Mana Reflection 4GG
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If you tap a permanent for mana, it produces twice as much of that mana instead.
Does this effect stack? I know we don't have the 100% wording on this card. But based on the current wording does it mean that tapping a Forest produces GGGG instead of G if two of them are in play.
You tap a Llanowar Elves for mana. With the current wording given on Mana Reflection, you can only ever make it produce GG, since you only ever tap the Elves once.
Also, Dark Ritual will still only produce [mana]BBB[/card] as it is an Instant and Instant is not a permanent type.
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You tap a Llanowar Elves for mana. With the current wording given on Mana Reflection, you can only ever make it produce GG, since you only ever tap the Elves once.
Also, Dark Ritual will still only produce [mana]BBB[/card] as it is an Instant and Instant is not a permanent type.
I was basing my quote off his wording which while a bit more clear does not have permanent anywhere on the card. Also I am 100% aware of what happens with one in play I was talking about TWO IN PLAY under one persons control.
I was basing my quote off his wording which while a bit more clear does not have permanent anywhere on the card. Also I am 100% aware of what happens with one in play I was talking about TWO IN PLAY under one persons control.
Well, in the case of Mana Reflections saying "If a source you control would add mana to your mana pool, then yes, a Dark Ritual would add 6 black mana if one MR was in play.
I rethought the process and this is what I think will happen with multiple MRs controlled by the same player.
Example: 2 Mana Reflections you control
1. Llanowar Elves is tapped for
2. MR 1 sees the being added and doubles it to :symg::symg:
3. MR 2 sees the :symg::symg: being added and doubles it to GGGG
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Does a forest with an Overgrowth on it tap for GGGGGG if you have Mana Reflection in play? Or is it only GGGG (GG from Mana Reflection + GG from Overgrowth)?
I believe that you would only get GGGG, because Overgrowth generates the ability for adding the additional GG.
However if Overgrowth said "Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, it produces an additional GG", it would add GGGGGG. However, I could be wrong and would like to be corrected if that's the case.
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Having two or more Mana Reflection will trigger separately. What you have to determine is how the mana was made.
1 Mana Reflection (MR): tap a single mana producing land = 2 mana produced as a replacement effect
2 Mana Reflection: MR#1 and MR#2 both trigger and go onto the stack.
MR#2 resloves adding two replacement mana
MR#1 resloves adding two replacedment mana.
Why only two mana from MR#1 and not 4? This is because the two mana from MR#2 doesn't come from tapping a permanent, that mana is caused by the enchantment replacing the mana effect of the permanent.
Does a forest with an Overgrowth on it tap for GGGGGG if you have Mana Reflection in play? Or is it only GGGG (GG from Mana Reflection + GG from Overgrowth)?
It makes GGGG. Mana reflections only effects the mana the forest is making, not the enchantment. (The card says "when you tap..." you're not tapping the enchantment for mana, its a triggered ability)
As for two in play. Its the same ruling for two Furnace of Rath, or two doubling seasons.
It makes X4 mana instead of X2. Look at the card rulings in the card box for the furnace, or Saturday school for season.
Having two or more Mana Reflection will trigger separately. What you have to determine is how the mana was made.
No. They do not "trigger" they "replace." Mana reflections does not use the stack for two reasons. One, its a replacement effect, which do not use the stack, like regeneration. Two, its a mana ability, which never use the stack. The answer is right, X4, but the reasoning is wrong.
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If you tap a permanent for mana, it produces twice as much of that mana instead.
Does this effect stack? I know we don't have the 100% wording on this card. But based on the current wording does it mean that tapping a Forest produces GGGG instead of G if two of them are in play.
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This wording makes sense thanks but you still need to factor in from permanent only otherwise.
Dark Ritual produces BBBBBB with just one of these in play. I assume they would be fearful of ritual effects with this card.
Unless a source implies permanent only which I think is a tad confusing.
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You tap a Llanowar Elves for mana. With the current wording given on Mana Reflection, you can only ever make it produce GG, since you only ever tap the Elves once.
Also, Dark Ritual will still only produce [mana]BBB[/card] as it is an Instant and Instant is not a permanent type.
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I was basing my quote off his wording which while a bit more clear does not have permanent anywhere on the card. Also I am 100% aware of what happens with one in play I was talking about TWO IN PLAY under one persons control.
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Well, in the case of Mana Reflections saying "If a source you control would add mana to your mana pool, then yes, a Dark Ritual would add 6 black mana if one MR was in play.
I rethought the process and this is what I think will happen with multiple MRs controlled by the same player.
Example: 2 Mana Reflections you control
1. Llanowar Elves is tapped for
2. MR 1 sees the being added and doubles it to :symg::symg:
3. MR 2 sees the :symg::symg: being added and doubles it to GGGG
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However if Overgrowth said "Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, it produces an additional GG", it would add GGGGGG. However, I could be wrong and would like to be corrected if that's the case.
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1 Mana Reflection (MR): tap a single mana producing land = 2 mana produced as a replacement effect
2 Mana Reflection: MR#1 and MR#2 both trigger and go onto the stack.
MR#2 resloves adding two replacement mana
MR#1 resloves adding two replacedment mana.
Why only two mana from MR#1 and not 4? This is because the two mana from MR#2 doesn't come from tapping a permanent, that mana is caused by the enchantment replacing the mana effect of the permanent.
As for two in play. Its the same ruling for two Furnace of Rath, or two doubling seasons.
It makes X4 mana instead of X2. Look at the card rulings in the card box for the furnace, or Saturday school for season.
No. They do not "trigger" they "replace." Mana reflections does not use the stack for two reasons. One, its a replacement effect, which do not use the stack, like regeneration. Two, its a mana ability, which never use the stack. The answer is right, X4, but the reasoning is wrong.