They were never $3. eBay started them at $5, SCG and CF at $4. I think the realistic ceiling is $15ish. It's likely going to be $10~$15, jumping when it sees play in the PT.
Really? Someone told me they were $3 when SCG put them up for preorder, but I did see that they were $5+ on eBay.
After seeing one of the cards tonight, the Blood Scrivener, I think it's a good time to throw some numbers out for what we may think the settled price will be.
I'd like to leave out prices that Ebay currently has, or what we think the initial price is (we all know there's a boom in prices, then the dust settles). Let's just call the settled-down price the price after three months... once the honeymoon stage has moved onto the daily doldrums of marriage.
I am going to start by speculating these cards (more can be added as more is previewed):
- Blood Scrivener - $12
- Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch - $9
- Advent of the Wurm - $6
- Ral Zarek - $14
- Render Silent - $6
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed - $10
- Vorel of the Hull Clade - $6
- Beck // Call - $16
I left out a lot of the others because I think they won't rise about $3, so I am not listing them. It doesn't mean they're not good cards, just not chase rares/mythics.
The more I see consistent price speculations, the more I'll adjust the prices here.
I wouldn't pay more for Scrivener than what Bloodghast and Gravecrawler are worth. It's a good card, but very niche in abuse. Combats LotV rather well, I might add. And takes advantage of her.
I wouldn't pay more for Scrivener than what Bloodghast and Gravecrawler are worth. It's a good card, but very niche in abuse. Combats LotV rather well, I might add. And takes advantage of her.
It's not Dark Confidant but in a fast deck it seems pretty damn good.
Pick up a playset of Death's Shadow cheap just is case some one breaks Varolz
And if the champions end up being the intro deck rares, what then?
The prices would probably drop a little bit, but I am betting not below the $5 mark. When Umezawa's Jitte was in the Rat's Nest premade deck, it dropped, but not by much. Look at it now, a $25 card.
Scrivener needs heavy testing to be proven, but I could see it working. I'd expect it to see Ash Zealot's price trajectory, more or less. Underworld Connections has not done much and a 2/1 with no haste or first strike is pretty weak in this format, so I don't see it going higher. Very cool card though.
Death's Shadow + Varolz is pretty freaking hilarious though I have to admit.
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also, why would Beck // Call be worth so much? Im thinking 7-8...
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Scrivener needs heavy testing to be proven, but I could see it working. I'd expect it to see Ash Zealot's price trajectory, more or less. Underworld Connections has not done much and a 2/1 with no haste or first strike is pretty weak in this format, so I don't see it going higher. Very cool card though.
Death's Shadow + Varolz is pretty freaking hilarious though I have to admit.
You're right about that, Look on ebay, Death's shadow listings have been FLYING off the site... I'm lucky, i got a playset for about $5.50 shipped...
They're going to go up, SCG has already sold out of them, along with CFB...
Seriously. It's amazing, I need to find out how much Varolz is gonna preorder for, gotta pick up a set or two of him.
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Yeah I love that combo but for a combo to actually see play it's components need to be good on their own. Death's Shadow doesn't seem to fit that. One to keep an eye out for in case I'm wrong though as it's a fun combo that will appeal to casuals at least.
Also I think advent of the wurm is the card to watch out for so far. Someone compared it to loxodon smiter earlier... but I think it will be a lot better. It's basically a 5/5 flash trample for 4CC with the downside being it's a token (which isn't too bad).
As for Beck//Call... that one is a very high risk high reward scenario because if it does see play in modern it could grow fast. The enter the battlefield clause (instead of cast) is a huge plus for it... but it also costs 2CC (a big difference) and requires GU. I'm not sold on it myself but is the other one I will be watching moving forward (from what is spoiled so far).
Personally I'm really liking this set so far. I love the fuse cards so far... we have only seen 2 mythics... and there seems to be some playable and interesting rares so far.
Varolz + Death's Shadow is a classic case of people buying into random "combo" hype imo.
Both cards are garbage on their own and even if you pull the combo off, the result isn't impressive on Modern standards.
Wasting money you are by investing into either card.
If it's going to combo with something, Phyrexian Dreadnought makes a LOT more sense, as that card already combos with things like Stifle and Torpor Orb. Also, since Dreadnought is an ETB trigger it doesn't just immediately go to the yard, you could get extra value out of it by saccing it to regen the troll with the trigger on the stack before later scavenging it. It makes NO sense that Death's Shadow would be the speculation target instead of Dreadnought.
Not that I'm suggesting either will be good, just that Dreadnought at least isn't garbage, and has some real value if the spec didn't pan out.
If it's going to combo with something, Phyrexian Dreadnought makes a LOT more sense, as that card already combos with things like Stifle and Torpor Orb. Also, since Dreadnought is an ETB trigger it doesn't just immediately go to the yard, you could get extra value out of it by saccing it to regen the troll with the trigger on the stack before later scavenging it. It makes NO sense that Death's Shadow would be the speculation target instead of Dreadnought.
Not that I'm suggesting either will be good, just that Dreadnought at least isn't garbage, and has some real value if the spec didn't pan out.
While true.... it should be noted that it's not legal in modern. I'm guessing that's what people are focusing on for this combo.
If it's going to combo with something, Phyrexian Dreadnought makes a LOT more sense, as that card already combos with things like Stifle and Torpor Orb. Also, since Dreadnought is an ETB trigger it doesn't just immediately go to the yard, you could get extra value out of it by saccing it to regen the troll with the trigger on the stack before later scavenging it. It makes NO sense that Death's Shadow would be the speculation target instead of Dreadnought.
Not that I'm suggesting either will be good, just that Dreadnought at least isn't garbage, and has some real value if the spec didn't pan out.
And shadow is/was a bulk to maybe .99 card wehere as Dreadnought is already a $10+ card.
Is it a good combo? no i don't think so. DO it hink you could make a decent dredge style creature deck? sure.
Love Aid of the Obzedat. Opens up a whole new deck arch-type. Planeswalker/Enchantment reanimator! That one a feel will be broken by someone.
Why is Master of Cruelties $10 right now? I guess I'm going have to wait a little while to get some copies.
Dat Kaalia of the Vast interaction. It's like Rakdos the Defiler where you get around the bad "must attack alone" abilty by dropping into play tapped and attacking, and then the life setting effect then triggers during the blocking phase, at which point Kaalia deals lethal. With ramp or greaves it's an easy turn 4 kill.
She'll be helping to drive angel/demon/dragon prices for a long time. Angels and dragons don't really need the help but demons were never anything special until she came around.
I can't bring myself to do any preorders this time- it seems like stores/auctions are being overpriced and buyers are overpaying because Boros Reckoner is fresh in their minds, so they're just making bad decisions because they don't want to "miss out" on the next big card.
That's usually the case though Sweeney. Preorder prices are always too high unless you spot a card everyone else is dismissing. Cards like Boros Reckoner are the exception to the trend and so far I haven't seen any in DGM like that. There are a couple decent gambles (beck//call) but nothing that is clearly undervalued. Plenty of cards to be spoiled though :- )
Whatcha all think about Voice of Resurgence? They're pre-selling on ebay for $20-25.
I personally won't be getting any at that price point, just because of the limited upside. The card is the real deal though and I'd be willing to jump in at $15.
That's usually the case though Sweeney. Preorder prices are always too high unless you spot a card everyone else is dismissing. Cards like Boros Reckoner are the exception to the trend and so far I haven't seen any in DGM like that. There are a couple decent gambles (beck//call) but nothing that is clearly undervalued. Plenty of cards to be spoiled though :- )
That's possible- it also just might be pent-up demand right now... there was such a tight lid on spoilers for so long that rather than having the month or so that past preorder seasons had had to shake out, this one is for the most part still barely a week in.
Voice is good, but I'm on the conservative side about his value. Is he a four of in Naya blitz? I feel like he's only mythic due to how good he'll be in limited. This will effect his value but I'd by at $10~12, and certainly not above $15.
Honestly, Voice I think is a good buy closer to $6-8. I think it'll be great post-rotation once pillar is out of the format but some many good decks are playing red right now that I don't think he will have too big of an impact on standard until rotation.
If modern had Birchlore Rangers then sure I would go for the new glimpse. As it stands I cannot think of a elf that can produce the blue you need for it. That is the problem in my eyes.
The wurm is neat and all but it is a four mana instant that can be dealt with by a measly unsummon. Now would your token ever get unsummoned? I do not know but the chance to try and populate the thing and get unsummoned in response is there. The instant speed does help though. At the very least edh token decks will love it so it might have some casual appeal in the long term.
zI find Ral just underwhelming. Sure tap their guy untap my guy is neat and all but how ar you going to abuse it is the question.
Really? Someone told me they were $3 when SCG put them up for preorder, but I did see that they were $5+ on eBay.
I'd like to leave out prices that Ebay currently has, or what we think the initial price is (we all know there's a boom in prices, then the dust settles). Let's just call the settled-down price the price after three months... once the honeymoon stage has moved onto the daily doldrums of marriage.
I am going to start by speculating these cards (more can be added as more is previewed):
- Blood Scrivener - $12
- Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch - $9
- Advent of the Wurm - $6
- Ral Zarek - $14
- Render Silent - $6
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed - $10
- Vorel of the Hull Clade - $6
- Beck // Call - $16
I left out a lot of the others because I think they won't rise about $3, so I am not listing them. It doesn't mean they're not good cards, just not chase rares/mythics.
The more I see consistent price speculations, the more I'll adjust the prices here.
It's not Dark Confidant but in a fast deck it seems pretty damn good.
Pick up a playset of Death's Shadow cheap just is case some one breaks Varolz
The prices would probably drop a little bit, but I am betting not below the $5 mark. When Umezawa's Jitte was in the Rat's Nest premade deck, it dropped, but not by much. Look at it now, a $25 card.
Death's Shadow + Varolz is pretty freaking hilarious though I have to admit.
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also, why would Beck // Call be worth so much? Im thinking 7-8...
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You're right about that, Look on ebay, Death's shadow listings have been FLYING off the site... I'm lucky, i got a playset for about $5.50 shipped...
They're going to go up, SCG has already sold out of them, along with CFB...
Seriously. It's amazing, I need to find out how much Varolz is gonna preorder for, gotta pick up a set or two of him.
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Don't think they sold out. Most likely just pulled there listing.
EDIT. Yep repriced it at 4$ with 25+ in stock.
Also I think advent of the wurm is the card to watch out for so far. Someone compared it to loxodon smiter earlier... but I think it will be a lot better. It's basically a 5/5 flash trample for 4CC with the downside being it's a token (which isn't too bad).
As for Beck//Call... that one is a very high risk high reward scenario because if it does see play in modern it could grow fast. The enter the battlefield clause (instead of cast) is a huge plus for it... but it also costs 2CC (a big difference) and requires GU. I'm not sold on it myself but is the other one I will be watching moving forward (from what is spoiled so far).
Personally I'm really liking this set so far. I love the fuse cards so far... we have only seen 2 mythics... and there seems to be some playable and interesting rares so far.
If it's going to combo with something, Phyrexian Dreadnought makes a LOT more sense, as that card already combos with things like Stifle and Torpor Orb. Also, since Dreadnought is an ETB trigger it doesn't just immediately go to the yard, you could get extra value out of it by saccing it to regen the troll with the trigger on the stack before later scavenging it. It makes NO sense that Death's Shadow would be the speculation target instead of Dreadnought.
Not that I'm suggesting either will be good, just that Dreadnought at least isn't garbage, and has some real value if the spec didn't pan out.
While true.... it should be noted that it's not legal in modern. I'm guessing that's what people are focusing on for this combo.
And shadow is/was a bulk to maybe .99 card wehere as Dreadnought is already a $10+ card.
Is it a good combo? no i don't think so. DO it hink you could make a decent dredge style creature deck? sure.
Love Aid of the Obzedat. Opens up a whole new deck arch-type. Planeswalker/Enchantment reanimator! That one a feel will be broken by someone.
I don't really see him settling anywhere north of $5 so I'm cool w/having paid that much for mine, I guess. If I'm wrong, sweet.
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Dat Kaalia of the Vast interaction. It's like Rakdos the Defiler where you get around the bad "must attack alone" abilty by dropping into play tapped and attacking, and then the life setting effect then triggers during the blocking phase, at which point Kaalia deals lethal. With ramp or greaves it's an easy turn 4 kill.
She'll be helping to drive angel/demon/dragon prices for a long time. Angels and dragons don't really need the help but demons were never anything special until she came around.
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I personally won't be getting any at that price point, just because of the limited upside. The card is the real deal though and I'd be willing to jump in at $15.
That's possible- it also just might be pent-up demand right now... there was such a tight lid on spoilers for so long that rather than having the month or so that past preorder seasons had had to shake out, this one is for the most part still barely a week in.
The wurm is neat and all but it is a four mana instant that can be dealt with by a measly unsummon. Now would your token ever get unsummoned? I do not know but the chance to try and populate the thing and get unsummoned in response is there. The instant speed does help though. At the very least edh token decks will love it so it might have some casual appeal in the long term.
zI find Ral just underwhelming. Sure tap their guy untap my guy is neat and all but how ar you going to abuse it is the question.