This is a post meant to explain certain facets of these cards in a quick-to-find, hopefully not-very-verbose manner.
I. What?
- This is a Double-Faced Card (DFC for short). It has two distinct cards printed on both sides. It does not have the Magic: the Gathering logo with the color pentragram and Deckmaster box on it; both sides of the card have meaning and purpose in the game.
- These cards make use of a new action verb: transform. This means: "turn this card over if it's a double-faced card/DFC".
II. Card Characteristics
- In the example shown above, Civilized Scholar is a blue card, has mana cost 2U (therefore, converted mana cost 3), is uncommon, etc. Its other face is Homicidal Brute, which is red. The small red dot on the typeline indicates the color of the card, even though Homicidal Brute clearly has no mana cost (therefore, converted mana cost zero).
- The side with the Moon symbol (Homicidal Brute) only matters when it is on the battlefield, and with that side showing, due to Civilized Scholar transforming. In any other place (library, graveyard, hand, exile, etc.), Homicidal Brute effectively does not exist.
- Civilized Scholar is a mono blue card outside the battlefield. It is not, in any way, findable by effects looking for a red card or a multicolor card (such as Demand from Supply // Demand), or by effects looking for a converted mana cost less than three (e.g. - Beseech the Queen for CMC 0, 1, 2). When it is on the battlefield transformed into Homicidal Brute, and only then, is it a red card with CMC zero. No other time.
Example: Genesis Wave, with X = 2, reveals this card and one other (Birds of Paradise, let's say). The Birds are put onto the battlefield. The above card is not. Since it is in your library, the red side "doesn't" exist, and is ignored. All the game sees is the blue, Civilized Scholar side, which has converted mana cost 3, and therefore not meeting the criteria of Genesis Wave; it goes to the graveyard.
III. Transform vs. Morph
- To transform a permanent means to turn a DFC over. It only has meaning for a DFC, and for no other types of cards (as of this writing). Any instruction to transform a card that is not physically a DFC is ignored. When you do so, counters, Auras, anything that might be attached to or placed on the card remains in place (unless something on the now-showing side or the ability transforming it says otherwise).
- To morph a permanent means (now) to turn it over so that the MtG logo side is showing; in other words, it has no meaning to DFCs. They cannot turn face down, do not become 2/2 creatures (even with Ixidron entering the battlefield). Any instruction to turn a DFC face down ("morph it") is ignored. You could say they're "immune" to it.
IV. Copying
- In short, if a DFC should become a copy of something else, it stays that copy until the copy effect should expire (be it leaving the battlefield, the turn ending, and so on). This holds true even if the DFC transforms.
- If another card should become a copy of a DFC, it copies only the face that was showing.
- If another card should be a copy of a DFC and instructed to transform, it only transforms if the card has a second face.
Example: Mirrorweave is cast, turning every creature into a copy of Mayor of Avabruck, including Village Ironsmith and Elite Inquisitor. A player then plays Moonmist while the Mirroweave effect is active. Only the DFC cards (here, Village Ironsmith and the original Mayor of Avabruck) transform. The cards copying the Mayor still remain a copy of it until the turn ends, even if they might have become something else due to transforming. The Ironsmith, for example, will stay as the Mayor of Avabruck until the turn ends, even though the Ironfang side is now showing. The original Mayor will be Howlpack Alpha.
2nd Example: As above, except that Village Ironsmith is instead Ludevic's Test Subject. The test subject will become a copy of the Mayor, at which point it will be a Human Advisor Werewolf. The casting of Moonmist will cause the Test-Subject-Mayor to transform, as it is currently a Human, and it will become, eventually, a Abomination-Mayor (DFCs retain being a copy even if they transform). When Mirrorweave's effect wears off, you'll end up with Ludevic's Abomination in 13/13 glory, even though it transformed as a "Human" due to Moonmist's effect.
In both examples, should an effect cause our copies-of-the-mayor DFCs to transform again, they'll be turned over once more. (They're still a human, even though they transformed; the copy effect "overrides" both sides until it wears off.)
V. Checklist Cards
Due to the logistics of playing DFCs, from them not having the standard MtG back, Wizards of the Coast has provided what you could call an "official proxy", as shown above. This card has the standard MtG back, unlike token cards. It will be replacing the basic land card in your booster packs, not your token slot.
- To use this card, you clearly mark exactly one of the bubbles to indicate which card it is standing in for, write the power/toughness in the bottom right of the base form (to make it clear), and use it like a typical MtG card.
- You must use only this type of card, or only your DFC cards in your deck. You can't mix and match. Don't forget that every card in your deck must show the MtG back (or an opaque enough sleeve back) to the world while it's in your library, unless something's revealing the actual card, of course.
- You must prove you own the physical card (or cards) that this checklist card is proxying; the physical card must take the place of the checklist card once it enters a public zone for any reason (public zones are: the stack, battlefield, command, graveyard, face-up exile; face-down exile is not always viewable, therefore not public).
- If you're looking through your opponent's deck, and vice-versa, due to some effect (such as Cranial Extraction) and encounter one of these cards, you may look at both sides of the physical card, and your opponent has to produce it.
- If I were you, I'd make sure your opponents can produce physical copies for each one of these they have in their deck. It's an illegal deck otherwise. I'm talking tournaments, here.
VI. Miscellaneous
- This card always enters the battlefield, face up, on its "Day" side, no matter where it comes from.
- They can never be turned "face down".
- Both sides of the card are free game to be looked at, when this card is viewable by you due to it being in a public zone, in your hand, or an effect allows you to see it. Just because your opponent is flashing his cards or you're cheating doesn't mean you can halt proceedings and say "What's the other side say?" and expect an honest answer.
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It seems the rules committee on commander has already decided that these are going to be considered all colors front and back when making decklists. Hooray more cards limited to where they can be played despite intention of the designed card. Welcome transformers, you'll see you have many friends including phyrexian mana, hybrid, kobolds and cards that have off color activation costs in their rules text.
What is the infraction for failing to clearly mark on the checklist?
That one I'll have to let any judges reading this answer. I'm not a T.O. or fully versed on tournament rules and infractions and all that. I'm just trying to condense the nitty-gritty into sections, rather than the "oh by the way" of the article.
That said, it should be pretty clear that you shouldn't be "that guy" doing this, pretending to have two cards. It's also probably one reason why you write in power/toughness in the bottom right, to be clear. (Until we find out multiple DFCs have identical P/T on their front-face, that is.)
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
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What happens if I attempt to put a DFC face down into play using Illusionary Mask?
This is the one that probably made the rules gurus sigh a little, but my personal belief is that you can't do it; the card isn't a legitimate choice. It's an impossible action to put a DFC face down, for any reason (per the official article, they are "always face up, they are never face down"), and that's what Illusionary Mask says to do, strictly speaking. Just like you, technically, can't have a face down checklist card; it's supposed to be replaced by the real thing in most of the cases where face down would matter.
Addendum: Illusionary Mask says to cast it face down, in the Oracle; no dice there. Again, impossible action.
Addendum two: Just like you can't Illusionary Mask an instant or sorcery, in short, you can't with these. I mean, in theory you could for paper games, but you'll get bad juju once you reveal the "morph" for what it is. (Remember, you're required to prove your face down cards were legitimate face down cards!)
This is the one that probably made the rules gurus sigh a little, but my personal belief is that you can't do it; the card isn't a legitimate choice. It's an impossible action to put a DFC face down, for any reason (per the official article, they are "always face up, they are never face down"), and that's what Illusionary Mask says to do, strictly speaking. Just like you, technically, can't have a face down checklist card; it's supposed to be replaced by the real thing in most of the cases where face down would matter.
Addendum: Illusionary Mask says to cast it face down, in the Oracle; no dice there. Again, impossible action.
That sounds about right. Just figured I'd check, since they already covered the only other case that would result in a non-morph creature being face down (Ixidron).
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There is no mention of Morph in the Innistrad Mechanics article. Therefore, saying Double Faced Cards are immune to Ixidron and Illusionary Mask is baseless speculation.
Each card on the battlefield has various binary states it can be in, such as Tapped or Untapped, Phased In or Phased Out, Flipped and Unflipped, and Face Up or Face Down. The way you represent these characteristics is up to you, as long as it is clear to everyone playing. When I first started playing, we flipped tapped creatures over. Then with phasing, we flipped them over and still do. We also put creatures without haste upside down when we summoned them. As long as it was clear to everyone playing.
Just because a card has two faces does not mean that the face that is showing can't be turned faced down. It also does not mean that the other face is then "face up."
Face down means it is a 2/2 colorless creature with no abilities or colors. It does not mean "put the deckmaster back facing up." Unless WOTC says otherwise, you are guessing.
I'd recommend you read the below link, then, because I'm basically spelling out what's there. They kind of buried it in the Mechanics article. I can promise you this: it's straight from the horse's mouth that you cannot "morph" double-faced cards. They even explain Ixidron's case. I did take a liberty or two in how I phrased things, but so far as I know, didn't violate what is official information.
Someone brought up a good point earlier. Is it legal to write on the proxy card to give yourself a reminder as to what it does on both sides so you don't have to sit and shift through the double faced cards?
Someone brought up a good point earlier. Is it legal to write on the proxy card to give yourself a reminder as to what it does on both sides so you don't have to sit and shift through the double faced cards?
It's probably okay for general purposes, but I'd wait to hear what the official tournament rules say, to be perfectly safe. In the event you'd be marking them up like such and taking them to a PTQ let's say.
if my opponent has a DFC on the battlefield, can i just grab the card and turn it over just to see the abilities or the other face???
Basically, yes. I'll just quote the article:
Quote from WotC DFC Rules Article »
Any time a double-faced card is visible—whether because it's in a public zone, because it's revealed (say, by Telepathy), or because it's being looked at by a player due to an effect (say, Coercion)—the players who can see it can see both faces. Any player who can look at a checklist card in a hidden zone may look at the double-faced card it represents.
Example: Mirrorweave is cast, turning every creature into a copy of Mayor of Avabruck, including Village Ironsmith and Elite Inquisitor. A player then plays Moonmist while the Mirroweave effect is active. Only the DFC cards (here, Village Ironsmith and the original Mayor of Avabruck) transform. The cards copying the Mayor still remain a copy of it until the turn ends, even if they might have become something else due to transforming. The Ironsmith, for example, will stay as the Mayor of Avabruck until the turn ends, even though the Ironfang side is now showing. The original Mayor will be Howlpack Alpha.
Would suggest using a non-human DFC in this example; Ludevic's Test Subject instead of Village Ironsmith makes it clearer that Moonmist is triggering the copied transform ability rather than the card's own (plus Johnny can drool over the prospect of cheating 13/13 creatures into play using inane combos. I smell a new UG deck brewing.)
This card has the standard MtG back, unless token cards.
The card replaces a land, not a token. Or you meant to say "unlike token cards". Either way, it's probably useful to explain the distribution logistics of the checklist in the FAQ.
It's also probably one reason why you write in power/toughness in the bottom right, to be clear. (Until we find out multiple DFCs have identical P/T on their front-face, that is.)
So far, there have been multiple 1/1s, and the majority of the spoiled DFCs so far are 2/2s. I suspect the P/T box is there for player convenience, much like the mana costs are, to aid you when searching the library for cards with certaincharacteristics.
Would suggest using a non-human DFC in this example; Ludevic's Test Subject instead of Village Ironsmith makes it clearer that Moonmist is triggering the copied transform ability rather than the card's own (plus Johnny can drool over the prospect of cheating 13/13 creatures into play using inane combos. I smell a new UG deck brewing.)
The card replaces a land, not a token. Or you meant to say "unlike token cards". Either way, it's probably useful to explain the distribution logistics of the checklist in the FAQ.
So far, there have been multiple 1/1s, and the majority of the spoiled DFCs so far are 2/2s. I suspect the P/T box is there for player convenience, much like the mana costs are, to aid you when searching the library for cards with certaincharacteristics.
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Is it a known fact that the night side has have a cmc of 0? I cant find any confirmation and it seems like to important a fact for someone to have guessed or inference.
Is it a known fact that the night side has have a cmc of 0? I cant find any confirmation and it seems like to important a fact for someone to have guessed or inference.
Its the first point under card characteristics in the OP
- In the example shown above, Civilized Scholar is a blue card, has mana cost 2U (therefore, converted mana cost 3), is uncommon, etc. Its other face is Homicidal Brute, which is red. The small red dot on the typeline indicates the color of the card, even though Homicidal Brute clearly has no mana cost (therefore, converted mana cost zero).
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I. What?
- This is a Double-Faced Card (DFC for short). It has two distinct cards printed on both sides. It does not have the Magic: the Gathering logo with the color pentragram and Deckmaster box on it; both sides of the card have meaning and purpose in the game.
- These cards make use of a new action verb: transform. This means: "turn this card over if it's a double-faced card/DFC".
II. Card Characteristics
- In the example shown above, Civilized Scholar is a blue card, has mana cost 2U (therefore, converted mana cost 3), is uncommon, etc. Its other face is Homicidal Brute, which is red. The small red dot on the typeline indicates the color of the card, even though Homicidal Brute clearly has no mana cost (therefore, converted mana cost zero).
- The side with the Moon symbol (Homicidal Brute) only matters when it is on the battlefield, and with that side showing, due to Civilized Scholar transforming. In any other place (library, graveyard, hand, exile, etc.), Homicidal Brute effectively does not exist.
- Civilized Scholar is a mono blue card outside the battlefield. It is not, in any way, findable by effects looking for a red card or a multicolor card (such as Demand from Supply // Demand), or by effects looking for a converted mana cost less than three (e.g. - Beseech the Queen for CMC 0, 1, 2). When it is on the battlefield transformed into Homicidal Brute, and only then, is it a red card with CMC zero. No other time.
Example: Genesis Wave, with X = 2, reveals this card and one other (Birds of Paradise, let's say). The Birds are put onto the battlefield. The above card is not. Since it is in your library, the red side "doesn't" exist, and is ignored. All the game sees is the blue, Civilized Scholar side, which has converted mana cost 3, and therefore not meeting the criteria of Genesis Wave; it goes to the graveyard.
III. Transform vs. Morph
- To transform a permanent means to turn a DFC over. It only has meaning for a DFC, and for no other types of cards (as of this writing). Any instruction to transform a card that is not physically a DFC is ignored. When you do so, counters, Auras, anything that might be attached to or placed on the card remains in place (unless something on the now-showing side or the ability transforming it says otherwise).
- To morph a permanent means (now) to turn it over so that the MtG logo side is showing; in other words, it has no meaning to DFCs. They cannot turn face down, do not become 2/2 creatures (even with Ixidron entering the battlefield). Any instruction to turn a DFC face down ("morph it") is ignored. You could say they're "immune" to it.
IV. Copying
- In short, if a DFC should become a copy of something else, it stays that copy until the copy effect should expire (be it leaving the battlefield, the turn ending, and so on). This holds true even if the DFC transforms.
- If another card should become a copy of a DFC, it copies only the face that was showing.
- If another card should be a copy of a DFC and instructed to transform, it only transforms if the card has a second face.
Example: Mirrorweave is cast, turning every creature into a copy of Mayor of Avabruck, including Village Ironsmith and Elite Inquisitor. A player then plays Moonmist while the Mirroweave effect is active. Only the DFC cards (here, Village Ironsmith and the original Mayor of Avabruck) transform. The cards copying the Mayor still remain a copy of it until the turn ends, even if they might have become something else due to transforming. The Ironsmith, for example, will stay as the Mayor of Avabruck until the turn ends, even though the Ironfang side is now showing. The original Mayor will be Howlpack Alpha.
2nd Example: As above, except that Village Ironsmith is instead Ludevic's Test Subject. The test subject will become a copy of the Mayor, at which point it will be a Human Advisor Werewolf. The casting of Moonmist will cause the Test-Subject-Mayor to transform, as it is currently a Human, and it will become, eventually, a Abomination-Mayor (DFCs retain being a copy even if they transform). When Mirrorweave's effect wears off, you'll end up with Ludevic's Abomination in 13/13 glory, even though it transformed as a "Human" due to Moonmist's effect.
In both examples, should an effect cause our copies-of-the-mayor DFCs to transform again, they'll be turned over once more. (They're still a human, even though they transformed; the copy effect "overrides" both sides until it wears off.)
V. Checklist Cards
Due to the logistics of playing DFCs, from them not having the standard MtG back, Wizards of the Coast has provided what you could call an "official proxy", as shown above. This card has the standard MtG back, unlike token cards. It will be replacing the basic land card in your booster packs, not your token slot.
- To use this card, you clearly mark exactly one of the bubbles to indicate which card it is standing in for, write the power/toughness in the bottom right of the base form (to make it clear), and use it like a typical MtG card.
- You must use only this type of card, or only your DFC cards in your deck. You can't mix and match. Don't forget that every card in your deck must show the MtG back (or an opaque enough sleeve back) to the world while it's in your library, unless something's revealing the actual card, of course.
- You must prove you own the physical card (or cards) that this checklist card is proxying; the physical card must take the place of the checklist card once it enters a public zone for any reason (public zones are: the stack, battlefield, command, graveyard, face-up exile; face-down exile is not always viewable, therefore not public).
- If you're looking through your opponent's deck, and vice-versa, due to some effect (such as Cranial Extraction) and encounter one of these cards, you may look at both sides of the physical card, and your opponent has to produce it.
- If I were you, I'd make sure your opponents can produce physical copies for each one of these they have in their deck. It's an illegal deck otherwise. I'm talking tournaments, here.
VI. Miscellaneous
- This card always enters the battlefield, face up, on its "Day" side, no matter where it comes from.
- They can never be turned "face down".
- Both sides of the card are free game to be looked at, when this card is viewable by you due to it being in a public zone, in your hand, or an effect allows you to see it. Just because your opponent is flashing his cards or you're cheating doesn't mean you can halt proceedings and say "What's the other side say?" and expect an honest answer.
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That said, it should be pretty clear that you shouldn't be "that guy" doing this, pretending to have two cards. It's also probably one reason why you write in power/toughness in the bottom right, to be clear. (Until we find out multiple DFCs have identical P/T on their front-face, that is.)
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Not being a judge, but at least I'd say misrepresentation of gamestate, at worst probably cheating-fraud.
The stack is also a public zone.
Anyway, if I use Tempest Efreet's ability and a DFC proxy is revealed, do I gain ownership of the DFC, the proxy, or both?
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Addendum: Illusionary Mask says to cast it face down, in the Oracle; no dice there. Again, impossible action.
Addendum two: Just like you can't Illusionary Mask an instant or sorcery, in short, you can't with these. I mean, in theory you could for paper games, but you'll get bad juju once you reveal the "morph" for what it is. (Remember, you're required to prove your face down cards were legitimate face down cards!)
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That sounds about right. Just figured I'd check, since they already covered the only other case that would result in a non-morph creature being face down (Ixidron).
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Each card on the battlefield has various binary states it can be in, such as Tapped or Untapped, Phased In or Phased Out, Flipped and Unflipped, and Face Up or Face Down. The way you represent these characteristics is up to you, as long as it is clear to everyone playing. When I first started playing, we flipped tapped creatures over. Then with phasing, we flipped them over and still do. We also put creatures without haste upside down when we summoned them. As long as it was clear to everyone playing.
Just because a card has two faces does not mean that the face that is showing can't be turned faced down. It also does not mean that the other face is then "face up."
Face down means it is a 2/2 colorless creature with no abilities or colors. It does not mean "put the deckmaster back facing up." Unless WOTC says otherwise, you are guessing.
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Would suggest using a non-human DFC in this example; Ludevic's Test Subject instead of Village Ironsmith makes it clearer that Moonmist is triggering the copied transform ability rather than the card's own (plus Johnny can drool over the prospect of cheating 13/13 creatures into play using inane combos. I smell a new UG deck brewing.)
The card replaces a land, not a token. Or you meant to say "unlike token cards". Either way, it's probably useful to explain the distribution logistics of the checklist in the FAQ.
So far, there have been multiple 1/1s, and the majority of the spoiled DFCs so far are 2/2s. I suspect the P/T box is there for player convenience, much like the mana costs are, to aid you when searching the library for cards with certain characteristics.
Same as morph creatures. It retains all counters, auras, equipment etc. Whilst the card may now look different the game treats is as the same object.
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The color indicators appear to count as CDA that say ~ is x. You can't use Garruk Relentless in a mono green EDH deck.
Its the first point under card characteristics in the OP
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