It is basically a counter on a stick, imagine it says "whenever they play a spell, you may sacrafice this creature. If you do, counter that spell, and cast a copy of it for yourself." So like, play this after Stormbreath dragon and just get the beats in. If your opponent trys to kill the dragon, exchange, fly over the chimera, and continue to smash face.
This is not the right way to evaluate this card. You're ignoring all the repercussions of what happens after spells resolve. It's not like other spells. He sucks against a global card like a wrath effect and once you do use him, you then get the predicament put on you of possibly giving away your next spell. This is almost reminding me of Possibility Storm in that if you build your deck correctly, it wouldn't effect you at all while giving your opponent a headache.
It doesn't make a difference with bounce spells since everything on the board is being bounced... (except cyclonic rift)
Actually, if the bounce spell targets a single permanent, then it could get messy. If it is a global effect to one target player, that could be BRUTAL. If it affects the ENTIRE board, then it is redundant because everything pays the price.
Ex. If someone plays Merciless Eviction and I get control, I can change what I exile with this Chimera.
Ex. If someone plays Supreme Verdict, there's no point to commandeer the spell since everything dies anyways.
Actually, if the bounce spell targets a single permanent, then it could get messy. If it is a global effect to one target player, that could be BRUTAL. If it affects the ENTIRE board, then it is redundant because everything pays the price.
Ex. If someone plays Merciless Eviction and I get control, I can change what I exile with this Chimera.
Ex. If someone plays Supreme Verdict, there's no point to commandeer the spell since everything dies anyways.
I hope this helps.
Err, I meant mass bounce spells like Evacuate or Whelming Wave.
This card will be awesome in Commander. I can't wait to pull all sorts of hilarious shenanigans with it. Example:
1. I've got this on the battlefield and cast Lightning Bolt targeting my opponent's Prophet of Kruphix.
2. They respond by flashing out Vigor so their Prophet will get beefed up instead of dying.
3. I respond by activating the Chimera's ability to get Vigor, and respond to that by casting Swerve to change Lightning Bolt's target to the Chimera.
First the target of the kill spell is changed, then I gain control of the Vigor spell and give my opponent control of the Chimera, then Vigor resolves, and finally Lightning Bolt kills the Chimera so my opponent can't do anything similar to me.
Something to note is the Chimera would be pretty good at protecting your other creatures against spot removal. He acts a bit like a bad spellskite if you want him for that purpose. You hijack their doom blade then redirect it to him so that there's no further shenanigans. The upsides are it's free, no activation cost like spellskite (even though spellskite can be free at the cost of life) and if there's not anything going on, he still attacks for 3. I think this card could be pretty decent against Mono B.
Just in regards to spells with X in the cost, after reading the post in the rumour mill that spoiled it (which was the Judges info on tricky cards etc); it clearly states that you control the spell, therefore X is whatever the caster paid for it.
If it was a copy then X would be 0.
IMO the fact that if you make the exchange before targets are chosen makes sense, and makes the card playable in limited, but I can already hear people screaming 'JUDGE!' at the pre-release....
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Which introduces all kinds of rules questions. If I use Domestication to take the chimera back, do I retain control of the chimera if I have to sacrifice the enchantment? What happens if the chimera is enchanted and then try to trade it for a spell? Do I get the spell and the chimera?
Which introduces all kinds of rules questions. If I use Domestication to take the chimera back, do I retain control of the chimera if I have to sacrifice the enchantment? What happens if the chimera is enchanted and then try to trade it for a spell? Do I get the spell and the chimera?
That is an interesting idea, I'm not sure what happens if you use domestication on their chimera. However, casting domestication on him is a BAD idea. When you cast domestication, they would activate chimera, giving you control of the chimera, but them control of domestication, letting them keep it.
I believe the layers would go in timestamp order
ie;
You control Chimera
you attach Domestication
then you give control to someone else
so the most recent control change would be you swapping and that would take precedent, although I am completely unsure what happens if domestication is destroyed...
perplexing chimera doesn't have shroud, so you can enchant your own, hardcast from your hand, Perplexing chimera and then wait for the opponent to cast ANY spell. You use the chimera to exchange control, but domestication is still under your control. Then its a matter of how they ruled this..
perplexing chimera doesn't have shroud, so you can enchant your own, hardcast from your hand, Perplexing chimera and then wait for the opponent to cast ANY spell. You use the chimera to exchange control, but domestication is still under your control. Then its a matter of how they ruled this..
If it works how I think it does... at that point its game over right? They can't cast a thing for the rest of the game.
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Hypothetically speaking; you cast Master of Waves, you opponent casts Gainsay, you redirect it to itself because you control it now, (here is the hypothetical part) if your opponent responds to the trigger (of the Chimera) with another Gainsay you would still get control of it since control has not been exchanged?
I can't think of a single time that this can be abused, but if your opponent responds to the Chimera trigger you get both spells? I can't think of a time that someone would respond to the trigger... Your opponent can literally just say pass priority back, then respond to the next unresolved spell. Ya?
Maybe I'm just blowing chunks on this?
Also my first thought for this card was added control with Knowledge Pool, but it kicks you back once you lose it... Makes a funny deck though!
Because you can't do both?
This is not the right way to evaluate this card. You're ignoring all the repercussions of what happens after spells resolve. It's not like other spells. He sucks against a global card like a wrath effect and once you do use him, you then get the predicament put on you of possibly giving away your next spell. This is almost reminding me of Possibility Storm in that if you build your deck correctly, it wouldn't effect you at all while giving your opponent a headache.
It doesn't make a difference with bounce spells since everything on the board is being bounced... (except cyclonic rift)
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Contrary to wizards design theory for the last decade, this game does in fact have magical spells that do not leave creatures on the board.
Actually, if the bounce spell targets a single permanent, then it could get messy. If it is a global effect to one target player, that could be BRUTAL. If it affects the ENTIRE board, then it is redundant because everything pays the price.
Ex. If someone plays Merciless Eviction and I get control, I can change what I exile with this Chimera.
Ex. If someone plays Supreme Verdict, there's no point to commandeer the spell since everything dies anyways.
I hope this helps.
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Err, I meant mass bounce spells like Evacuate or Whelming Wave.
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Ok. For mass bounce, then it falls into the redundant section.
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1. I've got this on the battlefield and cast Lightning Bolt targeting my opponent's Prophet of Kruphix.
2. They respond by flashing out Vigor so their Prophet will get beefed up instead of dying.
3. I respond by activating the Chimera's ability to get Vigor, and respond to that by casting Swerve to change Lightning Bolt's target to the Chimera.
First the target of the kill spell is changed, then I gain control of the Vigor spell and give my opponent control of the Chimera, then Vigor resolves, and finally Lightning Bolt kills the Chimera so my opponent can't do anything similar to me.
If it was a copy then X would be 0.
IMO the fact that if you make the exchange before targets are chosen makes sense, and makes the card playable in limited, but I can already hear people screaming 'JUDGE!' at the pre-release....
1) Trade Chimera for a spell.
2) Use your Conjured Currency to get your chimera back.
3) Cast Cyclonic Rift to return Conjured Currency to your hand.
read conjured currency again ;D
it restricts to getting permanents you neithr own or control (never noticed that before now too)
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Damn! I always forget that part of it. Fine. We'll use Domestication, instead.
That is an interesting idea, I'm not sure what happens if you use domestication on their chimera. However, casting domestication on him is a BAD idea. When you cast domestication, they would activate chimera, giving you control of the chimera, but them control of domestication, letting them keep it.
There is some way to break this and I'm gonna find it.
ie;
You control Chimera
you attach Domestication
then you give control to someone else
so the most recent control change would be you swapping and that would take precedent, although I am completely unsure what happens if domestication is destroyed...
It reads when your OPPONENT casts a spell. Now whenever it is targeted by a spell.
You can't target your own chimera with your own spell.
that being said, I want to break this too buddy.
If it works how I think it does... at that point its game over right? They can't cast a thing for the rest of the game.
Unfortunately, those rules Nazis over on the rulings board inform me this doesn't work how want it to. Lame!
I can't think of a single time that this can be abused, but if your opponent responds to the Chimera trigger you get both spells? I can't think of a time that someone would respond to the trigger... Your opponent can literally just say pass priority back, then respond to the next unresolved spell. Ya?
Maybe I'm just blowing chunks on this?
Also my first thought for this card was added control with Knowledge Pool, but it kicks you back once you lose it... Makes a funny deck though!
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