• A white creature that can make an opponent lose the game simply by attacking them no matter how much life they have Felidar Sovereign
Very interesting...That would be in line with Maro's past play on words. It could just be a Felidar Sovereign reprint.
His sentence doesn't say "opponent loses the game immediately." The opponent could lose the game later (or during your upkeep).
It could also hint at the saboteur ability from days of old: "if ~ attacks and isn't blocked, <effect> and ~ deals no combat damage" (Farrel's Zealot for example). But I don't know if they would template it like that.
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• A white creature that can make an opponent lose the game simply by attacking them no matter how much life they have
We already know that the new Nahiri has 'twice the number of equipment' on it. Let's see what else we can figure out/narrow down/wildly guess
What about something like:
Tyria, Trapped in Stone 1WW
Legendary Creature — Ascended Human Warrior Mythic
Whenever Tyria, Trapped in Stone deals combat damage to a player,
if there are less than 3 fracture counters on Tyria, instead
put a fracture counter on Tyria, and Tyria deals 0 combat damage
this turn. If there are 3 or more fracture counters on Tyria, instead
that player loses the game.
"Nahiri imprisoned me in that stone hundreds of years ago. I have been punching
my way out ever since." — Tyria, probably
Omnath costing 2/w 2/u 2/r 2/g
Double face cards - creatures with 5 creature types
Coward appearing as a creature type on an actual creature card typeline
So (2/W)(2/B)(2/G)15 Might be are answer which is 4
I'm not sure if Mark would count Mox Lotus as it is an uncard, but I'm sure they wouldn't make a card that costs 15(2/W)(2/B)(2/G). That's quite an awkward cost and would be the new most expensive card ever printed.
"• A white creature that can make an opponent lose the game simply by attacking them no matter how much life they have"
Could this be something as simple as, "whenever this creature attacks, you and defending player draw a card." so technically if they have no cards in their library they lose no matter how much life they have?
Well, it was pretty obvious. The felidar triggers on upkeep and not attack phase. Boldwyr isn't a place on Zendikar.
By the way, the white card could be felidar #2 that let you win if it attacks and you have 40 or more life.
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If the creature end up with out lifegain or even with I don't see how there is any different to Felidar Sovereign.
The opponent can see it a few turns ahead if you play it to early and even when you cast the creature while having 40 or a little less life you have a whole turn to deal with it. When the creature ends up costing 6 like Felidar the combo will be more expensive than a lot other "I win the game"-combo and we are speaking from 1 opponent lose. Felidar is already a thing and can be flashed out with another card like Winding Canyons, Emergence Zone, Vedalken Orrery etc.
I could see that they will use the new template for such life total count trigger. 'X more life that starting life count' to make it more difficult for commander.
there’s gonna be a really steep condition to climb to be allowed to attack with the creature
How is that broken? In what format would that be broken? (There are better 2 card combos in EDH that don't require the attack step or a creature, and Vedalken Orrery + Felidar Sovereign in opponent's end step is already better)
That said, I really don't think the card will just be "if this attacks/hits player and you have 40 life, you win." It certainly is going to start with "X life above your starting life total" instead of just 40 life, if that is even the threshold, and I doubt that anyway.
I think new Omnath being WURG with the "2brid" mana symbols is possible, but I think it would then somehow care about the type of mana you spend to cast it.
Why people think of white as lifegain wincondition only? Try to think of it like Liliana's Contract for exemple
Whenever ~~ attacks, if you have at least 6 creatures cards with diferent names in your graveyard and between them there is 10 distinct creatures types shared between at least 2 of those creatures, you may Sacrifice ~~~. If you do you win the game.
• An artifact granting +2/+2 to a subset of creatures that first appeared in Alpha
I've been thinking what this subset could be, if it isn't creature type (because creature type would be a pretty lame reveal, especially if it's something as common as vampire or elf).
Could it be face-down creatures? They were technicallyintroduced in alpha, although how much that counts as "subset of creatures appearing in alpha" is debatable. If so I assume there would be a new face-down mechanic, similar to manifest. Or maybe they bring back manifest? It's the superior morph anyway and needs to be brought back.
Why people think of white as lifegain wincondition only? Try to think of it like Liliana's Contract for exemple
Whenever ~~ attacks, if you have at least 6 creatures cards with diferent names in your graveyard and between them there is 10 distinct creatures types shared between at least 2 of those creatures, you may Sacrifice ~~~. If you do you win the game.
ps or if they don't share a creature type
It is the most likely outcome. We were getting a tone of life gain in the past few sets and it seems that the trend isn't becoming old. In addition it would fit to the Felidar-cat thing that seems to be a zendikar cat race.
The card could be a nice finisher for the build around ajani's pridemates, heliod, daxos, Ajani, Linden and some other life gain sources.
I am not sure if there is even another deck type in white in the moment. Are token a thing?
Where does the hint say "instantly"?
Very interesting...That would be in line with Maro's past play on words. It could just be a Felidar Sovereign reprint.
His sentence doesn't say "opponent loses the game immediately." The opponent could lose the game later (or during your upkeep).
You did read the statement right?
”lose the game by simply attacking them”
that sounds like instant kill to me
Nor is it implied.
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What about something like:
Tyria, Trapped in Stone 1WW
Legendary Creature — Ascended Human Warrior Mythic
Whenever Tyria, Trapped in Stone deals combat damage to a player,
if there are less than 3 fracture counters on Tyria, instead
put a fracture counter on Tyria, and Tyria deals 0 combat damage
this turn. If there are 3 or more fracture counters on Tyria, instead
that player loses the game.
"Nahiri imprisoned me in that stone hundreds of years ago. I have been punching
my way out ever since." — Tyria, probably
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Omnath costing 2/w 2/u 2/r 2/g
Double face cards - creatures with 5 creature types
Coward appearing as a creature type on an actual creature card typeline
I saw this on mtgnexus and (2/R)(2/U) May have actually Ben used three times Not twice
https://scryfall.com/card/htr17/2/inzerva-master-of-insights
If inzerva counts then it can’t be blue and red
And B there’s another mana symbol that has Ben used twice and only twice
It’s located on Emrakul, the Aeons Torn And Mox Lotus
For those playing at home the symbol is 15
So (2/W)(2/B)(2/G)15 Might be are answer which is 4
Pretty sure Inzerva doesn't count.
I'm not sure if Mark would count Mox Lotus as it is an uncard, but I'm sure they wouldn't make a card that costs 15(2/W)(2/B)(2/G). That's quite an awkward cost and would be the new most expensive card ever printed.
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Could this be something as simple as, "whenever this creature attacks, you and defending player draw a card." so technically if they have no cards in their library they lose no matter how much life they have?
Even. The converted mana cost is 8.
The wording is precisely why I don't think it's going to be creature types. There's nothing special about a card boosting vampires or elves.
What else could it be? I have absolutely no clue.
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/627769020802891776/hey-i-love-the-teasers-keep-going-with-them-in
None of the teasers are reprints so the white attack and kill is not felidar sovereign
and the coward one is not Boldwyr Intimidator
Well, it was pretty obvious. The felidar triggers on upkeep and not attack phase. Boldwyr isn't a place on Zendikar.
By the way, the white card could be felidar #2 that let you win if it attacks and you have 40 or more life.
thats way too broken Exhibit A
there’s gonna be a really steep condition to climb to be allowed to attack with the creature
The opponent can see it a few turns ahead if you play it to early and even when you cast the creature while having 40 or a little less life you have a whole turn to deal with it. When the creature ends up costing 6 like Felidar the combo will be more expensive than a lot other "I win the game"-combo and we are speaking from 1 opponent lose. Felidar is already a thing and can be flashed out with another card like Winding Canyons, Emergence Zone, Vedalken Orrery etc.
I could see that they will use the new template for such life total count trigger. 'X more life that starting life count' to make it more difficult for commander.
How is that broken? In what format would that be broken? (There are better 2 card combos in EDH that don't require the attack step or a creature, and Vedalken Orrery + Felidar Sovereign in opponent's end step is already better)
That said, I really don't think the card will just be "if this attacks/hits player and you have 40 life, you win." It certainly is going to start with "X life above your starting life total" instead of just 40 life, if that is even the threshold, and I doubt that anyway.
I think new Omnath being WURG with the "2brid" mana symbols is possible, but I think it would then somehow care about the type of mana you spend to cast it.
Whenever ~~ attacks, if you have at least 6 creatures cards with diferent names in your graveyard and between them there is 10 distinct creatures types shared between at least 2 of those creatures, you may Sacrifice ~~~. If you do you win the game.
ps or if they don't share a creature type
I've been thinking what this subset could be, if it isn't creature type (because creature type would be a pretty lame reveal, especially if it's something as common as vampire or elf).
Could it be face-down creatures? They were technically introduced in alpha, although how much that counts as "subset of creatures appearing in alpha" is debatable. If so I assume there would be a new face-down mechanic, similar to manifest. Or maybe they bring back manifest? It's the superior morph anyway and needs to be brought back.
I don't know what this is, but it sounds awesome.
It is the most likely outcome. We were getting a tone of life gain in the past few sets and it seems that the trend isn't becoming old. In addition it would fit to the Felidar-cat thing that seems to be a zendikar cat race.
The card could be a nice finisher for the build around ajani's pridemates, heliod, daxos, Ajani, Linden and some other life gain sources.
I am not sure if there is even another deck type in white in the moment. Are token a thing?
ive Ben thinking about this one
it might be Wrexial, the Risen Deep 2.0 or just a group hug permanent
Looking at the Alpha list, my guess is it's 0/0 creatures. If it's not a creature type, there's not a whole lot of unique creature qualities in Alpha.
Edit - either that or token creatures, and I'd LOVE that. Would go right into my Superfriends.