Theyre both solid, im not arguing that but i still want to test him because there are some advantages. If i mill either of the other finishers with shrieker they are gone, but with ruinator it becomes a pseudo draw. He's also 3 mana, which is much less strenous on my mana, guaranteeing i can win the counter war on that axis if need be.
3 IS probably wrong though, so i might put at that at 2 instead and go up on something else. I want a main deck hardcounter or two anyways to get additional utility out of snapcaster.
The point here is that how is the deck going to work? The only viable way to get him into the graveyard or anything into the graveyard is off your land which is incredibly slow or off your mindshrieker. And all that aside your creature count is still remarkably low. He may be cheap that is true but casting him for your deck is very unreliable. And honestly...If you mill a grave titan or consecrated sphinx with your mindshrieker...why are you not winning? How would the skaab help you in that circumstance? The only advantage the skaab gives you is that he is a recurrable threat which you will recur a grand total of once per duel on average. You only run enough creatures to play him 3 times in total as a whole and that is assuming literally every other creature in your deck is dead. By cutting him down to 2 you further reduce the creature count and neuter your odds of making him useful even more. If you want to use the skaab why do you need more then one? Regardless of whether he is in your hand or in your graveyard he will be castable right? And you don't want skaabs clogging your hand. So realistically you should only be running one skaab. He isn't abusable so there is no reason to run alot of him.
Yeah, he is G. Which makes Snapcaster Mage the best (actual) U creature.
Flashing Dismember is actually really awesome. You can take out an entire force on turn four with Snapcaster Mage; sure, it's 8 life, but in some cases that can completely cripple them. Later on, it becomes a bit less painful, so it can be an awesome way to take out Titans.
And yes, I did mean Flashback when I was talking about Ponder. It's not the best thing to do with Snapcaster Mage, but it is still a really good option.
To add some more shenanigans: Flashback Timely Reinforcements. Against anyone, six creatures and 12 life is game breaking.
I think these are the three best cards for Snapcaster Mage in T2.
Mentor of the Meek plays nicely with both Snapcaster Mage and Time Reinforcements. I'm going to try a deck with all of these cards. Hopefully it'll all go swell.
He is going to be pretty good, better take him pick 1 in drafts or get a couple boxes. Snapcaster + Brainstorm will be broken, so will Snapcaster + Removal Instants such as Doom Blade, GffT, and Dismember.
yea hes easily a top pick in draft, i really think this guy will shine with things like Mental Misstep and Noxious Revival, which recurs other things for free, Ponder is great to get more out of as well
So...has anyone actually broken this card? Or are we all talking about replaying 'good' cards with this guy? (That's all well and good, mind you..)
I'm just not seeing what all the fuss is over this guy. He's good, even very good, but I just don't see what all the "OMG!!" is about. I have multiple decks that feature very gamebreaking instants/sorceries and I'm not finding room for him in any of them. I'm just not seeing how this is worth the slots. Build around him, sure..but that's like 99% of the good cards they print now anyway.
Even snapping back an Ancestral Recall, sure that's good, but you're still investing 3 mana to do it. 3 mana for 3 cards? It's good, but not what I'd call mindblowing or anything. Instant speed helps a little, yes. Still..
you can't "break" this card. it does something thats fundamentally balanced. you can't get infinite recursions because flashback exiles the spell on resolution. you can't set up a degenerate combo because this is just an efficient way to draw an extra card. it guarantees that the card you draw is a useful one (since you've already used it once, presumably to good effect, already).
the creature could just as easily read as follows "when ~ etb, draw a card that is pretty good". thats why its great. its an efficient, consistent value creature. its not broken in any way that i know of and i somewhat doubt that its breakable.
gonna be a format staple in standard, and possibly in legacy as well. so its good. very good. but thats as far as it goes.
its the exact same principle as Dark Confidant, you cant break it, you play it in the right deck to best use its effect, and its a 2/1 beater for 2 that splashes easy and makes your deck a billion times better.
they did a good job with this puppy, id pick him up now and collect any extra copies cuz a couple years from now he'll be at Bob prices, assuming they havent creeped the hell out of creatures by then
So...has anyone actually broken this card? Or are we all talking about replaying 'good' cards with this guy? (That's all well and good, mind you..)
I'm just not seeing what all the fuss is over this guy. He's good, even very good, but I just don't see what all the "OMG!!" is about. I have multiple decks that feature very gamebreaking instants/sorceries and I'm not finding room for him in any of them. I'm just not seeing how this is worth the slots. Build around him, sure..but that's like 99% of the good cards they print now anyway.
Even snapping back an Ancestral Recall, sure that's good, but you're still investing 3 mana to do it. 3 mana for 3 cards? It's good, but not what I'd call mindblowing or anything. Instant speed helps a little, yes. Still..
He's utility. Utility creatures win games by genreating CA, not by doing something inherintly broken.
He's guaranteed CA, what more could you ask for from a 2/1 for 2 mana?
I never played with dark confidant, but depending on the meta, all you're doing is trading him for a bolt. Snapcaster mage, if you play it right, will always get you another card. I must be missing something, because confidant is a $50 card, but it seems like dark tutelage is even better, since it's harder to get rid of, and only 75 cents.
I never played with dark confidant, but depending on the meta, all you're doing is trading him for a bolt. Snapcaster mage, if you play it right, will always get you another card. I must be missing something, because confidant is a $50 card, but it seems like dark tutelage is even better, since it's harder to get rid of, and only 75 cents.
The problem with Dark Tutelage, is that a mana cost of 3 is much more awkward to deal with than 2. 2 is that perfect number, where you can drop it on turn 2 without much consequence, or you an wait till turn 4 and play it with counterspell backup.
Also, the fact that dark confidant is easily removed is what makes him so good. You don't kill yourself that way.
Just so it's clear, the way you remove your own Dark Confidant is by attacking your opponent so they have to block and trade, or by chumping a Tarmogoyf to gain back all that life you paid to him.
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I can see u/b control being tier one come rotation, with think twice and a flashbacking impulse. Flashbacking doomblades would be twisted. I'd run the deck with just grave titans and snapcaster mages as critters, rest of the deck would be instants and sorceries, maybe liliana of the veil, since you can make use of her first ability with this kind of deck.
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I want to Snapcaster spells that already have Flashback, just for funsies... I want to use him to Flashback Think Twice, for no good reason, and just have my opponent look at me funny
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Even snapping back an Ancestral Recall, sure that's good, but you're still investing 3 mana to do it. 3 mana for 3 cards? It's good, but not what I'd call mindblowing or anything. Instant speed helps a little, yes. Still..
I don't think of it as 3 mana for 3 cards; I think of it as 4 mana for 6 cards and a 2/1. That's none too shabby.
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When ~ enters the battlefield, draw 3 cards.
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The hard part to believe is that someone is saying this "isn't that great when used with Ancestral Recall."
Oh, if only SCM were this good. This makes Vendilion Clique look like a bad card (except that they'd be best buddies and just be run together).
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Snapcaster Jace is easily better than tarmogoyf. Like it is not even close, in every single format. The only thing that will stop this from being an $80 card is the fact that goyf was printed in much smaller numbers since it was in future sight and this will get drafted for an entire year.
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hes good, but im feeling hes a tad overrated, (yes using him with ancestrial recall reams) but with something like mana leak, you have a super situational (need leak in gy and such) mystic snake. im not saying hes bad but even if he was in future sight he wouldnt be a $50 rare
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The point here is that how is the deck going to work? The only viable way to get him into the graveyard or anything into the graveyard is off your land which is incredibly slow or off your mindshrieker. And all that aside your creature count is still remarkably low. He may be cheap that is true but casting him for your deck is very unreliable. And honestly...If you mill a grave titan or consecrated sphinx with your mindshrieker...why are you not winning? How would the skaab help you in that circumstance? The only advantage the skaab gives you is that he is a recurrable threat which you will recur a grand total of once per duel on average. You only run enough creatures to play him 3 times in total as a whole and that is assuming literally every other creature in your deck is dead. By cutting him down to 2 you further reduce the creature count and neuter your odds of making him useful even more. If you want to use the skaab why do you need more then one? Regardless of whether he is in your hand or in your graveyard he will be castable right? And you don't want skaabs clogging your hand. So realistically you should only be running one skaab. He isn't abusable so there is no reason to run alot of him.
I think these are the three best cards for Snapcaster Mage in T2.
Mentor of the Meek plays nicely with both Snapcaster Mage and Time Reinforcements. I'm going to try a deck with all of these cards. Hopefully it'll all go swell.
you're forgetting the part where flashback exiles the spell after it resolves.
I'm just not seeing what all the fuss is over this guy. He's good, even very good, but I just don't see what all the "OMG!!" is about. I have multiple decks that feature very gamebreaking instants/sorceries and I'm not finding room for him in any of them. I'm just not seeing how this is worth the slots. Build around him, sure..but that's like 99% of the good cards they print now anyway.
Even snapping back an Ancestral Recall, sure that's good, but you're still investing 3 mana to do it. 3 mana for 3 cards? It's good, but not what I'd call mindblowing or anything. Instant speed helps a little, yes. Still..
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the creature could just as easily read as follows "when ~ etb, draw a card that is pretty good". thats why its great. its an efficient, consistent value creature. its not broken in any way that i know of and i somewhat doubt that its breakable.
gonna be a format staple in standard, and possibly in legacy as well. so its good. very good. but thats as far as it goes.
they did a good job with this puppy, id pick him up now and collect any extra copies cuz a couple years from now he'll be at Bob prices, assuming they havent creeped the hell out of creatures by then
He's utility. Utility creatures win games by genreating CA, not by doing something inherintly broken.
He's guaranteed CA, what more could you ask for from a 2/1 for 2 mana?
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By comparison,Confidant is fairly bonkers. To quote: "makes your deck a billion times better."
I don't see this guy in the same ballpark at all, and also don't see his secondary price reaching anywhere near Bob's, for the same reason.
I do like him, for the record.
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The problem with Dark Tutelage, is that a mana cost of 3 is much more awkward to deal with than 2. 2 is that perfect number, where you can drop it on turn 2 without much consequence, or you an wait till turn 4 and play it with counterspell backup.
Also, the fact that dark confidant is easily removed is what makes him so good. You don't kill yourself that way.
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You can't do that with a Dark Tutelage.
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The mere idea of this existing makes me sad as it probably mean more blue bans in legacy, and means blue will stay neutered in modern.
It does sound like an insanely good deck though. BUG seems like the right color for it.
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Not as good as it seems since you can't flashback sorceries on your end step.
if your deck is mostly (80%+) instants it may work.
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I don't think of it as 3 mana for 3 cards; I think of it as 4 mana for 6 cards and a 2/1. That's none too shabby.
Recall Mage 1UU
Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
When ~ enters the battlefield, draw 3 cards.
2/1
The hard part to believe is that someone is saying this "isn't that great when used with Ancestral Recall."
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Oh, if only SCM were this good. This makes Vendilion Clique look like a bad card (except that they'd be best buddies and just be run together).
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