With the announcement of the abolishment of core sets, the ability of Wizards to introduce older cards to Modern has narrowed.
In recent memory, cards like Scavenging Ooze, Wall of Mulch, Illusory Angel and Hornet Queen (among many others) have been added to Modern through the Core Set. With this avenue no longer available, I see two options available.
First, Wizards may use the final core set (Magic 2016), to introduce everything they think they could ever need from pre-8th Edition sets to Modern.
This approach could work, but it suffers from one aspect that many modern players noticed pretty quickly; new cards for modern need to go through standard, and not mess things up along the way.
The second approach has been speculated on for a long time, and that is that wizards finds a way to introduce cards to modern that bypasses standard. I feel the best way to do this would be via Modern Masters.
When you think about it carefully, Modern Masters is a great place to introduce new (old) cards to modern. There would be no question about the legality of the card, as it is literally printed in a set that shares the format's name.
It would mean that plane or mechanically specific cards need not be shoehorned into the regular blocks, and that cards that are potentially too powerful for standard but are desperately needed in modern can get there without messing things up.
Now, would you support adding reprints of pre-8th edition cards to Modern Masters in order to make them legal? Why/ why not?
On a side note, please don't turn this into a wishlisting thread, but feel free to point out which cards could benefit using this system.
As for supporting pre 8th cards, you bet, but they would probably be reprinted in standard sets. I am still hoping Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant get one more printing as well as see the allied fetchlands.
Great point actually. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Though it would be quite outside of the box they have presented themselves, with today's announcement, the box just polymorphed from what we knew to another beast entirely.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
MTG Junky... First packs being a starter of each 4th Edition and Ice Age. Good Grief, I've been playing since 1995? Where does the time go!
Quote from Xcric »
this is mtgs, where occam's razor is so blunt it can't cut jello any more.
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
The abolishment of the core sets will cause an increase in the number of reprints in block sets. Modern legal cards will also continue to be reprinted in Auxiliary products such as Commander and the summer multiplayer products.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
I think if they decide to bring more reprints into modern masters, they should definitely allow these packs to be purchased in stores like Walmart and Target. Modern Masters 1 was already a pain to purchase and get ahold of, but if Modern Masters 2 becomes the primary source of reprints for the format, I really think they need to increase the print run and/or sell them in general retail stores.
i've proposed a third alternative a few times, and that's to add the commander and planechase products to the modern card pool.
this allows for introducing older, non-reserved list cards to the modern card pool without affecting standard.
i understand that it means there will need to be some immediate bannings, like sol-ring and TNN, but that's fine.
having those cards be made legal allows for them to trickle new cards into modern every year and then appropriately take care of cards that are too powerful with bans.
it allows them to keep modern evolving every year without having to cycle the cards through standard first, and allows them to keep the power level relatively low in standard so that there's a good separation between the modern and standard power levels.
that way they don't have to alter the purpose of modern masters and keep it as a "reprinting of format pillars" set.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Standard:
Nothing Modern:
Cruel Control, UR Delver, RUG midrange, Akroma's Elfmorial EDH:
Animar, Chainer, Derevi the Stonehewer Mystic, Nekusar
Well if they simply added cards to modern masters that would not normally be in modern then it would keep the set the same. It would still be a reprinting of modern pillars because any new cards they would add to the pool would be things they would want to see in modern as new modern pillars.
Two cards I would love to see in modern that I couldn't see them printing for standard would be Mother of Runs and Rhishadan Port
Considering that the latter was banned in standard for a while, not likely. Rishadan Port is just to good. Mother of Runes is borderline to good as well.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
They could just put the cards in the block with other cards that are meant to counter those cards, not completly, but be like = they print something like Mother of Runes , than they pprint Sudden Shock and its brothers(splint seccond cards) , i know that sometimes this could look like a rockXscisorsXpaper game but would not, because in this exemple SS would be a card to deal with her imediately but if you don't and oponent knowing you are playing SS he would use mother as a combat trick or a way of evasion(wich would be +- fine).
Fetch lands? print some major searching effects in the block and put Aven Mindcensor in the next or the one after block , and in the block with lots of search effects put a punishment style card (like : Don't make me wait 1R enchantment : whenever a player search his library, you may put a rage counter on Don't make me wait. If you did, Don't make me wait deals x damage to that player,where x is the number of rage counters on it) ( or like Cosi's Trickster )
One of the good things of this new structure is that if a thing proves it self to be troublefull it has 12-15 mounths in Standard soo they can print hate cards or just let it rotate in peace(rip away)...
I can totaly see they reprinting Liliana of the Veil in a 2 set block ( in fact she would be printed in M15 (in inicial development)).
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
Undermine I can see having a lower chance of being reprinted.
Absorb would have a higher chance since it's a 3 life gain compared to the more superior Render Silent which standard has now. I can see Absorb downgraded to an Uncommon if reprinted.
I see a different and even more dramatic possibility. Given what Wizards do to the game over the years I see a trend that suggests that future Modern Masters products may introduce entirely new cards, created with the purpose of shaking the Modern format.
Why I think so?
It is inevitable that the new Standard sets will have less and less impact on Modern as it grows.
The change to Standard rotations twice as often allows Wizards to print even weaker sets and get even better sales. Less need to push cards' power level means even less impact on Modern.
Magic won't maintain it's growth rate (it's already negative this year). And that was the cause of the an availability imbalance between old and recent sets and the main reason for the first Modern Masters set. So the demand for sets based entirely on reprints will be much lower.
I believe there's room for only 1 Modern Masters-alike set made for Modern format and consisting entirely of reprints. And it needs to contain cards from 8ED to Avacyn Restored. 5 Zendikar fetchlands and Liliana of the Veil being some of the main selling points. Then even 2 years later there probably wouldn't be enough cards to fill another one and make it desirable enough.
Wizards have repeatedly said that they don't want Modern to be Legacy-lite but a completely different format. They may not want to bring back too many old cards even if they're not overpowered.
There aren't really that many Legacy cards that are not too powerful but would be good money makers to sell the set. (I'm not talking about 'filler' cards here). Without resorting to evil gimmicks like bringing back something borderline-overpowered and making it a Mythic Rare there would be barely enough content to sell 2 such sets well.
Legacy format is slowly shrinking. (in some places of the world faster, in some not yet). Currently Wizards make cards designed for Legacy in special products (like Commander, Conspiracy) but doing so will make them less and less money in the next years. That's an incentive to make Modern their main supported eternal format.
It wouldn't be hard to push through the slight change in policy to allow Modern Masters -alike sets to have new cards legal in Modern. They did more dramatic changes before. (Like suddenly making all Portal(1/2/3/Starter) cards legal in Legacy or starting to print entirely new cards outside of standard booster sets).
Conclusion:
If Wizards want to make money from the Modern format they will have to start making new cards for this format and release them in a product outside the 4 yearly Standard sets.
I expect this change to go live no earlier than 2016.
Unlike the first Modern Masters sets with new cards for Modern will of course have unlimited print run.
Oh, and I'd really really welcome a yearly set like this. Unlimited printrun Modern set with new cards. Modern format could also use some new cards as it's getting more and more stale and banning cards just to shake up the format is pure evil.
I see a different and even more dramatic possibility. Given what Wizards do to the game over the years I see a trend that suggests that future Modern Masters products may introduce entirely new cards, created with the purpose of shaking the Modern format.
Why I think so?
It is inevitable that the new Standard sets will have less and less impact on Modern as it grows.
The change to Standard rotations twice as often allows Wizards to print even weaker sets and get even better sales. Less need to push cards' power level means even less impact on Modern.
Magic won't maintain it's growth rate (it's already negative this year). And that was the cause of the an availability imbalance between old and recent sets and the main reason for the first Modern Masters set. So the demand for sets based entirely on reprints will be much lower.
I believe there's room for only 1 Modern Masters-alike set made for Modern format and consisting entirely of reprints. And it needs to contain cards from 8ED to Avacyn Restored. 5 Zendikar fetchlands and Liliana of the Veil being some of the main selling points. Then even 2 years later there probably wouldn't be enough cards to fill another one and make it desirable enough.
Wizards have repeatedly said that they don't want Modern to be Legacy-lite but a completely different format. They may not want to bring back too many old cards even if they're not overpowered.
There aren't really that many Legacy cards that are not too powerful but would be good money makers to sell the set. (I'm not talking about 'filler' cards here). Without resorting to evil gimmicks like bringing back something borderline-overpowered and making it a Mythic Rare there would be barely enough content to sell 2 such sets well.
Legacy format is slowly shrinking. (in some places of the world faster, in some not yet). Currently Wizards make cards designed for Legacy in special products (like Commander, Conspiracy) but doing so will make them less and less money in the next years. That's an incentive to make Modern their main supported eternal format.
It wouldn't be hard to push through the slight change in policy to allow Modern Masters -alike sets to have new cards legal in Modern. They did more dramatic changes before. (Like suddenly making all Portal(1/2/3/Starter) cards legal in Legacy or starting to print entirely new cards outside of standard booster sets).
Conclusion:
If Wizards want to make money from the Modern format they will have to start making new cards for this format and release them in a product outside the 4 yearly Standard sets.
I expect this change to go live no earlier than 2016.
Unlike the first Modern Masters sets with new cards for Modern will of course have unlimited print run.
Oh, and I'd really really welcome a yearly set like this. Unlimited printrun Modern set with new cards. Modern format could also use some new cards as it's getting more and more stale and banning cards just to shake up the format is pure evil.
Just want to have it marked so i can put in my sig...
But one thing about a set being less time in standard is: They can put powered cards once a while without have to overextent on hate cards , because those cards will stay for a year or 5/4 years ( like in Sphinx Revelation ... that had soo many haters and has stayed in T2 for 2 years, imagine it lefting after Born of the Gods and before journey into Nyx? ...)
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
Undermine I can see having a lower chance of being reprinted.
Absorb would have a higher chance since it's a 3 life gain compared to the more superior Render Silent which standard has now. I can see Absorb downgraded to an Uncommon if reprinted.
I know it seems as you put it,
but I personally believe Absorb is slightly more powerful
(at least as a Control spell- in a Tempo deck like Fae, Undermine would be incredible).
The reason I say this is that for Control, all Undermine is is a slightly more cost prohibitive Cancel
that also reduces the amount of work your finisher needs to do- but a separate finisher is still required.
And once Control has stabilized, an extra 3-6 damage to the opponent is nice, but not usually necessary.
Absorb, on the other hand, actually helps a Control deck stabilize
and reach the point where the finisher can do its job.
Don't get me wrong though- I adore them both, and would love to see them in Modern somehow.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
Undermine I can see having a lower chance of being reprinted.
Absorb would have a higher chance since it's a 3 life gain compared to the more superior Render Silent which standard has now. I can see Absorb downgraded to an Uncommon if reprinted.
I know it seems as you put it,
but I personally believe Absorb is slightly more powerful
(at least as a Control spell- in a Tempo deck like Fae, Undermine would be incredible).
The reason I say this is that for Control, all Undermine is is a slightly more cost prohibitive Cancel
that also reduces the amount of work your finisher needs to do- but a separate finisher is still required.
And once Control has stabilized, an extra 3-6 damage to the opponent is nice, but not usually necessary.
Absorb, on the other hand, actually helps a Control deck stabilize
and reach the point where the finisher can do its job.
Don't get me wrong though- I adore them both, and would love to see them in Modern somehow.
I would be fine with both. Neither seem gamechanging, at least not the way counterspell is.
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
How would Absorb or Undermine break Standard? They are only a little more powerful than Dissolve. And Recoil would only not get reprinted because Wizards thinks that it isn't fun.
i've proposed a third alternative a few times, and that's to add the commander and planechase products to the modern card pool.
this allows for introducing older, non-reserved list cards to the modern card pool without affecting standard.
i understand that it means there will need to be some immediate bannings, like sol-ring and TNN, but that's fine.
having those cards be made legal allows for them to trickle new cards into modern every year and then appropriately take care of cards that are too powerful with bans.
it allows them to keep modern evolving every year without having to cycle the cards through standard first, and allows them to keep the power level relatively low in standard so that there's a good separation between the modern and standard power levels.
that way they don't have to alter the purpose of modern masters and keep it as a "reprinting of format pillars" set.
If that happened, there would be no way to get cards into Legacy without getting them into Modern, which would hurt Legacy.
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
How would Absorb or Undermine break Standard? They are only a little more powerful than Dissolve. And Recoil would only not get reprinted because Wizards thinks that it isn't fun.
Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying either Absorb or Undermine would "break" Standard.
I'm just saying WotC seems to not care for them too much
(see Countersquall, Punish Ignorance, Fall of the Gavel, etc.),
so I wouldn't hold my breath on them being printed in a Standard set.
Then again, they could have given Undermine to the Sultai and Absorb to the Jeskai for all I know.
As for Recoil, I'm about as close to 100% certain they won't put that in Standard as I can be-
I love the card, but that's because it's like an instant-speed Vindicate in the decks that run it.
That said, I don't think it's "too good" for Modern-
Esper Control isn't exactly a Modern powerhouse, and it could definitely benefit from these three cards.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
They need to do *something* like this,
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
How would Absorb or Undermine break Standard? They are only a little more powerful than Dissolve. And Recoil would only not get reprinted because Wizards thinks that it isn't fun.
Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying either Absorb or Undermine would "break" Standard.
I'm just saying WotC seems to not care for them too much
(see Countersquall, Punish Ignorance, Fall of the Gavel, etc.),
so I wouldn't hold my breath on them being printed in a Standard set.
Then again, they could have given Undermine to the Sultai and Absorb to the Jeskai for all I know.
As for Recoil, I'm about as close to 100% certain they won't put that in Standard as I can be-
I love the card, but that's because it's like an instant-speed Vindicate in the decks that run it.
That said, I don't think it's "too good" for Modern-
Esper Control isn't exactly a Modern powerhouse, and it could definitely benefit from these three cards.
I fail to see how cards like Countersquall existing mean that Wizards won't reprint Absorb and Undermine.
As for supporting pre 8th cards, you bet, but they would probably be reprinted in standard sets. I am still hoping Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant get one more printing as well as see the allied fetchlands.
Liliana of the Veil just recently went out of standard and Ajani, Mentor of Heroes is currently in standard so both are unlikely to see reprints in the near future. Liliana maybe in Modern Masters 3.
Liliana of the Veil was supposed to be reprinted in M15 so she could be reprinted in M16.
If that happened, there would be no way to get cards into Legacy without getting them into Modern, which would hurt Legacy.
huh?
the only effect being legal in both formats has on a card is it's price. legacy is already a massive investment as it stands. if you're investing in legacy, you're interested in doing so regardless of the price. going forward, commander products have unlimited print runs, so availability isn't really a problem.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Standard:
Nothing Modern:
Cruel Control, UR Delver, RUG midrange, Akroma's Elfmorial EDH:
Animar, Chainer, Derevi the Stonehewer Mystic, Nekusar
If that happened, there would be no way to get cards into Legacy without getting them into Modern, which would hurt Legacy.
huh?
the only effect being legal in both formats has on a card is it's price. legacy is already a massive investment as it stands. if you're investing in legacy, you're interested in doing so regardless of the price. going forward, commander products have unlimited print runs, so availability isn't really a problem.
If Supplemental products were in Modern, they couldn't print new high-powered cards like Shardless Agent in them, which would mean that Legacy would get fewer playable cards, which would hurt it.
I'd love to see Esper Tokens become a thing with an Opposition reprint in MM2. Now that Intangible Virtue exists Opposition could become a serious deck to have to deal with.
I'd love to see Esper Tokens become a thing with an Opposition reprint in MM2. Now that Intangible Virtue exists Opposition could become a serious deck to have to deal with.
I just really wish that they could have reprinted Opposition (or its lesser cousin Glare of Subdual) in Standard to abuse with Inspired.
In recent memory, cards like Scavenging Ooze, Wall of Mulch, Illusory Angel and Hornet Queen (among many others) have been added to Modern through the Core Set. With this avenue no longer available, I see two options available.
First, Wizards may use the final core set (Magic 2016), to introduce everything they think they could ever need from pre-8th Edition sets to Modern.
This approach could work, but it suffers from one aspect that many modern players noticed pretty quickly; new cards for modern need to go through standard, and not mess things up along the way.
The second approach has been speculated on for a long time, and that is that wizards finds a way to introduce cards to modern that bypasses standard. I feel the best way to do this would be via Modern Masters.
When you think about it carefully, Modern Masters is a great place to introduce new (old) cards to modern. There would be no question about the legality of the card, as it is literally printed in a set that shares the format's name.
It would mean that plane or mechanically specific cards need not be shoehorned into the regular blocks, and that cards that are potentially too powerful for standard but are desperately needed in modern can get there without messing things up.
Now, would you support adding reprints of pre-8th edition cards to Modern Masters in order to make them legal? Why/ why not?
On a side note, please don't turn this into a wishlisting thread, but feel free to point out which cards could benefit using this system.
"A Plague on All Your Houses!" - Thespian's Stage Pox
As for supporting pre 8th cards, you bet, but they would probably be reprinted in standard sets. I am still hoping Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant get one more printing as well as see the allied fetchlands.
EDH DECKS
Currently under construction
MAGECRAFT STORM
-Veyran, Voice of Duality-
Protection from Degeneracy
Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.
as cards like Absorb or Undermine have very little chance of being Standard legal,
and cards like Recoil and Stasis have roughly a 0% chance of being Standard legal.
(can you tell I want UB Control a bit more Modern-viable? )
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
---
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Dunes of Zairo
SHANDALAR
Innistrad - The Darkest Night
~THE RAVNICAN CONSORTIUM~
A Community Set
Commander: Allies & Adversaries
this allows for introducing older, non-reserved list cards to the modern card pool without affecting standard.
i understand that it means there will need to be some immediate bannings, like sol-ring and TNN, but that's fine.
having those cards be made legal allows for them to trickle new cards into modern every year and then appropriately take care of cards that are too powerful with bans.
it allows them to keep modern evolving every year without having to cycle the cards through standard first, and allows them to keep the power level relatively low in standard so that there's a good separation between the modern and standard power levels.
that way they don't have to alter the purpose of modern masters and keep it as a "reprinting of format pillars" set.
Nothing
Modern:
Cruel Control, UR Delver, RUG midrange, Akroma's Elfmorial
EDH:
Animar, Chainer, Derevi the Stonehewer Mystic, Nekusar
Considering that the latter was banned in standard for a while, not likely. Rishadan Port is just to good. Mother of Runes is borderline to good as well.
---
Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Fetch lands? print some major searching effects in the block and put Aven Mindcensor in the next or the one after block , and in the block with lots of search effects put a punishment style card (like : Don't make me wait 1R enchantment : whenever a player search his library, you may put a rage counter on Don't make me wait. If you did, Don't make me wait deals x damage to that player,where x is the number of rage counters on it) ( or like Cosi's Trickster )
One of the good things of this new structure is that if a thing proves it self to be troublefull it has 12-15 mounths in Standard soo they can print hate cards or just let it rotate in peace(rip away)...
I can totaly see they reprinting Liliana of the Veil in a 2 set block ( in fact she would be printed in M15 (in inicial development)).
muraganda please
Undermine I can see having a lower chance of being reprinted.
Absorb would have a higher chance since it's a 3 life gain compared to the more superior Render Silent which standard has now. I can see Absorb downgraded to an Uncommon if reprinted.
Why I think so?
Conclusion:
If Wizards want to make money from the Modern format they will have to start making new cards for this format and release them in a product outside the 4 yearly Standard sets.
I expect this change to go live no earlier than 2016.
Unlike the first Modern Masters sets with new cards for Modern will of course have unlimited print run.
Oh, and I'd really really welcome a yearly set like this. Unlimited printrun Modern set with new cards. Modern format could also use some new cards as it's getting more and more stale and banning cards just to shake up the format is pure evil.
Just want to have it marked so i can put in my sig...
But one thing about a set being less time in standard is: They can put powered cards once a while without have to overextent on hate cards , because those cards will stay for a year or 5/4 years ( like in Sphinx Revelation ... that had soo many haters and has stayed in T2 for 2 years, imagine it lefting after Born of the Gods and before journey into Nyx? ...)
I know it seems as you put it,
but I personally believe Absorb is slightly more powerful
(at least as a Control spell- in a Tempo deck like Fae, Undermine would be incredible).
The reason I say this is that for Control, all Undermine is is a slightly more cost prohibitive Cancel
that also reduces the amount of work your finisher needs to do- but a separate finisher is still required.
And once Control has stabilized, an extra 3-6 damage to the opponent is nice, but not usually necessary.
Absorb, on the other hand, actually helps a Control deck stabilize
and reach the point where the finisher can do its job.
Don't get me wrong though- I adore them both, and would love to see them in Modern somehow.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I would be fine with both. Neither seem gamechanging, at least not the way counterspell is.
How would Absorb or Undermine break Standard? They are only a little more powerful than Dissolve. And Recoil would only not get reprinted because Wizards thinks that it isn't fun.
If that happened, there would be no way to get cards into Legacy without getting them into Modern, which would hurt Legacy.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying either Absorb or Undermine would "break" Standard.
I'm just saying WotC seems to not care for them too much
(see Countersquall, Punish Ignorance, Fall of the Gavel, etc.),
so I wouldn't hold my breath on them being printed in a Standard set.
Then again, they could have given Undermine to the Sultai and Absorb to the Jeskai for all I know.
As for Recoil, I'm about as close to 100% certain they won't put that in Standard as I can be-
I love the card, but that's because it's like an instant-speed Vindicate in the decks that run it.
That said, I don't think it's "too good" for Modern-
Esper Control isn't exactly a Modern powerhouse, and it could definitely benefit from these three cards.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I fail to see how cards like Countersquall existing mean that Wizards won't reprint Absorb and Undermine.
Liliana of the Veil was supposed to be reprinted in M15 so she could be reprinted in M16.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
huh?
the only effect being legal in both formats has on a card is it's price. legacy is already a massive investment as it stands. if you're investing in legacy, you're interested in doing so regardless of the price. going forward, commander products have unlimited print runs, so availability isn't really a problem.
Nothing
Modern:
Cruel Control, UR Delver, RUG midrange, Akroma's Elfmorial
EDH:
Animar, Chainer, Derevi the Stonehewer Mystic, Nekusar
If Supplemental products were in Modern, they couldn't print new high-powered cards like Shardless Agent in them, which would mean that Legacy would get fewer playable cards, which would hurt it.
No, Maro said that she is too strong for the current Standard, in which the best deck is monoblack.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
wellwisher
baleful strix
hatred
swords to plowshares
would be very interesting
I just really wish that they could have reprinted Opposition (or its lesser cousin Glare of Subdual) in Standard to abuse with Inspired.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.