No one thinks the fateseal cards have a chance of showing up?
Fateseal won't ever ever be reprinted. You can mark my words if you want.
Fateseal makes for a terrible keyword, since it makes limited enviroment unplayable in greater numbers. FS was the perfect opportunity to print it, since they were able to print less then a dozen and not lock opponent's hands. It was just an experiment.
Btw, Delve is also another mechanic that won't ever be reprinted for it's parasitic function. Doesn't work in great numbers.
But I guess any other FS mechanic is game.
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It was created by Karn, not any man.
And even though it is artificial, it is natural enough to develop planeswalker sparks, so why shouldn't Darksteel be a strand of metal exclusive to it?
It also had quicksilver water, and that doesn't mean that there are other planes with quicksilver water.
Man made is a bad choice of words, i know it was made by karn. what I am saying is that if it was built it, you would need to get the matrial form somewhere. I suppose you could call it a forgeing process to create it or something along those lines.
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Sarcomite Myr was a preview of Esper and thus isn't likely to show up. If colored artifacts are part of SOM it could but it is far from a guarantee.
This isn't true. They thought about putting it in the set, but it was not a preview for Esper, it was a preview for colored artifacts with colored mana casting costs, (which reappeared before Shards). It also acted as the template for the frame for all future colored artifacts.
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Unless Sarcomite Myr type creatures appear later in the set I don't see it as a reprint as the art/concept doesn't match up with what we've seen so far. I don't understand why people seem to think that the card was exclusively for Esper and could only have been reprinted there. Neither do I understand people who think colored artifacts are also exclusive, when they've appeared outside Alara.
I'd like to see Grandeur come back eventually. I had alot of fun with it back in the day. So Korlash, Heir to the Blackblade would be great. He doesn't seem very phyrexian though.
1. Gofy will never be in a set again 100%, they said it was a mistake, and he will not be reprinted. No one need talk of it again, otherwise....well....they are dumb.
Just because they said goyf was a mistake back when they printed it doesnt mean the format now couldnt handle it. Call me dumb all you want, I can see it happening.
We frankly are WAY past the threshold for cards being designed with specific sets in mind. Dryad Arbor was designed to preview the idea of a land block and to show that there was a lot of land design space, it was cut from Zendikar. Nacatl War-Pride was a preview of Naya and Alara but was cut from the set because GGG in a card at uncommon was too heavy for a gold set. If designs were that far off for sets that close to FutureSite then I don't think we will get too many more.
I'm not saying that these cards can't ever show up in future sets but if they do it will only be because they fill a need that the set has, not because they were meant as a preview of that place.
I'll point out that the farther you go from Future sight the less likely cards are to get reprinted. Alara already missed it's reprint, and it seems likely that the colored artifact gimmick that was meant for scars was used in Alara (meaning the myr might not get reprinted). Though it's unknown if Scars will have colored artifacts.
After Mirrodin i think if we see any future shifted cards get reprinted it will be because by chance they fit into the set's theme.
Alot of them just aren't going to get reprinted. Which is exactly what they said would happen.
Exactly. We're past the point of diminishing returns on Future Sight's 'pre-prints'. In fact, after Alara, we were more or less done with intentional pre-prints. Now, if we happen to see an FS card reprinted, it's coincidence and not intention. And the chances of a card from several years ago fitting both the flavor and mechanical setting of a contemporary block is slim at best.
And considering the pre-prints don't even show exact mechanical design space (thus far, they've really only hinted at concepts not explored yet), I'm not even sure we can point at it and say "Oh, Fortify will be in for sure even if Darksteel Garrison isn't."
I just don't think Future Sight is a major consideration anymore. Its predictive nature is going to be more and more coincidental as time goes on. In the meantime, threads like this aren't really accomplishing much of anything.
Exactly. We're past the point of diminishing returns on Future Sight's 'pre-prints'. In fact, after Alara, we were more or less done with intentional pre-prints. Now, if we happen to see an FS card reprinted, it's coincidence and not intention. And the chances of a card from several years ago fitting both the flavor and mechanical setting of a contemporary block is slim at best.
And considering the pre-prints don't even show exact mechanical design space (thus far, they've really only hinted at concepts not explored yet), I'm not even sure we can point at it and say "Oh, Fortify will be in for sure even if Darksteel Garrison isn't."
I just don't think Future Sight is a major consideration anymore. Its predictive nature is going to be more and more coincidental as time goes on. In the meantime, threads like this aren't really accomplishing much of anything.
As time has gone by, we have seen an increase in reprints. The upcoming block of Theros is showing use that not only are cards being reprinted in the first set, but the enchant creature type has been given a theme in the set.
Also, consider that we have seen reprints in Modern Masters, FTV Realms, and Duel Decks in the past few years. As time goes by, I suspect we can see the majority of these cards reprinted. As filler like Modern Masters, or as a sets theme like Theros.
As time has gone by, we have seen an increase in reprints. The upcoming block of Theros is showing use that not only are cards being reprinted in the first set, but the enchant creature type has been given a theme in the set.
Also, consider that we have seen reprints in Modern Masters, FTV Realms, and Duel Decks in the past few years. As time goes by, I suspect we can see the majority of these cards reprinted. As filler like Modern Masters, or as a sets theme like Theros.
We have actually gotten four things from FS in Theros: A reprint of a future shifted card (Nessian Courser), Enchantment Creatures, Enchantments with Tap Abilities, and Lands with Scry as a come into play ability.
Note that the last of those things was not on a future shifted card in FS, but the other three where.
The Future Shifted cards were not meant solely for cards to be reprinted, but also to show potential things the future might bring, as well as show things that WotC would like to explore. For example, Sarcomite Myr hinted at two things: Colored Artifacts (which appeared in Alara), and a return to Mirrodin.
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No one thinks the fateseal cards have a chance of showing up?
Fateseal mirrors scry, which first appeared in Mirrodin. I think it would be a pretty neat throwback if it was included.
while i like it, i think its unlikely due to the "feel bad" card that is jace, the mind sculptor. its a shame because its a very cool mechanic and would actually be quite flavorful in theros (prophets, oracles and all that)
while i like it, i think its unlikely due to the "feel bad" card that is jace, the mind sculptor. its a shame because its a very cool mechanic and would actually be quite flavorful in theros (prophets, oracles and all that)
It may be flavorful, but it is also innately unfun. And WotC does not like printing unfun mechanics.
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Second Wind could make an appearance with the new Inspired mechanic.
Ehh... unsure, Time Spiral was before they determined the difference between Enchantments (no tapping) and Artifacts (tapping). I would put a call for Daybreak Coronet, we've got a lot of Auras (real Auras and Bestow), supports Heroic, and plays well in the set.
I remember someone at WotC saying recently none of the future sight cards left will be reprinted in any Standard legal set. Also the specialty sets should not count as being part of a future set. Its more of a hey that card happens to fit in this specialty set.
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I remember someone at WotC saying recently none of the future sight cards left will be reprinted in any Standard legal set. Also the specialty sets should not count as being part of a future set. Its more of a hey that card happens to fit in this specialty set.
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I remember someone at WotC saying recently none of the future sight cards left will be reprinted in any Standard legal set. Also the specialty sets should not count as being part of a future set. Its more of a hey that card happens to fit in this specialty set.
That doesn't seem likely. I doubt that we would see them as being any different from any other reprints, it's just that some of them are harder to get into a normal set than others.
Vedalken Aethermage, for example, can only go into a set with a tribal component in which both Wizards and Slivers are supported tribes, creature type cycling is one of the mechanics, and Vedalken are part of the creative. The odds of that set happening are practically none.
Cards like Aven Mindcensor, Bonded Fetch, or Fomori Nomad, on the other hand, could go into any set that needed them as long as they work within the creative. I doubt they would prevent themselves from reprinting cards like that if needed, but they might not be actively looking for homes for them either.
I remember someone at WotC saying recently none of the future sight cards left will be reprinted in any Standard legal set. Also the specialty sets should not count as being part of a future set. Its more of a hey that card happens to fit in this specialty set.
I don't know... I do think we are likely to see some of those dual lands turned into complete cycles. I tend to see people wanting the "Nimbus Maze" cycle at some point, so why wouldn't Wizards use it?
I can see them not actively looking to use remaining FS cards, but if something works with what you're doing, why reinvent the wheel?
The other landcycles are probably up to bat eventually, as landcycles are a constant need and design space is limited. The non-land mechanics will probably also be used but only when there's a place they will certainly find a home. Specific cards are a bit dodgier due to competitive balance and such, but there are a fair few that'll show up eventually.
The problem children are the cards crossing the streams with mechanical keywords that have nothing to go along with each other, and the Grandeur Legends because they are (flavorfully) from different planes and places, but mechancially connected. Meaning they'd be limited to a Core set.
As much as people joke about it, I feel like Steamflogger Boss is card on that list most likely to be reprinted. But not in Battle for Zendikar.
Most of the other ones either violate modern design sensibilities (Slivers now buff only your team; morphing into a 3/3 or larger always costs 5 mana or more; we don't get shroud or storm), or are just boring (bonded fetch, the full art creatures).
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Fateseal won't ever ever be reprinted. You can mark my words if you want.
Fateseal makes for a terrible keyword, since it makes limited enviroment unplayable in greater numbers. FS was the perfect opportunity to print it, since they were able to print less then a dozen and not lock opponent's hands. It was just an experiment.
Btw, Delve is also another mechanic that won't ever be reprinted for it's parasitic function. Doesn't work in great numbers.
But I guess any other FS mechanic is game.
Man made is a bad choice of words, i know it was made by karn. what I am saying is that if it was built it, you would need to get the matrial form somewhere. I suppose you could call it a forgeing process to create it or something along those lines.
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This isn't true. They thought about putting it in the set, but it was not a preview for Esper, it was a preview for colored artifacts with colored mana casting costs, (which reappeared before Shards). It also acted as the template for the frame for all future colored artifacts.
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Unless Sarcomite Myr type creatures appear later in the set I don't see it as a reprint as the art/concept doesn't match up with what we've seen so far. I don't understand why people seem to think that the card was exclusively for Esper and could only have been reprinted there. Neither do I understand people who think colored artifacts are also exclusive, when they've appeared outside Alara.
Definately Sarcomite Myr though.
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Just because they said goyf was a mistake back when they printed it doesnt mean the format now couldnt handle it. Call me dumb all you want, I can see it happening.
Exactly. We're past the point of diminishing returns on Future Sight's 'pre-prints'. In fact, after Alara, we were more or less done with intentional pre-prints. Now, if we happen to see an FS card reprinted, it's coincidence and not intention. And the chances of a card from several years ago fitting both the flavor and mechanical setting of a contemporary block is slim at best.
And considering the pre-prints don't even show exact mechanical design space (thus far, they've really only hinted at concepts not explored yet), I'm not even sure we can point at it and say "Oh, Fortify will be in for sure even if Darksteel Garrison isn't."
I just don't think Future Sight is a major consideration anymore. Its predictive nature is going to be more and more coincidental as time goes on. In the meantime, threads like this aren't really accomplishing much of anything.
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As time has gone by, we have seen an increase in reprints. The upcoming block of Theros is showing use that not only are cards being reprinted in the first set, but the enchant creature type has been given a theme in the set.
Also, consider that we have seen reprints in Modern Masters, FTV Realms, and Duel Decks in the past few years. As time goes by, I suspect we can see the majority of these cards reprinted. As filler like Modern Masters, or as a sets theme like Theros.
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We have actually gotten four things from FS in Theros: A reprint of a future shifted card (Nessian Courser), Enchantment Creatures, Enchantments with Tap Abilities, and Lands with Scry as a come into play ability.
Note that the last of those things was not on a future shifted card in FS, but the other three where.
The Future Shifted cards were not meant solely for cards to be reprinted, but also to show potential things the future might bring, as well as show things that WotC would like to explore. For example, Sarcomite Myr hinted at two things: Colored Artifacts (which appeared in Alara), and a return to Mirrodin.
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while i like it, i think its unlikely due to the "feel bad" card that is jace, the mind sculptor. its a shame because its a very cool mechanic and would actually be quite flavorful in theros (prophets, oracles and all that)
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It may be flavorful, but it is also innately unfun. And WotC does not like printing unfun mechanics.
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Ehh... unsure, Time Spiral was before they determined the difference between Enchantments (no tapping) and Artifacts (tapping). I would put a call for Daybreak Coronet, we've got a lot of Auras (real Auras and Bestow), supports Heroic, and plays well in the set.
Unlikely, as that card is snow.
I'll throw my support behind Daybreak Coronet though.
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It's hilariously broken unless it costs a fortune. Lets you put down enchantments that cost a lot really early.
See: Arcanum Wings + Eldrazi Conscription.
That doesn't seem likely. I doubt that we would see them as being any different from any other reprints, it's just that some of them are harder to get into a normal set than others.
Vedalken Aethermage, for example, can only go into a set with a tribal component in which both Wizards and Slivers are supported tribes, creature type cycling is one of the mechanics, and Vedalken are part of the creative. The odds of that set happening are practically none.
Cards like Aven Mindcensor, Bonded Fetch, or Fomori Nomad, on the other hand, could go into any set that needed them as long as they work within the creative. I doubt they would prevent themselves from reprinting cards like that if needed, but they might not be actively looking for homes for them either.
I don't know... I do think we are likely to see some of those dual lands turned into complete cycles. I tend to see people wanting the "Nimbus Maze" cycle at some point, so why wouldn't Wizards use it?
I can see them not actively looking to use remaining FS cards, but if something works with what you're doing, why reinvent the wheel?
The problem children are the cards crossing the streams with mechanical keywords that have nothing to go along with each other, and the Grandeur Legends because they are (flavorfully) from different planes and places, but mechancially connected. Meaning they'd be limited to a Core set.
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Most of the other ones either violate modern design sensibilities (Slivers now buff only your team; morphing into a 3/3 or larger always costs 5 mana or more; we don't get shroud or storm), or are just boring (bonded fetch, the full art creatures).