I’m worried that a lot of these legends will be Kaervek Core 21 levels of awful but will spark lore memories. I’d personally like a Yawgmoth at his final form. Urza. Three color Theros Gods. Three color guild leaders since those “bond” cards indicate guilds fusing their message.
I wonder if they do it in a Jumpstart like way?
Yikes I don't wanna even remember the new Karvek my biggest fear is if an important legend like per se Gix gets something like this "Whenever Gix enters the battlefield target opponent mills a card, whenever you draw a card an opponent mills a card" while it's not really a bad card, it doesn't feel Gix-Y to me
I’m worried that a lot of these legends will be Kaervek Core 21 levels of awful but will spark lore memories. I’d personally like a Yawgmoth at his final form. Urza. Three color Theros Gods. Three color guild leaders since those “bond” cards indicate guilds fusing their message.
I wonder if they do it in a Jumpstart like way?
I don't think we have to worry too much on that this is a supplement set vs standard set the storm-scale doesn't apply so these card will be on the level of too strong for standard
What are the odds, of a cycle of 5 monocoloured legendaries that partner with eachother or with any legendary creature with partner
There's pretty close to no chance of the original partner ever coming back. It's just too hard to balance and widely viewed as a mistake and has been suggested as such by WotC making the partner with mechanic to replace it. They could maybe do a partner with for 5 legends but that would be A LOT of text. Perhaps they partner with a specific creature type unique to those 5 legends though, which could be pretty interesting
What are the odds, of a cycle of 5 monocoloured legendaries that partner with eachother or with any legendary creature with partner
There's pretty close to no chance of the original partner ever coming back. It's just too hard to balance and widely viewed as a mistake and has been suggested as such by WotC making the partner with mechanic to replace it. They could maybe do a partner with for 5 legends but that would be A LOT of text. Perhaps they partner with a specific creature type unique to those 5 legends though, which could be pretty interesting
While I mostly agree, it wouldn’t be difficult to do 5 monocolored Partners that don’t break the format-
Just make them Slivers.
There’s no way they could be more broken than Sliver Queen, Sliver Overlord, or The First Sliver.
Oh mechanic I think will show up in reprints and new cards
Partner with (the most likely is sisters of flesh and spirits 5-color as well)
Lieutenant
Eminence (for tribal commanders)
Monarch
Split second
Prowess
Delve
Cascade
Undying
Morph
Undying
Presist
Dredge
Threshold
Crew (for a vehicle legend)
Flashback
Phase out/in (not phasing)
Will of the council/Council's dilemma (a voting mechanic basically)
And one or more cards with the ”if condition is met/upkeep you win the game” (alt win condition cards)
I would be 0% surprised if they went time spiral with mechanics/keywords again just like with modern horizons (maybe future sight love letter)
Well bad news for kyodai/sisters of spirit and flesh , Gavin said they were a BIG IF in a If When Podcast in the vorthos cast, other ifs include most of the nine titans too
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
How about version 2 of O-kagachi and was he talking sister of flesh and spirit or kyodai alone or both for the big if?
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
How about version 2 of O-kagachi and was he talking sister of flesh and spirit or kyodai alone or both for the big if?
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
How about version 2 of O-kagachi and was he talking sister of flesh and spirit or kyodai alone or both for the big if?
I'll look later too bad No time stamps of each one
At least O-kagachi 2.0 Is still possible for are spirit tribal legend (not rated)
and as for gix and ashnod
clearly ashnod was intended for the rakdos deck
and gix most likely the esper deck because I don’t think he would fit a land theme deck
(Ps why would they pull gix they know he’s the most requested character to get a card right now)
edit: hey wait that video is a year old how do we know the list is still the same thoughts today
The podcast came out some weeks before Commander Legends was announced, when gavin was asked for Baron Sengir and Jeska he said big when when when, also Commander Legends has been done for over 1 year now, Josh from Command Zone has drafter the set 1 year ago with Gavin btw
Also Ashnod was supposed to be in C18 instead of Xantcha, she got pulled and was supposed to be in Modern Horizon and then she also got pulled out of Modern Horizons
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
So Rebbec is the most likely of all of them?
Not sure I like that.
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
So Rebbec is the most likely of all of them?
Not sure I like that.
Actually, I’m sure I don’t.
she’s the reason yawgmoth found the phyrexians in the first place she hired him to study the decease in her husband Glacian because gix stabbed him with a power stone
If I had to compile a list of characters who have above 90% chances of being in Commander Legends I'd pick these ones
Ashnod
Mishra
Crovax
Urza PW
Leshrak
Alena, trapper of Kessig
Halana, Kessig ranger
Unnamed WB Angel sister
Belbe, Phyrexian Princess
Gix, Phyrexian Demon
Yawgmoth, Father of Machines
Taysir of Rabiah
Rebbec, Thran Architect
So many Legendary creatures though, can anyone here even name 80 legendaries(70 plus in the set plus 6 in the commander legends decks) in the lore than really do need to get a card
Well it gonna be a mix of characters who never got a card, characters getting a redo and new characters made for this set. So I think ~20-25 is what we will see more.
I’m worried that a lot of these legends will be Kaervek Core 21 levels of awful but will spark lore memories.
I think its likely to get some due this set being draft able but I do hope anything they had to put in got a new character they could flavor around the design.
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So many Legendary creatures though, can anyone here even name 80 legendaries(70 plus in the set plus 6 in the commander legends decks) in the lore than really do need to get a card
Well it gonna be a mix of characters who never got a card, characters getting a redo and new characters made for this set. So I think ~20-25 is what we will see more.
I’m worried that a lot of these legends will be Kaervek Core 21 levels of awful but will spark lore memories.
I think its likely to get some due this set being draft able but I do hope anything they had to put in got a new character they could flavor around the design.
don’t forget Gavin also said new never seen characters are In commander legends so in 3rds of Old no card Legends/redo Legends/new Legends And I do agree a few will unfortunately end up the same fate as Kaervek 2.0 but lucky probably barely any because Gavin said the set is much bigger than usual
I'm thinking with Zendikar Rising and Zendikar Commander coming out we probably shouldn't see any Zendikar specific characters in Commander Legends, and of course we'll probably get a bunch of Dominaria 2.0s, but I'm hopeful we get a majority of legends from planes other than Dominaria.
I was curious how many legends we've had in sets outside of the traditional plane-focused sets to speculate on which planes might get new characters so I created the list below.
Note: I've lumped in all legends from early Weatherlight planes into the Dominaria count.
Yikes I don't wanna even remember the new Karvek my biggest fear is if an important legend like per se Gix gets something like this "Whenever Gix enters the battlefield target opponent mills a card, whenever you draw a card an opponent mills a card" while it's not really a bad card, it doesn't feel Gix-Y to me
I don't think we have to worry too much on that this is a supplement set vs standard set the storm-scale doesn't apply so these card will be on the level of too strong for standard
I'm gonna be mad if we don’t see kyodai/sisters of spirit and flesh (kyodai with Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker)
Or a better version of O-kagachi
And both/either need to be a spirit tribal legend 5-color
They could be the first Partners that become 5 color.
There's pretty close to no chance of the original partner ever coming back. It's just too hard to balance and widely viewed as a mistake and has been suggested as such by WotC making the partner with mechanic to replace it. They could maybe do a partner with for 5 legends but that would be A LOT of text. Perhaps they partner with a specific creature type unique to those 5 legends though, which could be pretty interesting
While I mostly agree, it wouldn’t be difficult to do 5 monocolored Partners that don’t break the format-
Just make them Slivers.
There’s no way they could be more broken than Sliver Queen, Sliver Overlord, or The First Sliver.
Partner with (the most likely is sisters of flesh and spirits 5-color as well)
Lieutenant
Eminence (for tribal commanders)
Monarch
Split second
Prowess
Delve
Cascade
Undying
Morph
Undying
Presist
Dredge
Threshold
Crew (for a vehicle legend)
Flashback
Phase out/in (not phasing)
Will of the council/Council's dilemma (a voting mechanic basically)
And one or more cards with the ”if condition is met/upkeep you win the game” (alt win condition cards)
I would be 0% surprised if they went time spiral with mechanics/keywords again just like with modern horizons (maybe future sight love letter)
Glacian, Thran Artificer When
Rebbec, Thran Architect- BIG WHEN
Ashnod, Mishra’s Apprentice When (It was pulled from C19)
Mishra, Argivian Artificer When
Leshrac, Walker of Night When
Bo Levar, Interplanar Smuggler IF
Commodore Guff (Planeswalker On the line of IF WHEN
Daria of Ulgrotha (Planeswalker) BIG IF
Kristina of the Woods (Planeswalker) IF
Taysir of Rabiah (Planeswalker) When
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools (Planeswalker) IF
Urza, Academy Master (Planeswalker) (Version 2) When
Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar BIG IF
Crovax of Windgrace (Version 3) When
Asha, Bant Hero BIF IF (he said people didn't reckognize her so that lowers her chances)
Alena Alana WHENS (he talked about them prob being in a future innistrad set)
Unnamed fourth angel sister When
Sisters of Flesh and Spirit BIG IF
Belbe When
Gix When (Gix was pulled from c18)
Raven Man When
How about version 2 of O-kagachi and was he talking sister of flesh and spirit or kyodai alone or both for the big if?
He was talking about both https://soundcloud.com/user-345643028/81-if-or-when-with-gavin-verhey you can listen to it here
I'll look later too bad No time stamps of each one
At least O-kagachi 2.0 Is still possible for are spirit tribal legend (not rated)
and as for gix and ashnod
clearly ashnod was intended for the rakdos deck
and gix most likely the esper deck because I don’t think he would fit a land theme deck
(Ps why would they pull gix they know he’s the most requested character to get a card right now)
edit: hey wait that video is a year old how do we know the list is still the same thoughts today
So Rebbec is the most likely of all of them?
Not sure I like that.
Actually, I’m sure I don’t.
she’s the reason yawgmoth found the phyrexians in the first place she hired him to study the decease in her husband Glacian because gix stabbed him with a power stone
I know that when she realized what yawgmoth was a monster she sealed him up in with the power stones that were implanted in her husband
as a matter of fact surprised Dyfed wasn’t rated the walker who showed yawgmoth phyrexia which was the biggest whoops in the history of the multiverse
I'm almost 100% sure she will get a card in Commander Legends, Dyfed seems less likely
Ashnod
Mishra
Crovax
Urza PW
Leshrak
Alena, trapper of Kessig
Halana, Kessig ranger
Unnamed WB Angel sister
Belbe, Phyrexian Princess
Gix, Phyrexian Demon
Yawgmoth, Father of Machines
Taysir of Rabiah
Rebbec, Thran Architect
Well it gonna be a mix of characters who never got a card, characters getting a redo and new characters made for this set. So I think ~20-25 is what we will see more.
I think its likely to get some due this set being draft able but I do hope anything they had to put in got a new character they could flavor around the design.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
don’t forget Gavin also said new never seen characters are In commander legends so in 3rds of Old no card Legends/redo Legends/new Legends And I do agree a few will unfortunately end up the same fate as Kaervek 2.0 but lucky probably barely any because Gavin said the set is much bigger than usual
I was curious how many legends we've had in sets outside of the traditional plane-focused sets to speculate on which planes might get new characters so I created the list below.
Note: I've lumped in all legends from early Weatherlight planes into the Dominaria count.
Legends by Plane
Commander Sets (Plane Total)
C20 - 20 Legendary Creatures
20 Ikoria (20)
C19 - 16 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara (11)
7 Dominaria (20)
1 Innistrad (7)
1 Ixalan (2)
1 Ravnica (5)
2 Tarkir (8)
1 Zendikar (3)
2 Unknown (29)
C18 - 12 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara
4 Dominaria
1 Ixalan
1 Kamigawa (3)
2 Theros (9)
3 Unknown
C17 - 16 Legendary Creatures
2 Alara
5 Dominaria
1 Innistrad
1 Kamigawa
2 Tarkir
5 Unknown
C16 - 20 Legendary Creatures
3 Alara
1 Dominaria
2 Innistrad
1 New Phyrexia (2)
4 Tarkir
5 Theros
2 Zendikar
2 Unknown
C15 - 10 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara
1 Kamigawa
1 New Phyrexia
3 Ravnica
2 Theros
2 Unknown
C14 - 5 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara
2 Dominaria
2 Innistrad
C13 - 10 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara
1 Dominaria
1 Fiora (2)
1 Innistrad
1 Ravnica
5 Unknown
C11 - 15 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara
1 Fiora
1 Ir (1)
1 Muraganda (1)
1 Shandalar (1)
10 Unknown
Core Sets (Plane Total)
M21 - 10 Legendary Creatures
7 Dominaria (13)
1 Ixalan (1)
2 Unknown (14)
M20 - 12 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara (2)
1 Fiora (1)
2 Zendikar (4)
8 Unknown
M19 - 10 Legendary Creatures
5 Dominaria
1 Kaladesh (3)
1 Tarkir (1)
3 Unknown
ORI - 10 Legendary Creatures
1 Dominaria
2 Kaladesh
1 Lorwyn (1)
2 Theros (2)
2 Vryn (2)
1 Zendikar
1 Unknown
M15 - 6 Legendary Creatures
1 Innistrad (2)
4 Shandalar (5)
1 Zendikar
M13 - 5 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara
1 Innistrad
2 Ravnica (2)
1 Shandalar
"Innovative" Sets (Plane Total)
JMP - 10 Legendary Creatures
4 Dominaria (8)
1 Kylem (13)
1 Ravnica (1)
4 Unknown (11)
MH1 - 8 Legendary Creatures
4 Dominaria
4 Unknown
BBD - 12 Legendary Creatures
12 Kylem
CN2 - 5 Legendary Creatures
5 Fiora (10)
CNS - 5 Legendary Creatures
5 Fiora
PC2 - 4 Legendary Creatures
1 Alara (1)
3 Unknown