I'll concede on guns (pity though, they're one of the coolest parts of Western settings), but don't take away the nice hats; they're one of the most iconic elements of the genre (sounds familiar...). I could see some manner of gauntlet taking the place of guns, used to fire spellshots. The gauntlet metal can feature a lot of the stylings classically put on revolvers and such.
Also, I really want Chandra and Gideon to co-star in a Western set. The Hotshot and the Iron Lawman!
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I'll concede on guns (pity though, they're one of the coolest parts of Western settings), but don't take away the nice hats; they're one of the most iconic elements of the genre (sounds familiar...). I could see some manner of gauntlet taking the place of guns, used to fire spellshots. The gauntlet metal can feature a lot of the stylings classically put on revolvers and such.
Also, I really want Chandra and Gideon to co-star in a Western set. The Hotshot and the Iron Lawman!
If we were to ever get a Western-themed plane, I think that's likely where Angrath would come from and (if so) probably why we end up there in the first place.
I'm not fan of Westerns so I'm not gun hoe (pun intended) about a Wild West themed plane but we'd see fire arms. The Ixalan art book talked about how pirates with fire arms was too iconic to not have, so they seemly agreed that magic can have fire arms just can't use bullets or gunpowder with Ixalan having fire arms that are spring loaded and will fire rope/harpoons or magic.
Wild West plane could use magical firearms, ones that fire lassos, nets and if Angrath is indeed from this plane, chains.
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You know, there was a time when I'd have been beside myself with anticipation for a viking-themed Magic set. I'm sure it'll look fine and maybe even have an interesting twist (as Sheoldred alluded to) - Amonkhet hit both of those targets, at least for my money. But Amonkhet was also just not that interesting. As much as I love flavor, you do sometimes have to think a little about interesting to play and, yes, fun to play, when it's a game, and I don't have much faith in them to do that right now. :|
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I think Western themed planes would be really weird. Having horses as vehicles, and guns may be less imaginative in my opinion. Seeing Jace as Billy the kid would actually make me hate him more.
Wizards is officially against having guns in Magic, hence why the Pirates of Ixalan weren't packing flintlocks. They had crossbows or some kind of wrist-mounted cannon instead.
Personally, I can see Western Magic combining the image of the "cowboy showdown" with the use of spells; instead of drawing guns, they begin charging spells, or simply have prepared spells in the form of spellshots loaded into their gauntlets for fast spellslinging. Imagine a cross between Ral Zarek and Clint Eastwood.
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Magic already had a set with gun-wielding pirates, gun-wielding shadowy anthropomorphic demons called nightstalkers, gun-wielding soldiers and knight, pretty much everything wielding a pistol, rifle, or blunderbuss. Portal Second Age was the set. And the setting was actually Dominaria (the island of Caliman, to be exact). So yeah, it happened once before so why not again?
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I feel like a viking based set would end up being somewhat reminiscent of Ice Age/Cold Snap. And now with vechicles we would definitely get long boats.
I feel like a viking based set would end up being somewhat reminiscent of Ice Age/Cold Snap. And now with vechicles we would definitely get long boats.
I'd be down. I started magic with Ice Age.
I didn't play during Ice Age but I loved Coldsnap a lot, so that would be cool. I'd just love a Viking set though
What was iconic about vikings was the long boats and lodges / drinking halls. Norse villages were pretty sweet as well.
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Oh pleease i hope they never have the terrible idea to do western theme !
I cant stand anything related to that !
Now id LOVE though the Viking norse set !
But nut until 2019 i guess.
Simply cuz the Gods are the maincast & we just had Gods.
I can see Vryn - a Mage Ring wizards dueling plane - being wild westernizable.
Oh pleease i hope they never have the terrible idea to do western theme !
I cant stand anything related to that !
Now id LOVE though the Viking norse set !
But nut until 2019 i guess.
Simply cuz the Gods are the maincast & we just had Gods.
I can see Vryn - a Mage Ring wizards dueling plane - being wild westernizable.
Based on what we've seen of the plane and its factions, Vryn is much closer to a European war plane than a Western plane IMO.
Oh pleease i hope they never have the terrible idea to do western theme !
I cant stand anything related to that !
Now id LOVE though the Viking norse set !
But nut until 2019 i guess.
Simply cuz the Gods are the maincast & we just had Gods.
I can see Vryn - a Mage Ring wizards dueling plane - being wild westernizable.
Based on what we've seen of the plane and its factions, Vryn is much closer to a European war plane than a Western plane IMO.
That's fair. It was just what bells it rang for me. I'm probably wrong.
to me vryn appears to be a bleak quasi-dystopian plane where a small group of mages control all magic and the majority of people live lives of desperate squalor. something like brazil, 1984, or children of men...except fantasy. it's kind of great.
to me vryn appears to be a bleak quasi-dystopian plane where a small group of mages control all magic and the majority of people live lives of desperate squalor. something like brazil, 1984, or children of men...except fantasy. it's kind of great.
Vryn was actually pretty well described. There are two factions fighting over the ring network and whoever holds the central hub has some awesome power. Nobody dares to damage or destroy the network because they would lose the prize everybody is fighting for. Alhammarret was using Jace to keep the conflict going for selfish reasons and he probably wasn't the only one. Those caught in between, such as Jace's parents, suffer all the ***** such an ongoing conflict generates.
to me vryn appears to be a bleak quasi-dystopian plane where a small group of mages control all magic and the majority of people live lives of desperate squalor. something like brazil, 1984, or children of men...except fantasy. it's kind of great.
Vryn was actually pretty well described. There are two factions fighting over the ring network and whoever holds the central hub has some awesome power. Nobody dares to damage or destroy the network because they would lose the prize everybody is fighting for. Alhammarret was using Jace to keep the conflict going for selfish reasons and he probably wasn't the only one. Those caught in between, such as Jace's parents, suffer all the ***** such an ongoing conflict generates.
Only a matter of time, then, before a third faction emerges and says "screw it, destroy the rings". Which of course is itself problematic since those rings are big enough to hold entire towns' worth of people on them. Maybe the people will seek to take control of the Rings from the other two factions?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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to me vryn appears to be a bleak quasi-dystopian plane where a small group of mages control all magic and the majority of people live lives of desperate squalor. something like brazil, 1984, or children of men...except fantasy. it's kind of great.
Vryn was actually pretty well described. There are two factions fighting over the ring network and whoever holds the central hub has some awesome power. Nobody dares to damage or destroy the network because they would lose the prize everybody is fighting for. Alhammarret was using Jace to keep the conflict going for selfish reasons and he probably wasn't the only one. Those caught in between, such as Jace's parents, suffer all the ***** such an ongoing conflict generates.
Only a matter of time, then, before a third faction emerges and says "screw it, destroy the rings". Which of course is itself problematic since those rings are big enough to hold entire towns' worth of people on them. Maybe the people will seek to take control of the Rings from the other two factions?
I would guess that there already is a third faction, the one feeding the conflict and profiting from it, and when Jace inevitably goes there, he will try to put an end to that. But that's derailing this thread, as Vryn will likely be neither Viking nor Western.
As one other mentioned before me, Valla definitely sounds like the Viking plane (Immersturm). I definitely could see that happening in the near future. I dunno on a Western theme'd set, I guess we could see more vehicles? That being said, a native-American theme'd plane could be interesting (spirit guides, vision quests, return of totem armor, could see some mythos beings like Coyote, etc).
Now that I've done some development on a Western world, I can see the basis for some steampunk elements, originating from the introduction of trains to the western frontier. I'd keep the artifact focus centered mainly in UB, representing industrialists from a developed region of the plane, but with Dwarves being a RW tribe there would also be some industrial elements in those colors, though red Dwarves are more about mining and blowing things up while white Dwarves are builders and lawkeepers. Vehicles would be a major part of the UB Industrial archetype, and there would be some Vehicles-matter cards in the set as well.
I could see a separate Native America-themed setting, but the "Injun" tropes of the Western genre would go mostly to green Centaurs and red Minotaurs. White Centaurs live among the settlers and play a role as ranchers and lawkeepers while black Minotaurs abandon their tribal heritage to live as outlaws and bounty hunters.
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Well, w/ the return to Ravnica, for a third time, a steampunk Western will could (potentially) come in Spring 2019, but instead of "steam" powering the contraption, it could be "Energy" - a feature that can be explored outside of Kaladesh. Instead of Native Americans, there can be either elves or goblins as the natives... or an introduction of a new tribal-feeling race.
I know WotC likes to revisit old ideas in a new context, breathing new life into stale or forgotten cards. This also gives them a chance to make reprints.
So, if there is something like "Energypunk" (hashtag, I am naming it that), then I am going to guesstimate that there will be vehicles and energy-based equipment (w/o feeling like it doesn't belong in a Magic product), while still feeling "Western" roots w/ ghost town like areas, maybe boon towns for mining energy from the planet/plane, battles w/ Natives/mysticism, and wildlife that is enormous, supernatural and/or Cryptozoic.
I could picture BR Minotaurs and GW Centaurs filling the role of natives; bull people and horse people would fit right in, and being associated most with axes and bows respectively, they could easily adapt many of the iconic Native weapons like the tomahawk. Not to mention their main colors are opposed to the main color of artifice, blue, with the red Minotaurs also opposing white-aligned settlers and the green Centaurs opposing black-aligned industrialists and poachers.
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I feel like a Western set is too much like innistrad in terms of humans being the overarching creature type. Vikings would be kinda cool, but then that also is probably similar, mythos-wise, to Trakir.
Vikings would be kinda cool, but then that also is probably similar, mythos-wise, to Trakir.
...how?
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Also, I really want Chandra and Gideon to co-star in a Western set. The Hotshot and the Iron Lawman!
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
If we were to ever get a Western-themed plane, I think that's likely where Angrath would come from and (if so) probably why we end up there in the first place.
Wild West plane could use magical firearms, ones that fire lassos, nets and if Angrath is indeed from this plane, chains.
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Vikings might be interesting though.
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Personally, I can see Western Magic combining the image of the "cowboy showdown" with the use of spells; instead of drawing guns, they begin charging spells, or simply have prepared spells in the form of spellshots loaded into their gauntlets for fast spellslinging. Imagine a cross between Ral Zarek and Clint Eastwood.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I'd be down. I started magic with Ice Age.
I didn't play during Ice Age but I loved Coldsnap a lot, so that would be cool. I'd just love a Viking set though
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I can see Vryn - a Mage Ring wizards dueling plane - being wild westernizable.
Based on what we've seen of the plane and its factions, Vryn is much closer to a European war plane than a Western plane IMO.
That's fair. It was just what bells it rang for me. I'm probably wrong.
Vryn was actually pretty well described. There are two factions fighting over the ring network and whoever holds the central hub has some awesome power. Nobody dares to damage or destroy the network because they would lose the prize everybody is fighting for. Alhammarret was using Jace to keep the conflict going for selfish reasons and he probably wasn't the only one. Those caught in between, such as Jace's parents, suffer all the ***** such an ongoing conflict generates.
Only a matter of time, then, before a third faction emerges and says "screw it, destroy the rings". Which of course is itself problematic since those rings are big enough to hold entire towns' worth of people on them. Maybe the people will seek to take control of the Rings from the other two factions?
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I would guess that there already is a third faction, the one feeding the conflict and profiting from it, and when Jace inevitably goes there, he will try to put an end to that. But that's derailing this thread, as Vryn will likely be neither Viking nor Western.
I could see a separate Native America-themed setting, but the "Injun" tropes of the Western genre would go mostly to green Centaurs and red Minotaurs. White Centaurs live among the settlers and play a role as ranchers and lawkeepers while black Minotaurs abandon their tribal heritage to live as outlaws and bounty hunters.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I know WotC likes to revisit old ideas in a new context, breathing new life into stale or forgotten cards. This also gives them a chance to make reprints.
So, if there is something like "Energypunk" (hashtag, I am naming it that), then I am going to guesstimate that there will be vehicles and energy-based equipment (w/o feeling like it doesn't belong in a Magic product), while still feeling "Western" roots w/ ghost town like areas, maybe boon towns for mining energy from the planet/plane, battles w/ Natives/mysticism, and wildlife that is enormous, supernatural and/or Cryptozoic.
I think that would be amazing.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
...how?
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