* What happens here is that you can still activate it, thereby sacrificing a creature. You can still search your library, but the critter won't make it onto the battlefield. In essence, while this is out Birthing Pod reads: "1(G/P), T, Sacrifice a creature: Look at, then shuffle your library. Activate as a sorcery."
Spells with Cascade are cast from Exile, not from your library. Therefore, Grafdigger's Cage should have not effect on the playability of the Cascade mechanic.
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Jace bounce was a -1. He could do it 3 times before he would die. Liliana can only do it once before having to do her +1. Overall very disappointed with her unless we get Madness.
Crap, you're right, she's not as good as one of the single most overpowered cards ever printed. Unplayable!
Nor does it stop you from playing lands from your graveyard, ie crucible of worlds; playing is not casting- lands being the only type of card that sneaks this through.
There is one exception to the land rule: Dryad Arbor. You can't play Arbor off of Crucible, for example, because that would mean a creature would enter the battlefield from the graveyard.
On the other side of exceptions, you COULD, say, Unburial Rites a Phyrexian Metamorph and have it copy a non-creature artifact, since it would not enter the battlefield as a creature in that case. That seems like a relevant enough corner case to bring up.
EDIT: Upon re-reading the card, the Metamorph trick doesn't work. It specifies Creature *cards*, not just creatures.
So basically tutoring creatures into play, flashback, and reanimation. With the addition of Dark Ascension we'll have more flashback cards and Undying as well that get hated by the Cage.
So Living End is okay to use, since you exile the creatures in your graveyard first before you put them onto the battlefield, correct?
Correct the graveyard gets emptied into exile then the creatures that where there get moved to the now creatureless graveyard and the exiled creatures will still ETB.
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2UU, Remove a wish counter from Djinn of Wishes: Reveal the top card of your library. You may play that card without paying its mana cost. If you don't, exile it.
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2GG: Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a creature card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your graveyard.
The Djinn's ability seems to shut down because it specifically uses the words "play that card", but not certain.
CotW is more murky because you are revealing the card from the top of the library, then if its a creature it simply enters the battlefield. Is that considered 'playing' from the library?
The Djinn's ability seems to shut down because it specifically uses the words "play that card", but not certain.
CotW is more murky because you are revealing the card from the top of the library, then if its a creature it simply enters the battlefield. Is that considered 'playing' from the library?
The cage will shut down both as it has 2 seperate abilities. The second ability that prevents casting will shut of Djinn of wishes. The first ability on the cage reads.
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Creature cards can't enter the battlefield from graveyards or libraries
Will shut down any other form of library to battlefield creature tutoring be it from a Call of the wild any other spell/ability.
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Will shut down any other form of library to battlefield creature tutoring be it from a Call of the wild any other spell/ability.
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What throwing me off is the specific wording on Call of the Wild. Specifically, once the card is revealed from the top of the library, is it still part of the library, or is it in some phantom zone that isn't susceptible to the Cage?
Yes, it is still a part of your library. Consider cards that force you to reveal all or part of your hand to your opponent. Even though the opponent now has knowledge on what those cards are, they are still a part of your hand.
A good fail-safe in questions like this is to see if, on the rules text, the effect actually causes the card in question to be moved from the hand/library at all (usually to exile). If the card doesn't say "Put ~ into your graveyard/exile it/etc." then it's almost certain the card doesn't move. Player(s) just gain knowledge of what it is.
Seriously, everyone is saying not to worry about this card but look at just how powerful it is. If you are running a deck and you do not have an answer pronto you auto lose. It is crazy.
Just to reiterate what 13055 said there are no 'phantom zones' in mtg something is either in one of the game zones or another.
With out any other directions that a card leaves a specific zone if you are told to reveal something as far as the game is concerned it is still where you left it. In the case of call of the wild it is still the top card of your library until the ability finishes resolving.
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Seriously, everyone is saying not to worry about this card but look at just how powerful it is. If you are running a deck and you do not have an answer pronto you auto lose. It is crazy.
The use of this card, IMO, will not be enough to warrant, say, protesting and such at WotC.
The thing is, the Cage is meant to be a hoser to the graveyard aspect of Innistrad. However, in the Standard metagame, the only two decks this effectively deals with is Solar and Pod. Heartless Lich (if it becomes a thing) will always be a Heartless shell with the added effect of recursion for infini-win. I personally haven't seen any flashback-based decks being promoted.
Plus, Pod is in green, home to many many Artifact-hate spells. Worst case scenario, Pod is forced to run Naturalizes, which can also deal with the other remnants of Scars threats.
The only problem I can foresee is that Solar will have a tough time with this. But seriously, are you going to run 4 of a card to murder a single archetype (and slow down a second) in main? There are so many decks the Cage doesn't effect, and in those match-ups it's a dead draw.
A lot of people have been saying this crimps the creativity of the new Undying mechanic. I'd say good. If you're trying to build a deck SOLELY BASED on creatures with Undying, you deserve to be hosed. Mechanics like Undying are meant to make good creatures great, not to be the core of a deck. Also, as I've said, Flashback will not be a legitimate Standard deck type. As far as I know UG Self-Mill didn't catch on as it was foretold. Sure, this thing hoses a lot, but most of its hosing targets aren't even being used!
Honesly, people shouldn't be worried about it. Worst case scenario, Pod is forced to main Naturalizes, Solar needs Mental Misstep (though I see it mainly falling to the pressure of Cage if its common). And many, many players spend 25-40 bucks on a playset that, by the middle of Innistrad's Standard life, are completely worthless (as the opposing decks will have found ways to cope or will be run out of town).
So my advice would be to not worry. Standard-wise, at least.
I should have specified that these two formats (and modern) were what I was referring to. This card will most likely be in every single sideboard from now on.
So basically tutoring creatures into play, flashback, and reanimation. With the addition of Dark Ascension we'll have more flashback cards and Undying as well that get hated by the Cage.
One more you forgot is Sorin, Lord of Innistrad's ultimate (which I found covered in another thread). Of course, boarding the Cage in to stop his -6 is a bit silly, as it's already 4/5 of a Day of Judgment, and it won't stop him from whacking Garruk Relentless until he bleeds.
does this card effect chord of calling and collected company? and anything else new?
Its fine against dredge, one part of the grishoal combo, also ad nauseum? I would asume it fine against gifts trying to reanimate iona or elesh with unburial rites.
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Grave Betrayal's triggered ability indeed returns creature cards from the graveyard to the battlefield, so it will not work with the Cage on the battlefield.
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* What happens here is that you can still activate it, thereby sacrificing a creature. You can still search your library, but the critter won't make it onto the battlefield. In essence, while this is out Birthing Pod reads: "1(G/P), T, Sacrifice a creature: Look at, then shuffle your library. Activate as a sorcery."
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On the other side of exceptions, you COULD, say, Unburial Rites a Phyrexian Metamorph and have it copy a non-creature artifact, since it would not enter the battlefield as a creature in that case. That seems like a relevant enough corner case to bring up.EDIT: Upon re-reading the card, the Metamorph trick doesn't work. It specifies Creature *cards*, not just creatures.
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So basically tutoring creatures into play, flashback, and reanimation. With the addition of Dark Ascension we'll have more flashback cards and Undying as well that get hated by the Cage.
Correct the graveyard gets emptied into exile then the creatures that where there get moved to the now creatureless graveyard and the exiled creatures will still ETB.
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The Djinn's ability seems to shut down because it specifically uses the words "play that card", but not certain.
CotW is more murky because you are revealing the card from the top of the library, then if its a creature it simply enters the battlefield. Is that considered 'playing' from the library?
The cage will shut down both as it has 2 seperate abilities. The second ability that prevents casting will shut of Djinn of wishes. The first ability on the cage reads.
Will shut down any other form of library to battlefield creature tutoring be it from a Call of the wild any other spell/ability.
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Thanks dude
(Not intending to be a pain, genuine question)
What throwing me off is the specific wording on Call of the Wild. Specifically, once the card is revealed from the top of the library, is it still part of the library, or is it in some phantom zone that isn't susceptible to the Cage?
A good fail-safe in questions like this is to see if, on the rules text, the effect actually causes the card in question to be moved from the hand/library at all (usually to exile). If the card doesn't say "Put ~ into your graveyard/exile it/etc." then it's almost certain the card doesn't move. Player(s) just gain knowledge of what it is.
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With out any other directions that a card leaves a specific zone if you are told to reveal something as far as the game is concerned it is still where you left it. In the case of call of the wild it is still the top card of your library until the ability finishes resolving.
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The use of this card, IMO, will not be enough to warrant, say, protesting and such at WotC.
The thing is, the Cage is meant to be a hoser to the graveyard aspect of Innistrad. However, in the Standard metagame, the only two decks this effectively deals with is Solar and Pod. Heartless Lich (if it becomes a thing) will always be a Heartless shell with the added effect of recursion for infini-win. I personally haven't seen any flashback-based decks being promoted.
Plus, Pod is in green, home to many many Artifact-hate spells. Worst case scenario, Pod is forced to run Naturalizes, which can also deal with the other remnants of Scars threats.
The only problem I can foresee is that Solar will have a tough time with this. But seriously, are you going to run 4 of a card to murder a single archetype (and slow down a second) in main? There are so many decks the Cage doesn't effect, and in those match-ups it's a dead draw.
A lot of people have been saying this crimps the creativity of the new Undying mechanic. I'd say good. If you're trying to build a deck SOLELY BASED on creatures with Undying, you deserve to be hosed. Mechanics like Undying are meant to make good creatures great, not to be the core of a deck. Also, as I've said, Flashback will not be a legitimate Standard deck type. As far as I know UG Self-Mill didn't catch on as it was foretold. Sure, this thing hoses a lot, but most of its hosing targets aren't even being used!
Honesly, people shouldn't be worried about it. Worst case scenario, Pod is forced to main Naturalizes, Solar needs Mental Misstep (though I see it mainly falling to the pressure of Cage if its common). And many, many players spend 25-40 bucks on a playset that, by the middle of Innistrad's Standard life, are completely worthless (as the opposing decks will have found ways to cope or will be run out of town).
So my advice would be to not worry. Standard-wise, at least.
Legacy/Vintage, be afraid. Be very afraid.
I should have specified that these two formats (and modern) were what I was referring to. This card will most likely be in every single sideboard from now on.
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One more you forgot is Sorin, Lord of Innistrad's ultimate (which I found covered in another thread). Of course, boarding the Cage in to stop his -6 is a bit silly, as it's already 4/5 of a Day of Judgment, and it won't stop him from whacking Garruk Relentless until he bleeds.
Its fine against dredge, one part of the grishoal combo, also ad nauseum? I would asume it fine against gifts trying to reanimate iona or elesh with unburial rites.
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Grave Betrayal's triggered ability indeed returns creature cards from the graveyard to the battlefield, so it will not work with the Cage on the battlefield.
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