The controller of Progenitus chooses whether it gets removed from the game or shuffled into its owner's library. There are two replacement effects trying to modify an event, and the controller of affected object gets to choose which effect to apply first.
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No. Prog's shuffle effect is a replacement effect just like Leyline of the Void's. Prog's controler will decide which one goes on the stack first. Leyline will not remove him from the game just like it does not remove DSC from the game.
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He never* hits the graveyard, that effect is replaced. even if he did, like Vigor etc, APNAP would have little relevance.* it is possible in a corner case, figure it out rules fanatics!
thus the reason why i put hits in quotation.
both progenitals and leyline are replacement effects... so APNAP takes effect to see where it ends up.
419.9a If two or more replacement or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object’s controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply. If any of those effects are self-replacement effects (see rule 419.6d), one of them must be chosen. If not, but any of those effects would modify under whose control an object would come into play, one of them must be chosen. Otherwise, any of the applicable effects may be chosen. Once the chosen effect has been applied, this process is repeated (taking into account only replacement or prevention effects that would now be applicable) until there are no more left to apply. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 103.4).
Example: Two permanents are in play. One is an enchantment that reads “If a card would be put into a graveyard, instead remove it from the game,” and the other is a creature that reads “If [this creature] would be put into a graveyard from play, instead shuffle it into its owner’s library.” The controller of the creature that would be destroyed decides which replacement to apply first; the other does nothing.
APNAP only enters consideration when two players control an affected object. Azngenius was (shudder) right.
Oh no, I already traded away my playset! Nice find, though.
And very playable, unlike some of the other suggestions.
Sudden Spoiling + any 2 power blocker bins Progenitus fast. Progenitus' controller doesn't even have a chance to react because of the Split Second.
No.
"If Progenitus would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Progenitus and shuffle it into its owner's library instead."
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Yes. Protection only works in play.
Draft it on Cubetutor!
Sudden Spoiling + Shock / Cursed Scroll = Bye-Bye Mr. P
No. Prog's shuffle effect is a replacement effect just like Leyline of the Void's. Prog's controler will decide which one goes on the stack first. Leyline will not remove him from the game just like it does not remove DSC from the game.
if progenitus "hits" the grave during your turn, you can remove him from the game due to APNAP.
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official rules advisor. it gets me there.
thus the reason why i put hits in quotation.
both progenitals and leyline are replacement effects... so APNAP takes effect to see where it ends up.
official rules advisor. it gets me there.
Eeew...:sick:
But anyways;
APNAP only enters consideration when two players control an affected object. Azngenius was (shudder) right.
EDIT: Yeah, that would be why.
Sigh. It targets.
(search) Oracle Rules Text, BOOLEAN, "NOT target" (or "-target")
Oh no, I already traded away my playset! Nice find, though.
And very playable, unlike some of the other suggestions.
Sudden Spoiling + any 2 power blocker bins Progenitus fast. Progenitus' controller doesn't even have a chance to react because of the Split Second.
Cancel
Even the (IMO) worst counter in standard can take care of it.
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Um... Hardcast him then play suddenspoiling, then attack with him?
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