The original story of Pinocchio, he was made from already living wood (no fairy magic brought him to life) so that could be flavored a tree folk.
I think that would still be a construct... living wall is made from flesh but is still an artifact. Also they will go with the known and recognized story over the original version...
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I am also curious as to what the Gingerbread Man's type would be. Construct possibly, but usually that's only artifacts, and he's not really an artifact, per say. Elemental could work I suppose...
Could be funny if he was a "Weird" lol.
Technically it should be Golem, whenever you take a pile of material and animate it you get a Golem. All the dishes and clocks and candlesticks in Beauty and the Beast are Golem. And I don’t see any problem with the Gingerbread man being an artifact.
Then again the man difference between Golem and Elemental is that elementals arise naturally and Golem are created... and I don’t think someone intentionally animated the Gingerbread man so you could argue for elemental... but I would go with Golem. (Frosty the Snowman is a Snow Golem because the children’s belief and dreams and the Magic Hat animated him, he didn’t spring into life spontaneously which would have made him a Snow Elemental...)
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Since we've already seen puppets as artifact creatures, I'm gonna go with Pinocchio being an artifact creature, and quite likely a Construct.
Living Wall is an old Magic card, so it really shouldn't be used as a basis for modern flavor. Nowadays it would most likely be a black nonartifact Wall, as black seems fond of using blood, bones, and flesh to build its defenses.[/spoiler]
From what we've seen, Golems are generally bulky humanoid automatons, where Constructs tend to be more abstract or smaller in form. Kaladesh being one of the few exceptions, though if you ask me the Gearhulks and other large humanoid automatons really ought to have been Golems. Elementals don't always arise naturally, they're composed of a base elemental force such as earth, fire, wind, or water, and are often conjured by mages. In most fantasy settings Golems might as well be Elementals, being composed chiefly of clay or stone, but in Magic terminology a Golem is basically a humanoid robot built from some manner of solid material while an Elemental is any creature composed almost entirely of elemental energy that either manifests naturally or is deliberately conjured.
Frosty the Snowman and other such snow-kin should be classed as Elementals. Magical artifacts are used to animate them, yes, but a snowman itself does not feel like an artifact creature to me.
By the same token the Gingerbread Man is a being composed of organic material - in this case, gingerbread - brought to life by accident. Calling him an artifact creature feels like a bit of a stretch. I'm personally going with red Elemental, red because it fits the spiciness of gingerbread and because the Gingerbread Man most likely has red abilities such as haste and selfbounce.
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From what we've seen, Golems are generally bulky humanoid automatons, where Constructs tend to be more abstract or smaller in form. Kaladesh being one of the few exceptions, though if you ask me the Gearhulks and other large humanoid automatons really ought to have been Golems. Elementals don't always arise naturally, they're composed of a base elemental force such as earth, fire, wind, or water, and are often conjured by mages. In most fantasy settings Golems might as well be Elementals, being composed chiefly of clay or stone, but in Magic terminology a Golem is basically a humanoid robot built from some manner of solid material while an Elemental is any creature composed almost entirely of elemental energy that either manifests naturally or is deliberately conjured.
Elementals are conjured, or summoned by mages, they exist and are brought from there to here. Golem are created by Mages, they did not exist and now do.
Frosty the Snowman and other such snow-kin should be classed as Elementals. Magical artifacts are used to animate them, yes, but a snowman itself does not feel like an artifact creature to me.
That’s why I chose frosty, he seems like an elemental but he didn’t exist elsewhere and was summoned, rather a pile of mass was magically animated and given a semblance of life by a magic hat. Frosty himself is a Golem because he was magically animated.
By the same token the Gingerbread Man is a being composed of organic material - in this case, gingerbread - brought to life by accident. Calling him an artifact creature feels like a bit of a stretch. I'm personally going with red Elemental, red because it fits the spiciness of gingerbread and because the Gingerbread Man most likely has red abilities such as haste and selfbounce.
The gingerbread man was similarly created by magic and thus a Golem.
A construct on the other hand is a robot, a Golem is just a pile of matter, a construct each piece is important and has a function and they work together to create a ‘creature’. The gear hulks are large constructs, the gingerbread man is a small Golem.
Gears and belts and pistons and such generally indicate a construct, no internal moving parts generally indicates a Golem if created or elemental if naturally occurring.
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Elementals are conjured, or summoned by mages, they exist and are brought from there to here. Golem are created by Mages, they did not exist and now do.
Golems are created by Artificers, actually. And while there are Elementals that occur naturally, particularly in green, many are also artificially created as is the case with Izzet Weirds and Guardians of Vitu-Ghazi.
That’s why I chose frosty, he seems like an elemental but he didn’t exist elsewhere and was summoned, rather a pile of mass was magically animated and given a semblance of life by a magic hat. Frosty himself is a Golem because he was magically animated.
The gingerbread man was similarly created by magic and thus a Golem.
When I think snowmen I think Elementals, not Golems. Creatures made of ice and snow? Yeah, those are Elementals.
A construct on the other hand is a robot, a Golem is just a pile of matter, a construct each piece is important and has a function and they work together to create a ‘creature’. The gear hulks are large constructs, the gingerbread man is a small Golem.
Look like robots to me. Yeah, a lot of Golems are animate statues, and the greater definition of Golem seems to be "humanoid artifact creature", but the fact is even a sculpted stone statue is effectively built. Granted, the game does like to blur the lines with cards like the Gearhulks and Gate Colossus.
I mean, yeah, it would help if Golems, traditionally being made of clay or stone, were established in MtG lore as beings made of stone while Constructs are automatons made of metal.
For all we know Gingerbread Man turns out to be a red Elemental Golem.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Gingerbread man being an elemental is weird imo. Elemental are suppose to be composed of naturally occurring things. Gingerbread is too artificial.
But I could see they using elemental by prioritizing looks over logic (it's not like they have defined the difference between golem, constructs and elemental anyway). The gingerbread man also have too much personality unlike most golem and construct who are very robot-minded. Maybe this is the reason why it indeed feels weird to make him a colorless artifact creature. Maybe a red artifact creature...
Silver border, sure, but when I see a gingerbread man in black border Magic, that confectionary colossus is the first thing that comes to mind.
My general impression of Golems and Constructs vs. Elementals is that the former are composed primarily of metal or stone while the latter are composed of basically everything else. Earth Elementals confuse matters, but where Stone Golems seem to be artifically cut and shaped, Earth Elementals seem to be conjured and shaped from the earth purely by magic.
Which, that being said, I guess I could see the Gingerbread Man being considered a Construct or Golem rather than an Elemental, but to me the materials are too organic to qualify as an artifact creature. Most every artifact involves metal or stone in its composition, even artifacts made chiefly from wood or leather.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Silver border, sure, but when I see a gingerbread man in black border Magic, that confectionary colossus is the first thing that comes to mind.
My general impression of Golems and Constructs vs. Elementals is that the former are composed primarily of metal or stone while the latter are composed of basically everything else. Earth Elementals confuse matters, but where Stone Golems seem to be artifically cut and shaped, Earth Elementals seem to be conjured and shaped from the earth purely by magic.
Which, that being said, I guess I could see the Gingerbread Man being considered a Construct or Golem rather than an Elemental, but to me the materials are too organic to qualify as an artifact creature. Most every artifact involves metal or stone in its composition, even artifacts made chiefly from wood or leather.
I'm not saying it is impossible but all the elementals in black border magic are composed of naturally occurring things, this is why placing a gingerbread creature in the same group would be weird. It's not impossible and R&D could end up doing it, but for me it definitely feels out of place.
And snow man looks like a elemental to me as well because snow is naturally occurring. If it was a golem it wouldn't be called snow man, it would be more specific like Snow Golem and it would bulky and mindless like most golem.
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Might have changed to an elemental but it looks like golems got it.
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I would really like to see DFCs in this set. Being deciduous, and with Ixalan rotating out, it would be possible to see them show up. I think it's unlikely, given the special card frame previewed for Goldilocks, but they could have some sweet fairytale DFCs. The evil queen could flip into the hag with the apple. The wolves (like the Big Bad Wolf and Little Red Riding Hood wolf) could actually be werewolves with a human side that plays into a different fairytale with a flip condition. You could do flip cards like the poisoned apple on one side being an artifact that indefinitely taps down a creature (as long as this remains tapped, etc. etc.) with a flip condition of when a Prince ETB, exile it and return it flipped into an animate dead type enchantment.
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Then again the man difference between Golem and Elemental is that elementals arise naturally and Golem are created... and I don’t think someone intentionally animated the Gingerbread man so you could argue for elemental... but I would go with Golem. (Frosty the Snowman is a Snow Golem because the children’s belief and dreams and the Magic Hat animated him, he didn’t spring into life spontaneously which would have made him a Snow Elemental...)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
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Living Wall is an old Magic card, so it really shouldn't be used as a basis for modern flavor. Nowadays it would most likely be a black nonartifact Wall, as black seems fond of using blood, bones, and flesh to build its defenses.[/spoiler]
From what we've seen, Golems are generally bulky humanoid automatons, where Constructs tend to be more abstract or smaller in form. Kaladesh being one of the few exceptions, though if you ask me the Gearhulks and other large humanoid automatons really ought to have been Golems. Elementals don't always arise naturally, they're composed of a base elemental force such as earth, fire, wind, or water, and are often conjured by mages. In most fantasy settings Golems might as well be Elementals, being composed chiefly of clay or stone, but in Magic terminology a Golem is basically a humanoid robot built from some manner of solid material while an Elemental is any creature composed almost entirely of elemental energy that either manifests naturally or is deliberately conjured.
Frosty the Snowman and other such snow-kin should be classed as Elementals. Magical artifacts are used to animate them, yes, but a snowman itself does not feel like an artifact creature to me.
By the same token the Gingerbread Man is a being composed of organic material - in this case, gingerbread - brought to life by accident. Calling him an artifact creature feels like a bit of a stretch. I'm personally going with red Elemental, red because it fits the spiciness of gingerbread and because the Gingerbread Man most likely has red abilities such as haste and selfbounce.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Elementals are conjured, or summoned by mages, they exist and are brought from there to here. Golem are created by Mages, they did not exist and now do.
That’s why I chose frosty, he seems like an elemental but he didn’t exist elsewhere and was summoned, rather a pile of mass was magically animated and given a semblance of life by a magic hat. Frosty himself is a Golem because he was magically animated.
The gingerbread man was similarly created by magic and thus a Golem.
A construct on the other hand is a robot, a Golem is just a pile of matter, a construct each piece is important and has a function and they work together to create a ‘creature’. The gear hulks are large constructs, the gingerbread man is a small Golem.
Gears and belts and pistons and such generally indicate a construct, no internal moving parts generally indicates a Golem if created or elemental if naturally occurring.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Golems are created by Artificers, actually. And while there are Elementals that occur naturally, particularly in green, many are also artificially created as is the case with Izzet Weirds and Guardians of Vitu-Ghazi.
When I think snowmen I think Elementals, not Golems. Creatures made of ice and snow? Yeah, those are Elementals.
Look like robots to me. Yeah, a lot of Golems are animate statues, and the greater definition of Golem seems to be "humanoid artifact creature", but the fact is even a sculpted stone statue is effectively built. Granted, the game does like to blur the lines with cards like the Gearhulks and Gate Colossus.
I mean, yeah, it would help if Golems, traditionally being made of clay or stone, were established in MtG lore as beings made of stone while Constructs are automatons made of metal.
For all we know Gingerbread Man turns out to be a red Elemental Golem.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
But I could see they using elemental by prioritizing looks over logic (it's not like they have defined the difference between golem, constructs and elemental anyway). The gingerbread man also have too much personality unlike most golem and construct who are very robot-minded. Maybe this is the reason why it indeed feels weird to make him a colorless artifact creature. Maybe a red artifact creature...
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Silver border, sure, but when I see a gingerbread man in black border Magic, that confectionary colossus is the first thing that comes to mind.
My general impression of Golems and Constructs vs. Elementals is that the former are composed primarily of metal or stone while the latter are composed of basically everything else. Earth Elementals confuse matters, but where Stone Golems seem to be artifically cut and shaped, Earth Elementals seem to be conjured and shaped from the earth purely by magic.
Which, that being said, I guess I could see the Gingerbread Man being considered a Construct or Golem rather than an Elemental, but to me the materials are too organic to qualify as an artifact creature. Most every artifact involves metal or stone in its composition, even artifacts made chiefly from wood or leather.
BTW, Maro leans Team Elemental for animate snowmen.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Ridiculous Elementals such as Our Market Research Shows That Players Like Really Long Card Names So We Made this Card to Have the Absolute Longest Card Name Ever Elemental or Question Elemental? is a recurring joke in silver border. Fruitcake Elemental is just another example.
I'm not saying it is impossible but all the elementals in black border magic are composed of naturally occurring things, this is why placing a gingerbread creature in the same group would be weird. It's not impossible and R&D could end up doing it, but for me it definitely feels out of place.
And snow man looks like a elemental to me as well because snow is naturally occurring. If it was a golem it wouldn't be called snow man, it would be more specific like Snow Golem and it would bulky and mindless like most golem.
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Might have changed to an elemental but it looks like golems got it.
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