seems like an easy enough to implement fix. Sure, it will decrease their collectibility but I do not think this is a bad thing. A lot of people are excited about those cards so making more people happy seems like a good idea. Especially now.
Went today to buy my preorder collector's booster box. LGS had none of the cards to giveaway. Supposedly they're being sent out later in the month. Wew.
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The fact that they come in normal Japanese boosters but not English (or other) is already bull, I cannot begin to tell you how much that pisses me off as a lifelong Godzilla fan.
The fact that they come in normal Japanese boosters but not English (or other) is already bull, I cannot begin to tell you how much that pisses me off as a lifelong Godzilla fan.
They did the same bull*****tery with the "anime" style planeswalkers.
Japan gets all the goodies and the rest has to pay premium to get them.
At this point you could very well argue its intrinsic racism.
The fact that they come in normal Japanese boosters but not English (or other) is already bull, I cannot begin to tell you how much that pisses me off as a lifelong Godzilla fan.
They did the same bull*****tery with the "anime" style planeswalkers.
Japan gets all the goodies and the rest has to pay premium to get them.
At this point you could very well argue its intrinsic racism.
That’s really not how racism works, so no, we very well could not.
The fact that they come in normal Japanese boosters but not English (or other) is already bull, I cannot begin to tell you how much that pisses me off as a lifelong Godzilla fan.
They did the same bull*****tery with the "anime" style planeswalkers.
Japan gets all the goodies and the rest has to pay premium to get them.
At this point you could very well argue its intrinsic racism.
It's more an issue that Wizards has yet to solve the Japanese market. In most places they're holding out, but with all the Japanese card games floating around they need to do extra to make a dent in Japan. They're fighting a lot of homegrown games (Yugioh, Cardfight Vanguard) and even their own stuff (Kaijudo).
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Bummer for those looking forward to those three card. I personally dislike the Godzilla cards for my own reasons but I do appreciate that people want them. There isn't much to say about it so here is the full release as stated by WotC.
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hate toadmit I find this humorous.) but rumor mill has it that there are recommendations to the effect of, a random card to be given for every third pack purchased or a pack for every twelve.Due to the expense of the collectors packs, I know very few people willing, or able, to buy three packs a go. So I guess save up at least $60 to buy three at a time? At least you'll be guaranteed one of the Japanese cards.
Why is there panic there’s gonna be thousands available from websites who sell magic cards
It's the expectation and confusion I think. If WotC had spotted their mistake much earlier it probably wouldn't be an issue (if it's even an issue now).
I have no interest in the Godzilla cards. I have my own personal opinions for both the Godzilla and Collector packs. Like I mentioned earlier, I can, however, appreciate that people do care about these cards and some were likely hoping to crack these packs for the chance to get these cards.
Personally, I think this might not work out very well. Nevermind unscrupulous stores just taking the cards and selling them online, you have the added problem that I rarely ever see anyone buy 3+ collector packs at once at my LGS. So how does the LGS determine who gets the card if three people buy a pack each? A lottery? Roll a 3D? I know one LGS isn't a good metric but I can't imagine my LGS having these problems exclusively.
Nevermind unscruplous stores, there is literally a limited won't be printed again version called "Spacegodzilla, Corona Death" instead of "Spacegodzilla, Void Invader" as it will only be in the first printing. This singular card is already for sale on websites like Ebay or TCGPlayer for anywhere between $50 (non-foil) to 1000$ (foil).
Also, is Death Corona going to be removed from all language printings, or just English?
C'mon WotC, just let us buy the damn stuff. Stop being so controlling. Hoarding the cards isn't making anyone else besides yourselves money. Its times like these where games can make people happy playing at home. LGS need the money that they could sell locally via online as well. Postponing is weaksauce.
Sorry, had to rant.
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There is a rumor floating around that WotC is actually recalling these cards. No idea where it's coming from. The only source I could find was on Reddit.
The whole subbing out one title for another is a weak move on WotC's part. Godzilla is what? Almost 70 years old? You're punishing a 70 year old franchise for a disease that most people will forget in less than 5 years? Sad....
Did you, though? Wizards made it patently clear that their decision to postpone the physical set was to help ensure the health and wellbeing of everybody in the supply chain, from distribution and shipping centers to retailers and consumers. The pandemic has yet to peak in most states (if any), so for them to encourage people to quit self-isolation - even just for a quick stop at the LGS - would be selfish at best, and life threatening at worst. And that's assuming many local games stores haven't already shuttered, which would lead to a further disproportion of benefits upon release.
Wizards isn't hoarding, they're certainly not profiting from the delay, and absolutely no good can come of pushing them into a rushed product release here. The absence of overpriced cardboard is easily the least disruptive event in most people's lives right now.
Forgotten, like the Spanish Flu? Like SARS? The friends and family members of the 32,000+ people who have died to coronavirus in the U.S. so far, I'm sure they'll have forgotten. I guess there's no point in being overly sensitive at the expense of a 70 year old fictional lizard monster.
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Absolutely. Keep in mind that my post isn't about minimizing those who have died or their relatives. 2009 flu saw about 12,500 deaths in the U.S. but their deaths aren't any less than COVID-19. This is about how this gesture from WotC isn't what it's cracked up to be.
Think about this. The vast majority of the people sqawking about a Godzilla Corona card having some bizarre relationship to COVID-19 are just stirring the pot. Just like the bizarre relationship with thr beer.
The general populous have extremely short term memories over even large events and in five years, give or take, something else will hit the radar and most people will only have the vaguest memory.
The fact that a game that just happened to have a card of the same unrelated name as the disease is, and will be, completely irrelevant, even amongst those that directly experienced this pandemic five years from now. A lot of people cite 1918 but they do so only because of the media. Two years ago, how many people do you think were even aware of the 1918 flu much less cared about it?
I think a far better and meaningful gesture would have been to create a Secret Lair Godzilla (even with the new name) and actually donated all the profits to the Red Cross. Players and detractors would absolutely eat that up.
Feel free to come back to this post in five years and prove me wrong.
I'm lucky that my father passed away back in October, owing to complications from both renal and congestive heart failure, because if he hadn't the overwhelming risk of exposure at the dialysis clinic he visited 3+ times a week surely would have killed him - and possibly my elderly mother as well. I've been loathe to be reminded of his passing these last several months, and I certainly wouldn't have appreciated those reminders, big or small, encroaching on the very things I use to distract myself from the horrors of everyday life. But hey, we won't be touchy about the deaths of our loved ones 5 years from now, so how about I shed just a few extra tears right now so people can own those special edition cards? The value and integrity of your collection is important to me.
I also think a far better and meaningful gesture would have been to donate... well, something to anyone, really. John Oliver just donated $20,000 last week to a food bank in PA over an artistic rendition of rat porn, of all things. He could have donated more, I suppose. Wizards could take a page out of his book, or Disney's, who on top of continuing to pay their employee's wages through park closures (at the cost of some $30 million a day) also donate their perishables to food banks and local organizations in need. But they haven't, probably won't, and I don't fault them for it any more than I do the myriad other businesses not currently engaging in philanthropic endeavors. I do appreciate the little gesture that might have spared me just a bit of depression, though, and I'm sure there's at least a few other people out there who do as well.
And if we're going to talk about meaningful gestures, how about we collectively put aside our desire for more toys so that others are not put at risk trying to deliver them? You don't have to be a big company to have an impact.
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I agree 100%. I would have purchased and wouldn't even mind a few months wait on those knowing the money would go to the Red Cross. And yes I have donated to the Red Cross on my own recently and may do so again soon. Funny how Japan can distribute and sell both Japanese AND English cards in their country while we sit and twiddle our thumbs. Get the product out safely, roll it out slow, let LGS and online sellers SELL IT ONLINE ONLY. And let the big box stores that are already open sell it as well. They (WotC) are sitting on the product trying to figure out how to squeeze every last penny from this set and roll it out the same old way when its obvious this set needs a different method of distribution.
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This set was designed from inception to help Wizards penetrate the Japanese market, something they've been terrible at, historically speaking. It's no surprise that they're getting special treatment here, not least of which is because not all countries are affected by the outbreak equally. I guarantee that if the tables were turned, and the U.S. was relatively safe compared to the rest of the world, you'd be perfectly content to let Wizards shower toys on you while everyone else has to wait. Funny indeed.
That's exactly what they're doing.
Again, that would disproportionately affect all involved, mostly at the expense of those local game stores.
Uh, what? Storing product costs money. A lot of money. There's absolutely no way Wizards is profiting off this delay, quite the opposite actually.
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I have a bit unrelated question - why only english and french packs have this issue? I was under the impression that cards were printed locally for NA, EU, AP, etc. Are collectors boosters printed differently? I'm interested from cardstock perspective.
As for the fix itself - giving out random card of the three (distribution probability applies) with each collector booster seems like an easy enough to implement fix. Sure, it will decrease their collectibility but I do not think this is a bad thing. A lot of people are excited about those cards so making more people happy seems like a good idea. Especially now.
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They did the same bull*****tery with the "anime" style planeswalkers.
Japan gets all the goodies and the rest has to pay premium to get them.
At this point you could very well argue its intrinsic racism.
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That’s really not how racism works, so no, we very well could not.
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It's more an issue that Wizards has yet to solve the Japanese market. In most places they're holding out, but with all the Japanese card games floating around they need to do extra to make a dent in Japan. They're fighting a lot of homegrown games (Yugioh, Cardfight Vanguard) and even their own stuff (Kaijudo).