Currently in a game. I play this guy, hard casted. He claims that its ability is a triggered ability, and that he can respond to my choosing a color with Path to Exile. I say that as soon as it enters play, I choose a color and he can't PTE it.
if you named white he can not path it. Right as it hits that color is dead to him. i hope i helped out a bit. there was discussion on this in the Zen spoiler thing.
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I play tezzeret, agent of bolas in a non artifact deck... want to fight about it?
just to clarify, it's not a triggered ability. When an ability says "as X comes into play" it is a replacement effect that modifies how something comes into play.
Prime example of the difference between "WHEN" and "AS"
"AS" really means "BEFORE"
No, the word as denotes simultaneity.
Players simply cannot play spells or activate abilities as another spell or ability is resolving because no one has priority. A creature spell resolves by leaving the stack, ceasing to be a spell, and becoming a creature permanent. So by the time the caster of BS angel receives priority again, no player can player spells of the selected color.
Recent discussions here and elsewhere have made it clear that there seems to be a group of players who consider blue and control synonymous, as if they somehow started playing a game with four identical and "bad" colors that do nothing interesting because they just "turn men sideways" and then true, glorious blue, the only thinking person's color.
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Weird. Apparently Duel of the Planeswalkers does this wrong. If you cast Voice of All and choose a color, a response kill in that color can still be played and take effect.
Wait a moment, if this is the way it works... can I counter Iona with Counterspell if they say Blue?
of course. anything can be countered, unless it says 'can't be countered'. like these posts say, you cannot play the chosen color once iona resolves. thats why every time you play a creature or spell...your actually 'attempting to play "xxxxx"'......if its not countered...its played.
In order to actually stop Iona and its spiffy colour declaration, you would need to play something like essence scatter that never lets Iona come into play.
i've got something i'd like cleared up about her too.
let's say i play her and name blue.
the next turn i play journey to nowhere on her to exile her.
then i return journey to my hand (let's say into the roil).
i know that when she returns to play i name red.
would my opponent then be locked out of blue and red, or just red?
im assuming once she leaves play, her effect goes away so only red is locked.
i've got something i'd like cleared up about her too.
let's say i play her and name blue.
the next turn i play journey to nowhere on her to exile her.
then i return journey to my hand (let's say into the roil).
i know that when she returns to play i name red.
would my opponent then be locked out of blue and red, or just red?
im assuming once she leaves play, her effect goes away so only red is locked.
thanks.
Her effect goes away, its a static effect that lasts as long as she is in play, if she leaves play and comes back the game treats her as a completly differant card.
Ok, i got into a MAJOR argument over this so i really need to clarify this question.
According to the arguer the were multiple floor rulings at Worlds that allowed plays wityh "as ~ enters the battlefield" to have predetermined conditions before the spell even resolved, such as Clone gaining the uncounterable clause from a Great Sable Stag or much worse making Iona "uncounterable" by naming blue before the spell even resolves. Is this true? IF so why did they decide to do this? Is it really that hard to comprehend that the spell is resolving but the dude (or dudette in Iona's case) is not on the field? That is the last part of resolving the spell, putting it on the battlefield right?
According to the arguer the were multiple floor rulings at Worlds that allowed plays wityh "as ~ enters the battlefield" to have predetermined conditions before the spell even resolved, such as Clone gaining the uncounterable clause from a Great Sable Stag or much worse making Iona "uncounterable" by naming blue before the spell even resolves. Is this true?
Unequivocally, no.
The ability that says "As ~ enters the battlefield..." is simply a static ability that creates a replacement effect that modifies the event of the object entering the battlefield. Before that point, the object is in whatever zone it currently is and that effect hasn't been applied. After that point, the object is on the battlefield and the effect has been applies.
If you cast Clone, it's a Clone spell on the stack. Not a Great Sable Stag or Iona. (Thus, neither of those objects' abilities apply.) Once Clone resolves, that replacement effect modifies how Clone enters the battlefield. Once that happens, the Clone is a Great Sable Stag/Iona on the battlefield.
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AS iona COMES INTO PLAY choose a color it.
if you named white he can not path it. Right as it hits that color is dead to him. i hope i helped out a bit. there was discussion on this in the Zen spoiler thing.
Yeah, I was going to name white, but he played PTE as soon as I cast it. Real noob.
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No, the word as denotes simultaneity.
Players simply cannot play spells or activate abilities as another spell or ability is resolving because no one has priority. A creature spell resolves by leaving the stack, ceasing to be a spell, and becoming a creature permanent. So by the time the caster of BS angel receives priority again, no player can player spells of the selected color.
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You can counter her because she is still on the stack when you would counter the spell. She hasn't named blue until she resolved and comes into play.
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of course. anything can be countered, unless it says 'can't be countered'. like these posts say, you cannot play the chosen color once iona resolves. thats why every time you play a creature or spell...your actually 'attempting to play "xxxxx"'......if its not countered...its played.
When, At or Whenever
that's it.
If it doesnt say one of those three, it's not a triggered ability.
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let's say i play her and name blue.
the next turn i play journey to nowhere on her to exile her.
then i return journey to my hand (let's say into the roil).
i know that when she returns to play i name red.
would my opponent then be locked out of blue and red, or just red?
im assuming once she leaves play, her effect goes away so only red is locked.
thanks.
Her effect goes away, its a static effect that lasts as long as she is in play, if she leaves play and comes back the game treats her as a completly differant card.
According to the arguer the were multiple floor rulings at Worlds that allowed plays wityh "as ~ enters the battlefield" to have predetermined conditions before the spell even resolved, such as Clone gaining the uncounterable clause from a Great Sable Stag or much worse making Iona "uncounterable" by naming blue before the spell even resolves. Is this true? IF so why did they decide to do this? Is it really that hard to comprehend that the spell is resolving but the dude (or dudette in Iona's case) is not on the field? That is the last part of resolving the spell, putting it on the battlefield right?
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Unequivocally, no.
The ability that says "As ~ enters the battlefield..." is simply a static ability that creates a replacement effect that modifies the event of the object entering the battlefield. Before that point, the object is in whatever zone it currently is and that effect hasn't been applied. After that point, the object is on the battlefield and the effect has been applies.
If you cast Clone, it's a Clone spell on the stack. Not a Great Sable Stag or Iona. (Thus, neither of those objects' abilities apply.) Once Clone resolves, that replacement effect modifies how Clone enters the battlefield. Once that happens, the Clone is a Great Sable Stag/Iona on the battlefield.
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