Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Land
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle enters the battlefield tapped.
Whenever a Mountain enters the battlefield under your control, if you control five other Mountains, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle deals 3 damage to target creature or player.
:symtap:: Add to your mana pool.
If I cast Scapeshift, sacrificing 6 lands, and search up 2-4 Valakut + the remainder in Mountains, is my opponent dead or not? I think this works, and I think the damage breaks down as follows:
for the damage to happen that way, you would have to already have 5 mountains in play on top of those lands coming onto the battlefield. the ability doesnt trigger unless 5 mountains are in play w/ Valalkut. so damage wouldnt start triggering until you have prismatic omen, 4 mountains, and 1 valakut are in play under your control.
for the damage to happen that way, you would have to already have 5 mountains in play on top of those lands coming onto the battlefield. the ability doesnt trigger unless 5 mountains are in play w/ Valalkut. so damage wouldnt start triggering until you have prismatic omen, 4 mountains, and 1 valakut are in play under your control.
Incorrect. Scapeshift works the same way as Warp World would, all of the lands come into the battlefield at the SAME TIME. so as all of them enter Valalkut will start triggering because (it itself is now a mountain) and as long as you have 5 Lands while using Scapeshift (and Omen obv) it should trigger completely, so if you Sac all your lands (say 5 Forests) with Prismatic Omen to a Scapeshift and dig up 5 lands (again, let's say 2 Valalkut and 3 Mountains) The game will See 5 "Mountains" entering the battlefield and both Valalkut's will Trigger accordingly, dealing (or should) 30 damage to target player.
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true, you'd have to have at least 6 lands in play to "get it to trigger" and get the best of the ability, but it does read "other" so if you sac 6 forests, to retrieve 2 Valalkut's and 4 Mountains, it will see eachother and (an other) mountain, and trigger 5 times (each)
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I believe it would trigger once for each Mountain that enters the field; each trigger, upon resolving, will see 5 other, distinct Mountains, and therefore allow you to deal 3 damage to something worthy. So with 4 Valakuts and 2 other lands, you should get 24 successful triggers = 72 damage.
Are you sure it doesn't trigger 6 times (once for itself also being a mountain that entered the battlefield)?
Valalkut reads "OTHER" Mountain, So no it wouldn't trigger off itself, however Each Valalkut would See the other one, and trigger, because it's a Land - Mountain (Not basic, but i'm sure that's a duh)
If for some Random Weird sequence that triggered something like this, (either by Warp World or Scapeshift) and (6 permanents/Lands) (barring Prismatic Omen being Warped out, which would Invalidate the whole thing)
Each Valalkut would then see the Other Valalkut enter the battlefield as a Mountain, and Trigger since there are 5 "Other" Mountains (+4 Basic Mountains) and Each of them would Trigger 5 times, which 6*5 = 30) you'd deal 30 direct damage to target player (or 30 to your choice of target creatures :P)
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Valalkut reads "OTHER" Mountain, So no it wouldn't trigger off itself, however Each Valalkut would See the other one, and trigger, because it's a Land - Mountain (Not basic, but i'm sure that's a duh)
If for some Random Weird sequence that triggered something like this, (either by Warp World or Scapeshift) and (6 permanents/Lands) (barring Prismatic Omen being Warped out, which would Invalidate the whole thing)
Each Valalkut would then see the Other Valalkut enter the battlefield as a Mountain, and Trigger since there are 5 "Other" Mountains (+4 Basic Mountains) and Each of them would Trigger 5 times, which 6*5 = 30) you'd deal 30 direct damage to target player (or 30 to your choice of target creatures :P)
Where does it say that Valalkut is a Land - Mountain? Even in the spoiler and the OP of the original thread, it's simply a "Land." So how do we know it's a Mountain?
Where does it say that Valalkut is a Land - Mountain? Even in the spoiler and the OP of the original thread, it's simply a "Land." So how do we know it's a Mountain?
I think you missed the first post where the OP states "with Prismatic Omen" in play. This makes your lands all land types....hence it is a moutain no matter what is printed on the card.
I think you missed the first post where the OP states "with Prismatic Omen" in play. This makes your lands all land types....hence it is a moutain no matter what is printed on the card.
Are you sure it doesn't trigger 6 times (once for itself also being a mountain that entered the battlefield)?
People posted the right answer, but for the wrong reason.
Valakut won't count itself for the same reason you don't gain a life when you play Soul Warden: Cards never see themselves entering/leaving zones unless an ability specifically asks if ~that card~ did so.
What a cool deck idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Valakut was part of a cycle, at which point you may have a lot of wiley effects to choose from, or all at once!
Vesuva needs a land on the battlefield to copy. Since Valakut is entering the battlefield at the same time, Vesuva won't be able to copy it.
That's why you copy one that's already in play. On the off chance that this happens later than it should, you can always Shift all the lands except your Already-on-the-battlefield Valakut.
Vesuva doesn't have to be scape shifted, but it can be if necessary. It just maximizes what you have. Should you have 1 Valakut in play and you scapeshift into it. There's also the other scenario where you don't get scapeshift, but i think the deck would have a bunch of ramp spells. Why not drop Valakut and vesuva copying valakut, then play your ramp spells and hit 6 anyway. Or another scenario, Vesuva is a CIPT Forest/Mountain/Valakut, take your pick.
I was thinking maybe Second Sunrise combo deck with scapeshift + valakut in the mix for a deck.
You guys seem to take it for granted that Valakut works with Prismatic Omen. It seems to me that it will not work, since I think Valakut need lands named Mountain, but Prismatic Omen only gives the the land type Mountain.
Can anyone confirm how it actually will work?
EDIT: Nevermind. Reading Kird Ape it seems the Primatic Omen will indeed work.
Add life from the loam here or realm razer from some alt win conditions.
Btw, can elsewhere flask help here? I mean, can it substitute prismatic omen? (sac before scapeshift, if not like that how?)
1. Elsewhere Flask erases everything else the lands say, so Valakut won't have its ability.
2. I may be mistaken on this, but I'm pretty sure it only affects the lands currently in play, so lands you fetched after popping it wouldn't automatically be Mountains.
Omen works as we want it to for this awesome deck type i just have to build.
its a static ability so it does not use the stack. it will work like the lieges do, so a redcap or a mountain will come into play and deal more damage/ come into play as a forest etc
Omen works as we want it to for this awesome deck type i just have to build.
its a static ability so it does not use the stack. it will work like the lieges do, so a redcap or a mountain will come into play and deal more damage/ come into play as a forest etc
If that second part was directed at me, I was referring to Elsewhere Flask.
I can confirm that Prismatic Omen does Work with Valakut, I just got smoked by it on Mtgo, so the ruling that it counts them as mountains is correct. The deck was incredible, Playing the treehouse doran list 3 qasali pridemage, but still got clowned for 72 damage out of the blue. on like turn 4. He had 6 lands, 2 valakuts, scape for 2 more vala and 2 other lands, they all trigger simultaneously when Omen is in play, and wreck face.
Also, no one has mentioned how it works with fetchlands. It makes them able to tap for mana as well as able to search for another.
It was extremely cool to see first hand. I honestly don't know how I could have won.
If anyones interested I have a rough list of cards I saw him use, the game vid isnt up yet.
Prismatic Omen
Negate
Mana Leak
Kitchen Finks
Sea Gate Oracle
Ponder
Preordain
Explore
Cryptic Command
Scapeshift
Flooded Grove
Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
I dont know the exact numbers or anything, thos eare the cards I remember and give a rough estimate to the build.
Is it just me, or is part of the problem the vague wording on Valakut itself?
Valakut says:
"Whenever a mountain gets played" + "If you control 5 other mountains"
Taken in the context printed on the card, this is quite ambiguous in terms of the word "other". Does this mean that you need 5 mountains other than the one that just entered the battlefield, or do you need 5 mountains *including* the one that just entered the battlefield other than valakut itself (which ironically is not a mountain).
In the actual 'correct' usage, the 'other' clause has no purpose in normal play unless shenanigans have taken place to make Valakut into a mountain, like prismatic omen. Which makes me wonder why it is written on there in the first place?
Fetchlands can't actually fetch other fetchlands with prismatic out- only lands you control (on the battlefield) are affected by prismatic omen. Hence lands still in your library or hand will not be all basic land types.
Land
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle enters the battlefield tapped.
Whenever a Mountain enters the battlefield under your control, if you control five other Mountains, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle deals 3 damage to target creature or player.
:symtap:: Add to your mana pool.
Prismatic Omen
Scapeshift
With Prismatic Omen in play....
If I cast Scapeshift, sacrificing 6 lands, and search up 2-4 Valakut + the remainder in Mountains, is my opponent dead or not? I think this works, and I think the damage breaks down as follows:
1 Valakut, 5 mountains = 18 damage (6 triggers, including itself?)
2 Valakut, 4 mountains = 36 damage (12 triggers)
3 Valakut, 3 mountains = 54 damage (18 triggers)
4 Valakut, 2 mountains = 72 damage (24 triggers)
Can a rules guru confirm or deny, please?
If your answer is "No," then your morality does not come from God's commandments.
If your answer is "Yes," then please, please reconsider.
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Incorrect. Scapeshift works the same way as Warp World would, all of the lands come into the battlefield at the SAME TIME. so as all of them enter Valalkut will start triggering because (it itself is now a mountain) and as long as you have 5 Lands while using Scapeshift (and Omen obv) it should trigger completely, so if you Sac all your lands (say 5 Forests) with Prismatic Omen to a Scapeshift and dig up 5 lands (again, let's say 2 Valalkut and 3 Mountains) The game will See 5 "Mountains" entering the battlefield and both Valalkut's will Trigger accordingly, dealing (or should) 30 damage to target player.
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If your answer is "No," then your morality does not come from God's commandments.
If your answer is "Yes," then please, please reconsider.
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If your answer is "No," then your morality does not come from God's commandments.
If your answer is "Yes," then please, please reconsider.
Valalkut reads "OTHER" Mountain, So no it wouldn't trigger off itself, however Each Valalkut would See the other one, and trigger, because it's a Land - Mountain (Not basic, but i'm sure that's a duh)
If for some Random Weird sequence that triggered something like this, (either by Warp World or Scapeshift) and (6 permanents/Lands) (barring Prismatic Omen being Warped out, which would Invalidate the whole thing)
Each Valalkut would then see the Other Valalkut enter the battlefield as a Mountain, and Trigger since there are 5 "Other" Mountains (+4 Basic Mountains) and Each of them would Trigger 5 times, which 6*5 = 30) you'd deal 30 direct damage to target player (or 30 to your choice of target creatures :P)
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Where does it say that Valalkut is a Land - Mountain? Even in the spoiler and the OP of the original thread, it's simply a "Land." So how do we know it's a Mountain?
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UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
I think you missed the first post where the OP states "with Prismatic Omen" in play. This makes your lands all land types....hence it is a moutain no matter what is printed on the card.
sorry, i did miss that. my bad...
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
People posted the right answer, but for the wrong reason.
Valakut won't count itself for the same reason you don't gain a life when you play Soul Warden: Cards never see themselves entering/leaving zones unless an ability specifically asks if ~that card~ did so.
It's not even that hard to ramp to six lands by turn 4. And since you'll have 2 mana open when you cast Scapeshift, it's trivial to protect it.
If your answer is "No," then your morality does not come from God's commandments.
If your answer is "Yes," then please, please reconsider.
Prismatic Omen + Scapeshift, sac 6 lands, grab Valakut + Vesuva!
Why is that better than just grabbing two Valakut?
If your answer is "No," then your morality does not come from God's commandments.
If your answer is "Yes," then please, please reconsider.
Vesuva needs a land on the battlefield to copy. Since Valakut is entering the battlefield at the same time, Vesuva won't be able to copy it.
That's why you copy one that's already in play. On the off chance that this happens later than it should, you can always Shift all the lands except your Already-on-the-battlefield Valakut.
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I don't even know right now.
I was thinking maybe Second Sunrise combo deck with scapeshift + valakut in the mix for a deck.
You guys seem to take it for granted that Valakut works with Prismatic Omen. It seems to me that it will not work, since I think Valakut need lands named Mountain, but Prismatic Omen only gives the the land type Mountain.
Can anyone confirm how it actually will work?
EDIT: Nevermind. Reading Kird Ape it seems the Primatic Omen will indeed work.
1. Elsewhere Flask erases everything else the lands say, so Valakut won't have its ability.
2. I may be mistaken on this, but I'm pretty sure it only affects the lands currently in play, so lands you fetched after popping it wouldn't automatically be Mountains.
its a static ability so it does not use the stack. it will work like the lieges do, so a redcap or a mountain will come into play and deal more damage/ come into play as a forest etc
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If that second part was directed at me, I was referring to Elsewhere Flask.
Also, no one has mentioned how it works with fetchlands. It makes them able to tap for mana as well as able to search for another.
It was extremely cool to see first hand. I honestly don't know how I could have won.
If anyones interested I have a rough list of cards I saw him use, the game vid isnt up yet.
Prismatic Omen
Negate
Mana Leak
Kitchen Finks
Sea Gate Oracle
Ponder
Preordain
Explore
Cryptic Command
Scapeshift
Flooded Grove
Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
I dont know the exact numbers or anything, thos eare the cards I remember and give a rough estimate to the build.
Bident Layers
B Devotion
RG Devotion
UW Control
Modern:
Jund
UW Control
Combo Pod
Legacy:
DeathBlade
RUG Delver
BUG Control
Valakut says:
"Whenever a mountain gets played" + "If you control 5 other mountains"
Taken in the context printed on the card, this is quite ambiguous in terms of the word "other". Does this mean that you need 5 mountains other than the one that just entered the battlefield, or do you need 5 mountains *including* the one that just entered the battlefield other than valakut itself (which ironically is not a mountain).
In the actual 'correct' usage, the 'other' clause has no purpose in normal play unless shenanigans have taken place to make Valakut into a mountain, like prismatic omen. Which makes me wonder why it is written on there in the first place?
Fetchlands can't actually fetch other fetchlands with prismatic out- only lands you control (on the battlefield) are affected by prismatic omen. Hence lands still in your library or hand will not be all basic land types.