What happens if someone with Keranos out forgets to reveal the card they drew? The ability isn't optional and there's no way to fix it, as there's no way to determine which card was drawn once its in the hand.
What happens if someone with Keranos out forgets to reveal the card they drew? The ability isn't optional and there's no way to fix it, as there's no way to determine which card was drawn once its in the hand.
It's a missed trigger. Considering that either way it's probably bad for you for them to get the effect anyway, even at the cost of a teeny bit of knowledge, it's going to just not occur.
The problem with it going to the hand is that at that point it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to discern which card was the "missed" trigger.
Of course, this means they don't get to draw extra cards if they draw a land, realize after putting it to their hand, and then try to reveal it. At that point the trigger is considered missed.
This would be the case at REL, such as FNMs and the like. As far as competitive play is concerned, it depends methinks. I don't know the exact competitive rulings on things like this, although I imagine it would end up similar to whatever happens with a missed Bob trigger.
"Reveal the first card you draw on each of your turns" isn't a triggered ability, because it doesn't start with "when/whenever/at". This means it isn't a missed trigger if the player forgets. In a casual game the player should say "oops" and work with his opponent to decide how to handle it. In a sanctioned game the player would most likely receive a warning for a game rule violation and the judge would decide whether to back the game up to before the error or leave things as they are.
True, it's not a triggered ability, so Missed Trigger doesn't apply here.
If the top card of the library was previously known (in T2, could be due to a Courser of Kruphix, which could've died in NAP's (Non Active Player) last turn)
or if there's only one card in AP's hand after the draw,
then the issue can be settled easily,
Warning for Game Rules Violation (GRV) to the Active Player (AP),
Reveal the already known card (or the only card) from AP's hand, and proceed with the suitable trigger
(if the AP forget about it, then it would now be a Missed Trigger, don't remind him about it, that would be coaching).
This is of course, if the problem was noticed immediately, if some time has passed since the draw, the fixed can't be done without backing up the game state. And that would require HJ's permission.
If the card was previously unknown and now it has been put together with the other cards in AP's "hand",
there can be two possible outcome:
There's a mix of Land and Non-Land cards in AP's hand.
If so, there's no way to back up without disrupting the game's consistency.
Leave the game state as it is, and Warning for GRV to AP.
If NAP called the judge, no infraction for him/her.
If NAP also missed it, and perhaps a spectator called the judge, then NAP gets a Warning for Failure to Maintain Game State (FtMGS).
All the cards in AP's Hand are Lands or all are Non-Lands
then a Judge can check and confirm this for NAP, but that would leak some hidden information, and can only be done if the AP agrees to share that information.
Again, this remedy can only be applied if the error was noticed early.
It's a missed trigger. Considering that either way it's probably bad for you for them to get the effect anyway, even at the cost of a teeny bit of knowledge, it's going to just not occur.
The problem with it going to the hand is that at that point it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to discern which card was the "missed" trigger.
Of course, this means they don't get to draw extra cards if they draw a land, realize after putting it to their hand, and then try to reveal it. At that point the trigger is considered missed.
This would be the case at REL, such as FNMs and the like. As far as competitive play is concerned, it depends methinks. I don't know the exact competitive rulings on things like this, although I imagine it would end up similar to whatever happens with a missed Bob trigger.
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If the top card of the library was previously known (in T2, could be due to a Courser of Kruphix, which could've died in NAP's (Non Active Player) last turn)
or if there's only one card in AP's hand after the draw,
then the issue can be settled easily,
Warning for Game Rules Violation (GRV) to the Active Player (AP),
Reveal the already known card (or the only card) from AP's hand, and proceed with the suitable trigger
(if the AP forget about it, then it would now be a Missed Trigger, don't remind him about it, that would be coaching).
This is of course, if the problem was noticed immediately, if some time has passed since the draw, the fixed can't be done without backing up the game state. And that would require HJ's permission.
If the card was previously unknown and now it has been put together with the other cards in AP's "hand",
there can be two possible outcome:
Leave the game state as it is, and Warning for GRV to AP.
If NAP called the judge, no infraction for him/her.
If NAP also missed it, and perhaps a spectator called the judge, then NAP gets a Warning for Failure to Maintain Game State (FtMGS).
Again, this remedy can only be applied if the error was noticed early.