Okay, so apparently I'm getting a little bit more confused by the minute here... Now I've ended up w/ lots of questions swirling around my brain, such that I'm now over-capacity...
2.) Follow-up question: Does the enchantress trigger on Hopeful Eidolon if the bestow cost wasn't paid?
3.) What happens to Enchantment Creatures with bestow when they are not in an aura state, if I cast spells like Patriarch's Scorn... Are they destroyed too despite being played as creatures?
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Something possibly relevant about bestow: If you cast something for its bestow cost, it isn't a creature while enchanting another creature. This is usually instinctually obvious - an aura attacking or blocking would be quite strange - but sometimes the ramifications aren't obvious: I recently had a game where my opponent insisted a card cast for its bestow cost triggered evolve, for example, and another time an opponent thought my Supreme Verdict destroyed his aura!Nighthowler.
303.4c An Aura can’t enchant itself, and an Aura that’s also a creature can’t enchant anything. If this occurs somehow, the Aura is put into its owner’s graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
Can I use essense scater on a bestow ? Or it really becomes a aura spell despite the fact of it being a creature card ?
No, the spell is no longer a creature spell while it is being cast for its bestow cost. Once that decision is made, it is only an Enchantment - Aura spell until it resolves.
The long and the short of enchantment vs. creature:
1. Both gods and bestow creatures are always enchantments, regardless of what zone they are in.
2. Gods are always creatures in any zone except the battlefield. On the battlefield, they are only creatures if you have enough devotion. This includes effects that check whether or not they are creatures when they enter the battlefield (e.g. Helios won't trigger Soul Warden unless you have enough devotion).
3. Bestow creatures are always creatures in any zone except the stack or battlefield. In those zones, they are creatures if you didn't pay the bestow cost. If you paid the bestow cost, they are not creatures on the stack. If you paid the bestow cost, they are also not creatures on the battlefield until they are no longer enchanting a creature, at which point they become creatures.
4. An enchantment creature (while it is both types) can be affected by anything that affects an enchantment or a creature in the same way that an artifact creature is affected by anything that affects an artifact or a creature.
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1.) Does Mesa Enchantress trigger when I cast Heliod, God of the Sun?
2.) Follow-up question: Does the enchantress trigger on Hopeful Eidolon if the bestow cost wasn't paid?
3.) What happens to Enchantment Creatures with bestow when they are not in an aura state, if I cast spells like Patriarch's Scorn... Are they destroyed too despite being played as creatures?
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2) Yes. Hopefule Eidelon is always an enchantment spell. It is only a creature spell if not cast with bestow. It is only an aura if cast with bestow.
3) Yes. They are both enchantments and creatures on the battlefield if they are not attached to another creature.
2. Yes. Non-bestowed Eidolon is also an Enchantment Creature spell. See above.
3. They are both Creatures and Enchantments, not just Creatures. They work as both types, just like Artifact Creatures do. They die to Patrician's Scorn or Ray of Dissolution just the same way artifact creatures die to Creeping Corrosion or Ancient Grudge.
Something possibly relevant about bestow: If you cast something for its bestow cost, it isn't a creature while enchanting another creature. This is usually instinctually obvious - an aura attacking or blocking would be quite strange - but sometimes the ramifications aren't obvious: I recently had a game where my opponent insisted a card cast for its bestow cost triggered evolve, for example, and another time an opponent thought my Supreme Verdict destroyed his aura!Nighthowler.
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No, the spell is no longer a creature spell while it is being cast for its bestow cost. Once that decision is made, it is only an Enchantment - Aura spell until it resolves.
1. Both gods and bestow creatures are always enchantments, regardless of what zone they are in.
2. Gods are always creatures in any zone except the battlefield. On the battlefield, they are only creatures if you have enough devotion. This includes effects that check whether or not they are creatures when they enter the battlefield (e.g. Helios won't trigger Soul Warden unless you have enough devotion).
3. Bestow creatures are always creatures in any zone except the stack or battlefield. In those zones, they are creatures if you didn't pay the bestow cost. If you paid the bestow cost, they are not creatures on the stack. If you paid the bestow cost, they are also not creatures on the battlefield until they are no longer enchanting a creature, at which point they become creatures.
4. An enchantment creature (while it is both types) can be affected by anything that affects an enchantment or a creature in the same way that an artifact creature is affected by anything that affects an artifact or a creature.