Hello and thank you for your interest in this amazing deck! For those of you unaware, Assault Loam is a general name referring to a deck that uses the card advantage engine of Life from the Loam with Seismic Assault to grind out wins. Since hitting the Modern scene with the deck Bronson Magnan piloted to first place in GP Lincoln, this deck has slowly lost its wide spread appeal but remains an extremely powerful deck. There has been some recent wind being blown back into the sails of this deck and there are a ton of different directions it can go in that all have their merits.
The Core: Life from the Loam – This is the reason the deck exists. Most of the rest of your deck benefits from having lands in hand. It is 2 mana for 3 cards that you can draw every turn. The bread to your butter. Seismic Assault – This is the real power house of the deck. It allows you to Shock at instant speed at the low, low cost of one land. It turns Loam into 6 damage spread as you see fit. The butter to your bread. Faithless Looting – This effect needs to be in this deck. It allows you to sculpt your hand and your graveyard. You’ll be operating out of your graveyard multiple times throughout a game and Looting gives you pure value on the cheap. Lands – Lots of them. You need them to win games. The general consensus is a minimum of 25 up to 28. I have had the most success with 25 but 26 is a common number. Fetches are important for getting your colors on curve and combo with Loam for added value of playing them multiple times. Man lands and Ghost Quarter/Tectonic Edge are also much more valuable with Loam in the mix. However, there are exceptions to this trend. Several newer lists are running around 20-22 lands with more emphasis on playing out more like an aggro deck rather than a mid-range or control deck.
The Synergy: Tarmogoyf – I’d hope this isn’t a surprise. You are a graveyard based deck that is actively milling itself and runs everything to power him up. These guys get big and fast. There are successful lists that don’t use him, so don’t worry if you haven’t yet paid out for these dudes but keep in mind that they are a great benefit to your deck. Flame Jab – This card operates as a less efficient Assault but is still valuable if you do accidentally mill it. With Young Pyromancer now in print, retracing this card nets you a 1/1 elemental as well as pinging. Upping its value even more in this deck.
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The Archetypes:
In order to continue we need to have a quick chat about the archetype you want to play. The main portion of the deck is Green and Red but the addition of other colors adds a significant amount of support to the Core. The most popular version of deck by far is Jund (the addition of Black) which also comes with its own sub-archetypes. Personally, I run a RUG version and Naya is also applicable. If you are concerned with previous tournament success, then focus on the Jund builds. They are extremely solid and well tested. If you want something more rogue, we have you covered. Let’s talk about the cards to look at for the different variants.
This is the traditional archetype. If you want a tournament tried deck, this is it. Raven’s Crime – This innocuous little card is probably the strongest reason to play Black. You turn your unused lands into hand hate and can severely cripple many decks before they do anything proactive while you sculpt your board. Thoughtseize/Inquisition of Kozilek – One mana targeted discard. IoK is probably a better choice because we do a good job of killing ourselves and aggro is a thing. Either way, pulling key cards can destroy an opponent’s game. Definitely good. Dark Confidant – Bob is a really good card. No denying that. This deck curves out at 3, so you’ll never be doing more than bolting yourself. Not to mention almost half of your deck is land. Free cards are good cards. Liliana of the Veil – She is one of the strongest cards in Modern right now. You get to break the equal discard by making use of your graveyard. Not much more to say about her that isn’t obvious.
This style deck has the most recent tournament success in the hands of Jaberwoki on MODO. Smallpox – This is a big part of what makes this archetype good. Turn 2 this can blast your opponent out of a game by killing off a dork and their land. You take a very small hit from this as you operate on few lands, run no creatures, and discarding Raven’s Crime or lands doesn’t hurt you. Desperate Ravings – The deck splashes a bit of Blue for the flashback here but it is instant speed draw and along the same lines as Faithless Looting, you aren’t hurt by the discarding. It is almost entirely value.
This deck 4-0’d a Daily event on MODO recently. It tries to abuse the new card Young Pyromancer with your Flame Jabs and Life from the Loams. This is a new build and I’m not terribly familiar with it, it looks solid and put up results. I’d say it is worth looking into but I haven’t seen or heard anything else about it. Young Pyromancer – Another engine for the deck. You play him, cast spells, make dudes, win games. Delver of Secrets – With 25 spells, he becomes a decent early tempo player. Lightning Bolt – Keeps the board clear and is a generally good card.
This is my personal brew with no major tournament standings but giving you options is good. Haha. Snapcaster Mage – You mill a ton of cards and getting extra value out of burn or counter spells is solid. Especially on a 2/1 body with Flash. Deprive – With an Assault in play this is Counterspell + Shock. Against combo decks, it is awesome having a hard counter. Izzet Charm – The deck’s Faithless Looting. It costs more but gives you instant speed and options. I’ve used every mode on this and it has done a ton of work. Jace Beleren – He gives you free Dredges allowing for more damage output per turn as well as digging for more cards. He’s no Bob but he is solid.
This has been the most recent version of the deck to surface and has been the topic of much discussion in this thread. Young Pyromancer - The reason for most of the deck's choices. If he sticks around, everything else in the deck affords you insane value. Quickly becoming a key card for the deck. Knight of the Reliquary - She lets you tutor for lands, has synergy with our self mill and is a huge beater for the low cost of 1WG. She does everything and does it well. Lingering Souls - Gives us blockers in the air and also has fantastic synergy with Young Pyromancer. 6 guys for 5 mana? Sign me up!
A recent new development in the MTGO modern arena. This deck looks for more consistency in a two color mana base and a more linear strategy in aggressive creatures. Kird Ape - A tried and true aggro beater. With Stomping Ground, this guys is a healthy 2/3 for 1 and brings the beats quickly. Countryside Crusher - Once you've hit your 3 lands, he will keep you drawing gas. Which is exactly what an aggro deck wants. Plus, he will be getting bigger the deeper he digs and while your finisher of Assault/Loam does its thing. One of the few places he works well.
This was a semi-popular endeavor for awhile in the threads on this site. It looks to use the reanimating power of Unburial Rites with self mill and Borborygmos Enraged acting as a pseudo-Assault on top of other spicy fatties. Unburial Rites – Powers the whole deck strategy. Operating out of the graveyard with Flashback lets you mill yourself with reckless abandon. Dropping fatties into play for 4 mana is a sweet deal. Lingering Souls – Gets you to casting your Rites and synergizes with the self mill aspect of the deck. Borborygmos Enraged, Elesh Norn, Iona, Shield of Emeria – A small sample of potential reanimation targets.
There has been very little discussion about this archetype and I have only seen some rough drafts of decks. White has a ton of good cards though and there is potential here but GB is the current trend of Modern. Knight of the Reliquary – A huge reason to run white, it combos well with lands in the graveyard and opens up the option of utility lands. The biggest weakness of Knight is that there aren’t a ton of good utility lands in Modern. Path to Exile – Being able to cheaply off one of your opponent’s threats is exactly what this deck needs to push through damage with Goyfs and other guys. Ajani Vengeant – One of the popular planeswalkers in Modern right now. I’m sure he’d find a spot here. Especially in a control oriented list.
These cards have synergy with the deck or were previously played but don’t show up much anymore. Worm Harvest – Retrace on a wincon. Pumping out a bunch of 1/1s every turn is definitely good. It is usually run as a 1-of but with cards like Scavenging Ooze and Rest in Peace seeing a fair amount of play it has the potential to not go off. Five mana is also a significant investment of a turn for something that may not win you the game. Countryside Crusher – This has been dropped from most lists despite its apparent synergy in the deck. It competes at the three slot with Assault and is often times a clunky piece. While it can be very good, the times where it is mediocre offset the upside. Horizon Canopy – This is still a fine card and lets you draw at instant speed. It will effectively be a Forest for you but being able to Dredge Loam at instant speed in response to a Surgical Extraction is definitely not bad. Abrupt Decay/Maelstrom Pulse – Jund lists can definitely choose to run these types of cards. They are very strong effects but most lists are very tight getting all of the bits and pieces together to assemble and synergize with Loam. These generally don’t make the cut but are still potential options.
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The Decklists:
Let’s move on to some decklists to help you focus these general ideas.
Please note the above deck list is about two years old. Not much has become obsolete but be aware of this, especially in terms of sideboarding.
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Here is a more current version that took 1st in a Modern event on MTGO on Nov. 21st, 2013 [Please note that this list contains the now banned Deathrite Shaman]
The Strategy:
So now you’ve seen the cards and the lists but you’re probably curious how you play the deck. This is simple but complex at the same time. The goal is always to assemble your Core of Loam and Assault. That is the most broken thing you can be doing. Getting to that point depends on your build. Jund variants are going to rely on discard and Looting to slow down the opponent and sculpt your hand. You’ll use Goyf to hold the board while Bob draws you cards and pulls you ahead. More aggressive builds will play guys and get in for damage to allow Assault to come in and give you reach to finish off opponents. Control lists (Creatureless or RUG) will seek to remove threats and disrupt the opponent’s plays while assembling the Core. Once assembled, you will almost always be Dredging Life from the Loam every turn to gain control of the board or finish off your opponent. As always though, board states will dictate whether you Dredge or not.
The Match Ups:Under Construction
Match ups are heavily dependent on your build. For example, Jund has Liliana as an available source of sacrifice effects where as RUG only has targeted removal. So Slippery Bogel decks are not as difficult for Jund variants but more difficult for RUG. I’ll work on developing this section for different archetypes but I’ll likely need assistance from other pilots to get information on their deck’s match ups. This is beyond the scope of what I can do by myself. Haha. Expect more from this section in the future.
UPDATE: I figure most people will want to know about the match ups with the "boogeymen" decks of the format. So I got a list of them going for each of the archetypes listed in the primer. I'm thinking getting at least a simple Easy/Medium/Difficult scale for each match up would be a good starting point. Any further tips or tricks for the match up can be added later on.
Credit: Rawbean BGx/Jund:Difficult
Maindeck graveyard hate in Deathrite Shaman and Scavenging Ooze is annoying, but those die quite easily (compared to Tarmogoyf). Discard spells are important so you can deploy Assault without worrying about Maelstrom Pulse or Abrupt Decay. What makes this match hard is the fact that the Jund player can handle all the win conditions. They can deny you of your Seismic Assault with either removal or discard and kill of manlands and Bloodghast in order to exile them from your graveyard so they can't come back.
Twin Combo:Medium
Discard spells are really important since they can deploy their wincon in endstep and all sorcery speed removal becomes useless. Keeping up instant removal like Abrupt Decay is nice if you don't have a turn three Assault with two lands in hand for Deciever Exarch.
GR Tron:Medium
Ghost quarter is extremely necessary since a resolved Karn Liberated or Wurmcoil Engine is really hard to deal with. Smallpox is also nice even if they don't play many creatures, it gets worse in the second game though since they can easily play around it. You have to be aggressive while at the same time denying them their lands, which makes Bloodghast a star in this matchup.
UWR Control:Easy
This matchup makes a very slow game since you don't wanna throw assault into a counterspell. There is no need to be hasty and take damage from your lands since they can Lightning Bolt you down if you're not careful. Ravens Criming their hand is fun and most games are won with manlands and Bloodghast.
Melira Pod:Easy
Since they play a lot of creatures and we play a lot of removal this becomes winnable. Smallpox is really good, especially on the play since it can take away a lone manadude which essentially slow them down by two turns. It's important to be familiar with all the combos in the pod-decks so you know what to kill off first. A tip for new players is to kill all random creatures which doesn't look dangerous, like Melira, Sylvok Outcast and Spike Feeder.
Scapeshift:Difficult
Since they don't need creatures to win, this mathcup becomes quite difficult. It really comes down to a race of who can assemble their combo first.
Affinity:Easy Flame Jab does a ton of work and maindeck Pyroclasm is great too. Ghost Quarter takes care of the nexus lands. The deck has tools to manage affinity without assault but if you do get it it's pretty much game.
Burn:Medium
A fairly winnable matchup since they easy run out of gas if you discard the hand for them. Our deck doesn't have lifegain in maindeck so it's important to be careful with fetches and shocklands.
Credit: Capt. Nick BGx/Jund:Medium - These games get really grindy. Killing off Deathrites is a necessary evil but are generally not too difficult to play around. Hitting Loam breaks the generally grindy one-for-ones that both decks play.
Twin Combo:Medium - We have the tools to interact with them on their turf. Counterspells are huge here. Getting Assault active is game over for them but getting there can be tricky. Tight play and not getting greedy should keep this in our favor but there are plenty of areas to make mistakes.
GR Tron:Easy - They spend most of their game assembling the lands and have a limited number of bombs. Depriving Karn and Wurmcoil is usually enough to slow them down. Plus, 3 MB Ghost Quarter with Loam is rather unfair against them.
UWR Control:Medium - Another grindy one-for-oneing type of game. Being able to counter their counters/card advantage is pretty big. This comes down to who has tighter play. Life totals aren't huge here and you want to be the aggressor. So Fetch-Shock and force them to use their spells. They're a bit more favored to win longer games.
Melira Pod:Medium - I've only played this a couple times and it came down to who hit their pieces first. Luckily we have two to their three. Kill key bits when you can but getting Assault active is a priority.
Scapeshift:Difficult - They go off at 8 mana, which is enough to Scapeshift with Counterspell back up. We can generally only counter one spell a turn. So it makes it difficult to keep them from going off. Swan Song may be necessary as a cheap additional counter.
Affinity:Easy - Small creatures for our small removal. Keeping their creatures off of Plating is easy enough.
Burn:Difficult - Our deck does a fair bit of damage to itself and no way to gain life. The best bet is just limiting your damage and make sure to horde counters for those last few points of burn.
The Sideboard:
Like most of these sections, this is heavily dependent on your build. These are some common general purpose sideboard cards that appear in most lists. Ancient Grudge – Affinity is a popular deck and having some extra removal against them can be extremely useful. Especially against lists running Master of Etherium. Dismember – Splinter Twin combo is another popular deck and there isn’t much that can be done against a turn 3 Deceiver Exarch into Twin. Dismember helps here as well as being a generally good catch-all type of card. Engineered Explosives – This hits Bogle decks hard and has uses in other match ups as well. Spellskite – Another card that is useful against Twin combo but also make Burn a more manageable match up, especially if you are running Blue. Jund Charm – Charms are usually pretty good and this one is no exception. It provides a lot of utility but is slightly too specific to main board usually. Though the match ups that it is good against, it is really good. Obstinate Baloth – Another good card against Burn and has decent value against the GBx decks running Liliana of the Veil. Also, its 4/4 body is particularly difficult for most decks to deal with. Ghost Quarter – Most decks run at least one of these main board. Tron is a real deck and being able to go up to 3 or 4 of these post-board allows us to keep them off of their lands more consistently. Pyroclasm/Volcanic Fallout – A general good effect. It deals with Geist of Saint Traft as well as hitting Token style decks and other aggro decks hard. If Faeries is a thing in your meta, Fallout is probably a better choice. Thrun, the Last Troll – UWR Control is very popular right now and Thrun is an incredibly difficult card for them to deal with. He may be a bit slow but there isn’t anything they can do about him.
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Note: This is my first primer and is by no means complete. Feel free to comment about features to add or anything I may have missed. I tried to be detailed and thorough but I'm sure I left things out. Thanks again for your interest in the deck!
One question I have is about the role of Faithless Looting in this deck. Is it really worth the card disadvantage? I'm not sure if this deck should be played in such combo style. Perhaps replacing that card with Countryside Crusher would give this deck a much needed push towards the aggro direction. Thoughts?
One question I have is about the role of Faithless Looting in this deck. Is it really worth the card disadvantage? I'm not sure if this deck should be played in such combo style. Perhaps replacing that card with Countryside Crusher would give this deck a much needed push towards the aggro direction. Thoughts?
FL is exactly the card you WANT in this deck. LSV even talks about it in his video; Countryside Crusher doesn't really do anything except be a different win condition that is typically irrelevant most of the time; What this deck wants to do is Shock the opponent to the face with 6 lands and a loam in hand.
With Faithless Looting you can pitch land, LftL, Raven's Crime, and Flame Jab into the yard; that creates zero Card Disadvantage on your part and the itself can really be read as, "Draw 2 and set up your Graveyard".
If you want an 'aggro' style deck; you should replace black with white, imo; Then you'd have CCC, BBE, Goyf, KOTR, and like Noble Hierarch? And then simply have LftL/Flame Jab/Assault as your support. But the black version really is just worried with neutralizing the opponent until you can blow them up for 12-20 in one turn for game.
FL is exactly the card you WANT in this deck. LSV even talks about it in his video; Countryside Crusher doesn't really do anything except be a different win condition that is typically irrelevant most of the time; What this deck wants to do is Shock the opponent to the face with 6 lands and a loam in hand.
With Faithless Looting you can pitch land, LftL, Raven's Crime, and Flame Jab into the yard; that creates zero Card Disadvantage on your part and the itself can really be read as, "Draw 2 and set up your Graveyard".
If you want an 'aggro' style deck; you should replace black with white, imo; Then you'd have CCC, BBE, Goyf, KOTR, and like Noble Hierarch? And then simply have LftL/Flame Jab/Assault as your support. But the black version really is just worried with neutralizing the opponent until you can blow them up for 12-20 in one turn for game.
So, what you're calling the black version is essentially a combo deck? I'm currently messing around with LSV's deck on Cockatrice and I can't decide whether it should be played as a combo deck or as something else.
So, what you're calling the black version is essentially a combo deck? I'm currently messing around with LSV's deck on Cockatrice and I can't decide whether it should be played as a combo deck or as something else.
It's essentially a midrange deck that grinds the opponent down until you're in a position to 'go off'. There's a lot of interaction with the opponent in this deck.
(did you watch the matches that LSV plays with the deck? He's pretty informative and plays the deck fairly well in most of the games. And even talks about card choices and how they stack up. I browse with Adblocker and it 'bleeps' the video player out so, you may have missed it, is why i ask)
That is the already started thread for this topic. It wasn't exactly hard to find.
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What is this deck supposed to do against graveyard hate? I can't see any strategies. Any ideas?
It looks like this deck just has to fold to the black leyline.
That is the already started thread for this topic. It wasn't exactly hard to find.
I actually saw that thread. I saw the first page and concluded that it was a thread that should have been archived due to the decklists being outdated by bannings. Didn't notice that the discussion was still active, thanks for pointing it out.
What is this deck supposed to do against graveyard hate? I can't see any strategies. Any ideas?
It looks like this deck just has to fold to the black leyline.
I actually saw that thread. I saw the first page and concluded that it was a thread that should have been archived due to the decklists being outdated by bannings. Didn't notice that the discussion was still active, thanks for pointing it out.
You have maelstrom pulse to answer black leyline; and I mean, you have IoK or Thoughtseize and Raven's Crime to kinda strip their hand (Oh and Lilianna). Also the hate most people prefer has been Relic of Progenitus, which doesn't really do enough. Sure you got rid of one LftL, but what you did with that one LftL was probably pretty darn good. And out of the board you have Ancient Grudge for that if they just throw it out there. And even then, once you've been able to Loam just once, you've essentially played an 'Ancestral Visions,' and they merely took away the ability to play more.
And Bob / Faithless Looting will keep you in the game long enough to grab an answer. And if worse comes to worse; getting in there with Bobs and Goyfs while Lili and Targetted removal keep the ground clear isn't such a bad strategy. This deck can really grind opponents down.
One thing that's been bugging me recently: how do you know when to dredge vs. when to draw? Here's what I've been doing:
1. If I don't have Loam in my grave, I draw obviously!
2. If I have Seismic Assault in my hand or on the board I always dredge.
3. If I have Eternal Witness in my hand and I'm still looking for Seismic Assault, then I dredge.
4. If I don't have Eternal Witness or Seismic Assault in my hand then, only under these circumstances, I will draw rather than dredge.
Is this an appropriate way to play the deck?
My justification for #3 is that if I'm searching for Seismic Assault then dredging is a faster way to search than drawing because I open three cards per turn rather than one.
One thing that's been bugging me recently: how do you know when to dredge vs. when to draw? Here's what I've been doing:
1. If I don't have Loam in my grave, I draw obviously!
2. If I have Seismic Assault in my hand or on the board I always dredge.
3. If I have Eternal Witness in my hand and I'm still looking for Seismic Assault, then I dredge.
4. If I don't have Eternal Witness or Seismic Assault in my hand then, only under these circumstances, I will draw rather than dredge.
Is this an appropriate way to play the deck?
My justification for #3 is that if I'm searching for Seismic Assault then dredging is a faster way to search than drawing because I open three cards per turn rather than one.
In case I didn't tell you, I don't care about your opinion I just want your facts. And not the facts that make you seem smart. I want the ones that are actual facts.
I had several requests to archive the old thread, so I did so. There IS a lot of good information on how to play the deck, but people are confused because the OP hasn't updated the primer in 9 months.
Here is the old archived thread if anyone wants to copy out their new posts and add them to the discussion.
Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
Ok, I promise you that I read through the other thread entirely and I couldn't find the answer to the questions that I'm asking. At any rate, that other thread has now been closed, so I think this is now the place to ask and get these questions answered.
One thing that's been bugging me recently: how do you know when to dredge vs. when to draw? Here's what I've been doing:
1. If I don't have Loam in my grave, I draw obviously!
2. If I have Seismic Assault in my hand or on the board I always dredge.
3. If I have Eternal Witness in my hand and I'm still looking for Seismic Assault, then I dredge.
4. If I don't have Eternal Witness or Seismic Assault in my hand then, only under these circumstances, I will draw rather than dredge.
Is this an appropriate way to play the deck?
My justification for #3 is that if I'm searching for Seismic Assault then dredging is a faster way to search than drawing because I open three cards per turn rather than one.
Also, another thing I'm wondering is if there is any way to return Seismic Assault to your hand from the graveyard (like Eternal Witness). That way, once you have Loam in the grave, you can just keep dredging till you find Assault.
Scenario #4 depends on the board state, normally you will just want to wreck their hand and board with Jabs and Crimes instead of trying to find Assault.
Of course. The way I see it, one has to play this deck in two stages. The first stage consists of board control; in this stage you have to try to discard your opponent's hand and / or kill his creatures. For this you need Raven's Crime and Flame Jab or Seismic Assault.
However, once you have things under control and it's time to draw the Seismic Assault ftw... that's the stage at which my question comes up: dredge or draw?
Of course. The way I see it, one has to play this deck in two stages. The first stage consists of board control; in this stage you have to try to discard your opponent's hand and / or kill his creatures. For this you need Raven's Crime and Flame Jab or Seismic Assault.
However, once you have things under control and it's time to draw the Seismic Assault ftw... that's the stage at which my question comes up: dredge or draw?
The issue with your question is that it is very game state dependent. It also varies wildly match-up to match-up.
Early game you want to have an active Raven's Crime against Tron. Conversely this plan would be terribly useless versus Affinity.
I think as a general rule of thumb you wait to use Life from the Loam until you know what it is you are facing. Dredging away versus an opponent with black mana sources is just asking to have your Loam extracted. Versus Affinity you would wan't to dredge pretty hard in order to get both Jab and Grudge into your yard, as Affinity plays little grave hate game 1. Game 2 you would want to naturally draw a grudge in order to deal with any Cages they might have. Also is you suspect someone is going to use Grafdiggers Cage versus you you want to have a Seismic Assault as your weapon of choice. Cage has no effect on the dredge trigger. Basically what I am getting at in my rambles is that you will never be able to say in x situation I will need to do this. Only with play testing versus each archetype will you gain the knowledge needed to make these decisions.
So if you really need a general rule of Dredge, go as follows.
Versus Aggro: Stick a Assault or Flame Jab and get to dredging fast.
Versus Control/Combo: Raven's Crime + Loam.
Versus known Extraction player: Be as careful with your key spells as possible. Try to hit the Extraction effects with discard. Don't be afraid to use KotR to Bojuko Bog your own grave in response to a Extraction.
Turn zero Leyline is just about game over. Not sure what happens there. Depends on your build. Don't be surprised if you see this card more often with the rise of Dredge.
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(how it differs from LSV's list)
Notable changes; 4 Faithless Looting 4 Seismic Assault ; opposed to 3 each.
She also runs Horizon Canopy; Which is an amazing addition imo; for the sole purpose of IT SAVES YOUR LOAM FROM EXTRACTION. It's also a semi-decent draw engine if you happen to no have faithless looting but you do have Loam online.
The SB also swaps out Clasms for Jund Charm; which is nice, because JC is instant and does provide some Graveyard hate (Toolbox SB cards are nice).
I've recently included 3x Noxious Revival in this deck and it's been working out really well for me. I think it's better than Eternal Witness in this deck. Any thoughts?
Also, I've been reading a little about the Legacy version of this deck and I discovered that Chalice of the Void is a staple card of this deck (always 4x Maindeck). Why isn't this card used in Modern versions of the deck? Do you think it could be useful?
LedZeppelin -- Congratulations on your top8 performance. Your list looks good but the changes you have in mind sound even better. I think noxious revival is a great way to go. Do post your updated deck list once you decide on your changes and stuff.
One question I have is about the role of Faithless Looting in this deck. Is it really worth the card disadvantage? I'm not sure if this deck should be played in such combo style. Perhaps replacing that card with Countryside Crusher would give this deck a much needed push towards the aggro direction. Thoughts?
If you want to make it Aggro-loam, then go with 4 Birds of Paradise, 4 Countryside Crusher, 4 Knight of the Reliquary, 4 Qasali Pridemage, 4 Tarmogoyf and 4 Lightning Bolt + Assault & Loam. Then you've got a fast clock.
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If you want to make it Aggro-loam, then go with 4 Birds of Paradise, 4 Countryside Crusher, 4 Knight of the Reliquary, 4 Qasali Pridemage, 4 Tarmogoyf and 4 Lightning Bolt + Assault & Loam. Then you've got a fast clock.
Hey, yeah, thanks for the tip. I have since done some reading up on this archetype and have come to the same conclusion. It seems that there are two basic variants of Assault Loam - one is a WRG aggro strategy like the one you outlined (KotR, etc.) and the other is a BRG control strategy like the one outlined in this thread (and primer). I'd like to stick with the BRG control strategy for now because I'm not really a fan of the aggro decks.
But I should also point out that what you're saying is not entirely true. Because Bronson Magnon's GP list is actually somewhere between the control and the aggro strategies (actually it leans much closer towards control in BRG) but this list still runs Countryside Crusher. So, I guess not every Loam deck running Countryside Crusher wants to completely switch over to the aggro-beatdown route.
Anywho, for the moment, I agree with you and I'm not running Countryside Crusher in my BRG list because I prefer to play control.
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Hello and thank you for your interest in this amazing deck! For those of you unaware, Assault Loam is a general name referring to a deck that uses the card advantage engine of Life from the Loam with Seismic Assault to grind out wins. Since hitting the Modern scene with the deck Bronson Magnan piloted to first place in GP Lincoln, this deck has slowly lost its wide spread appeal but remains an extremely powerful deck. There has been some recent wind being blown back into the sails of this deck and there are a ton of different directions it can go in that all have their merits.
The Core:
Life from the Loam – This is the reason the deck exists. Most of the rest of your deck benefits from having lands in hand. It is 2 mana for 3 cards that you can draw every turn. The bread to your butter.
Seismic Assault – This is the real power house of the deck. It allows you to Shock at instant speed at the low, low cost of one land. It turns Loam into 6 damage spread as you see fit. The butter to your bread.
Faithless Looting – This effect needs to be in this deck. It allows you to sculpt your hand and your graveyard. You’ll be operating out of your graveyard multiple times throughout a game and Looting gives you pure value on the cheap.
Lands – Lots of them. You need them to win games. The general consensus is a minimum of 25 up to 28. I have had the most success with 25 but 26 is a common number. Fetches are important for getting your colors on curve and combo with Loam for added value of playing them multiple times. Man lands and Ghost Quarter/Tectonic Edge are also much more valuable with Loam in the mix. However, there are exceptions to this trend. Several newer lists are running around 20-22 lands with more emphasis on playing out more like an aggro deck rather than a mid-range or control deck.
The Synergy:
Tarmogoyf – I’d hope this isn’t a surprise. You are a graveyard based deck that is actively milling itself and runs everything to power him up. These guys get big and fast. There are successful lists that don’t use him, so don’t worry if you haven’t yet paid out for these dudes but keep in mind that they are a great benefit to your deck.
Flame Jab – This card operates as a less efficient Assault but is still valuable if you do accidentally mill it. With Young Pyromancer now in print, retracing this card nets you a 1/1 elemental as well as pinging. Upping its value even more in this deck.
The Archetypes:
In order to continue we need to have a quick chat about the archetype you want to play. The main portion of the deck is Green and Red but the addition of other colors adds a significant amount of support to the Core. The most popular version of deck by far is Jund (the addition of Black) which also comes with its own sub-archetypes. Personally, I run a RUG version and Naya is also applicable. If you are concerned with previous tournament success, then focus on the Jund builds. They are extremely solid and well tested. If you want something more rogue, we have you covered. Let’s talk about the cards to look at for the different variants.
Raven’s Crime – This innocuous little card is probably the strongest reason to play Black. You turn your unused lands into hand hate and can severely cripple many decks before they do anything proactive while you sculpt your board.
Thoughtseize/Inquisition of Kozilek – One mana targeted discard. IoK is probably a better choice because we do a good job of killing ourselves and aggro is a thing. Either way, pulling key cards can destroy an opponent’s game. Definitely good.
Dark Confidant – Bob is a really good card. No denying that. This deck curves out at 3, so you’ll never be doing more than bolting yourself. Not to mention almost half of your deck is land. Free cards are good cards.
Liliana of the Veil – She is one of the strongest cards in Modern right now. You get to break the equal discard by making use of your graveyard. Not much more to say about her that isn’t obvious.
This style deck has the most recent tournament success in the hands of Jaberwoki on MODO.
Smallpox – This is a big part of what makes this archetype good. Turn 2 this can blast your opponent out of a game by killing off a dork and their land. You take a very small hit from this as you operate on few lands, run no creatures, and discarding Raven’s Crime or lands doesn’t hurt you.
Desperate Ravings – The deck splashes a bit of Blue for the flashback here but it is instant speed draw and along the same lines as Faithless Looting, you aren’t hurt by the discarding. It is almost entirely value.
This deck 4-0’d a Daily event on MODO recently. It tries to abuse the new card Young Pyromancer with your Flame Jabs and Life from the Loams. This is a new build and I’m not terribly familiar with it, it looks solid and put up results. I’d say it is worth looking into but I haven’t seen or heard anything else about it.
Young Pyromancer – Another engine for the deck. You play him, cast spells, make dudes, win games.
Delver of Secrets – With 25 spells, he becomes a decent early tempo player.
Lightning Bolt – Keeps the board clear and is a generally good card.
This is my personal brew with no major tournament standings but giving you options is good. Haha.
Snapcaster Mage – You mill a ton of cards and getting extra value out of burn or counter spells is solid. Especially on a 2/1 body with Flash.
Deprive – With an Assault in play this is Counterspell + Shock. Against combo decks, it is awesome having a hard counter.
Izzet Charm – The deck’s Faithless Looting. It costs more but gives you instant speed and options. I’ve used every mode on this and it has done a ton of work.
Jace Beleren – He gives you free Dredges allowing for more damage output per turn as well as digging for more cards. He’s no Bob but he is solid.
This has been the most recent version of the deck to surface and has been the topic of much discussion in this thread.
Young Pyromancer - The reason for most of the deck's choices. If he sticks around, everything else in the deck affords you insane value. Quickly becoming a key card for the deck.
Knight of the Reliquary - She lets you tutor for lands, has synergy with our self mill and is a huge beater for the low cost of 1WG. She does everything and does it well.
Lingering Souls - Gives us blockers in the air and also has fantastic synergy with Young Pyromancer. 6 guys for 5 mana? Sign me up!
A recent new development in the MTGO modern arena. This deck looks for more consistency in a two color mana base and a more linear strategy in aggressive creatures.
Kird Ape - A tried and true aggro beater. With Stomping Ground, this guys is a healthy 2/3 for 1 and brings the beats quickly.
Countryside Crusher - Once you've hit your 3 lands, he will keep you drawing gas. Which is exactly what an aggro deck wants. Plus, he will be getting bigger the deeper he digs and while your finisher of Assault/Loam does its thing. One of the few places he works well.
This was a semi-popular endeavor for awhile in the threads on this site. It looks to use the reanimating power of Unburial Rites with self mill and Borborygmos Enraged acting as a pseudo-Assault on top of other spicy fatties.
Unburial Rites – Powers the whole deck strategy. Operating out of the graveyard with Flashback lets you mill yourself with reckless abandon. Dropping fatties into play for 4 mana is a sweet deal.
Lingering Souls – Gets you to casting your Rites and synergizes with the self mill aspect of the deck.
Borborygmos Enraged, Elesh Norn, Iona, Shield of Emeria – A small sample of potential reanimation targets.
There has been very little discussion about this archetype and I have only seen some rough drafts of decks. White has a ton of good cards though and there is potential here but GB is the current trend of Modern.
Knight of the Reliquary – A huge reason to run white, it combos well with lands in the graveyard and opens up the option of utility lands. The biggest weakness of Knight is that there aren’t a ton of good utility lands in Modern.
Path to Exile – Being able to cheaply off one of your opponent’s threats is exactly what this deck needs to push through damage with Goyfs and other guys.
Ajani Vengeant – One of the popular planeswalkers in Modern right now. I’m sure he’d find a spot here. Especially in a control oriented list.
These cards have synergy with the deck or were previously played but don’t show up much anymore.
Worm Harvest – Retrace on a wincon. Pumping out a bunch of 1/1s every turn is definitely good. It is usually run as a 1-of but with cards like Scavenging Ooze and Rest in Peace seeing a fair amount of play it has the potential to not go off. Five mana is also a significant investment of a turn for something that may not win you the game.
Countryside Crusher – This has been dropped from most lists despite its apparent synergy in the deck. It competes at the three slot with Assault and is often times a clunky piece. While it can be very good, the times where it is mediocre offset the upside.
Horizon Canopy – This is still a fine card and lets you draw at instant speed. It will effectively be a Forest for you but being able to Dredge Loam at instant speed in response to a Surgical Extraction is definitely not bad.
Abrupt Decay/Maelstrom Pulse – Jund lists can definitely choose to run these types of cards. They are very strong effects but most lists are very tight getting all of the bits and pieces together to assemble and synergize with Loam. These generally don’t make the cut but are still potential options.
The Decklists:
Let’s move on to some decklists to help you focus these general ideas.
4 Countryside Crusher
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
Spells: 20
3 Flame Jab
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Life from the Loam
4 Raven’s Crime
3 Seismic Assault
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands: 28
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Twilight Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Ancient Grudge
2 Darkblast
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Jund Charm
2 Nature's Claim
3 Obstinate Baloth
1 Pyroclasm
2 Torpor Orb
Please note the above deck list is about two years old. Not much has become obsolete but be aware of this, especially in terms of sideboarding.
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Here is a more current version that took 1st in a Modern event on MTGO on Nov. 21st, 2013
[Please note that this list contains the now banned Deathrite Shaman]
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blood Crypt
2 Arid Mesa
2 Stomping Ground
1 Treetop Village
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Forest
1 Graven Cairns
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Raging Ravine
1 Swamp
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Young Pyromancer
SPELLS: 27
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Faithless Looting
4 Life from the Loam
3 Thoughtseize
3 Flame Jab
3 Raven's Crime
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Seismic Assault
3 Ancient Grudge
2 Batterskull
2 Dismember
3 Ghost Quarter
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Sowing Salt
2 Surgical Extraction
source: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=6089&d=235216
4 Smallpox
4 Life from the Loam
4 Faithless Looting
3 Desperate Ravings
3 Raven’s Crime
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Flame Jab
2 Pyroclasm
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Seismic Assault
Lands: 28
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Graven Cairns
2 Stomping Ground
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Raging Ravine
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Mountain
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Swamp
1 Blood Crypt
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Watery Grave
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Batterskull
3 Dragon’s Claw
3 Witchbane Orb
2 Thoughtseize
Link: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5041&d=229077
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
Spells: 28
4 Life from the Loam
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Flame Jab
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Serum Visions
3 Faithless Looting
2 Electrolyze
3 Seismic Assault
4 Arid Mesa
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Steam Vents
2 Breeding Pool
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Mountain
1 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Gut Shot
2 Negate
3 Dismember
3 Ancient Grudge
2 Threads of Disloyalty
Link: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5677&d=232931
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Snapcaster Mage
Spells: 25
2 Spell Pierce
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Faithless Looting
3 Izzet Charm
3 Deprive
4 Life from the Loam
4 Seismic Assault
Lands: 25
2 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Breeding Pool
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Copperline Gorge
1 Raging Ravine
2 Cascade Bluffs
3 Ghost Quarter
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Deprive
1 Back to Nature
2 Nature's Claim
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Spellskite
2 Dismember
Shameless peddling of my deck that has taken me to several first place finishes at local tournaments.
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Knight of the Reliquary
Spells: 25
4 Faithless Looting
1 Flame Jab
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Raven's Crime
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Life from the Loam
4 Lingering Souls
3 Seismic Assault
Lands: 27
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Graven Cairns
2 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Treetop Village
1 Raging Ravine
1 Horizon Canopy
2 Blood Crypt
1 Godless Shrine
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Plains
4 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Ray of Revelation
2 Thoughtseize
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Stony Silence
4 Faithless Looting
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Raven's Crime
1 Flame Jab
3 Smallpox
4 Life From The Loam
4 Lingering Souls
instants: 4
4 Abrupt Decay
enchantments: 3
3 Seismic Assault
creatures: 4
4 Young Pyromancer
artifacts: 2
2 Engineered Explosives
lands: 25
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Arid Mesa
2 Graven Cairns
2 Stomping Ground
1 Blood Crypt
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Godless Shrine
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Horizon Canopy
2 Raging Ravine
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Duress
3 Anger Of The Gods
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Pithing Needle
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Gavony Township
Both of these decks are current developments here in the thread.
3 Stomping Ground
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Tectonic Edge
2 Copperline Gorge
2 Raging Ravine
2 Rootbound Crag
2 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Kird Ape
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Countryside Crusher
1 Rakdos Cackler
SPELLS: 22
4 Faithless Looting
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Life from the Loam
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Flame Jab
3 Seismic Assault
2 Torpor Orb
2 Pillar of Flame
3 Molten Rain
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Combust
2 Creeping Corrosion
2 Obstinate Baloth
source: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=5835&d=233906
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Marsh Flats
2 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Temple Garden
1 Godless Shrine
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Urborgh, Tomb of the Yawgmoth
1 Raging Ravine
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
2 Graven Cairns
3 Blackcleave Cliff
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
2 Sun Titan
3 Boborygmos, the Enraged
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Eternal Witness
Spells: 28
2 Lilianna of the Veil
3 Seismic Assault
4 Life from the Loam
3 Flame Jab
3 Raven's Crime
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Darkblast
4 Unburial Rites
3 Lingering Souls
2 Mulch
2 Slaughter Games
2 Abrubt Decay
2 Obstinate Baloth
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Darkblast
1 Ravens Crime
1 Ray of Revelation
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Combust
1 Dismember
According to his post, took first at a local GPT in April 2013.
Most recent draft list posted by redflare
4 Arid mesa
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Stomping Ground
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Temple Garden
2 Copperline Gorge
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Kird Ape
4 Loam Lion
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Young Pyromancer
Other 22
4 Life from the Loam
3 Seismic Assault
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Flame Jab
4 Faithless Looting
3 Path to Exile
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Loxodon Smiter
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Pillar of Flame
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Revoke Existence
1 Stony Silence
The Strategy:
So now you’ve seen the cards and the lists but you’re probably curious how you play the deck. This is simple but complex at the same time. The goal is always to assemble your Core of Loam and Assault. That is the most broken thing you can be doing. Getting to that point depends on your build. Jund variants are going to rely on discard and Looting to slow down the opponent and sculpt your hand. You’ll use Goyf to hold the board while Bob draws you cards and pulls you ahead. More aggressive builds will play guys and get in for damage to allow Assault to come in and give you reach to finish off opponents. Control lists (Creatureless or RUG) will seek to remove threats and disrupt the opponent’s plays while assembling the Core. Once assembled, you will almost always be Dredging Life from the Loam every turn to gain control of the board or finish off your opponent. As always though, board states will dictate whether you Dredge or not.
The Match Ups: Under Construction
Match ups are heavily dependent on your build. For example, Jund has Liliana as an available source of sacrifice effects where as RUG only has targeted removal. So Slippery Bogel decks are not as difficult for Jund variants but more difficult for RUG. I’ll work on developing this section for different archetypes but I’ll likely need assistance from other pilots to get information on their deck’s match ups. This is beyond the scope of what I can do by myself. Haha. Expect more from this section in the future.
UPDATE: I figure most people will want to know about the match ups with the "boogeymen" decks of the format. So I got a list of them going for each of the archetypes listed in the primer. I'm thinking getting at least a simple Easy/Medium/Difficult scale for each match up would be a good starting point. Any further tips or tricks for the match up can be added later on.
BGx/Jund:
Twin Combo:
GR Tron:
UWR Control:
Melira Pod:
Scapeshift:
Affinity:
Burn:
Credit: Rawbean
BGx/Jund: Difficult
Maindeck graveyard hate in Deathrite Shaman and Scavenging Ooze is annoying, but those die quite easily (compared to Tarmogoyf). Discard spells are important so you can deploy Assault without worrying about Maelstrom Pulse or Abrupt Decay. What makes this match hard is the fact that the Jund player can handle all the win conditions. They can deny you of your Seismic Assault with either removal or discard and kill of manlands and Bloodghast in order to exile them from your graveyard so they can't come back.
Twin Combo: Medium
Discard spells are really important since they can deploy their wincon in endstep and all sorcery speed removal becomes useless. Keeping up instant removal like Abrupt Decay is nice if you don't have a turn three Assault with two lands in hand for Deciever Exarch.
GR Tron: Medium
Ghost quarter is extremely necessary since a resolved Karn Liberated or Wurmcoil Engine is really hard to deal with. Smallpox is also nice even if they don't play many creatures, it gets worse in the second game though since they can easily play around it. You have to be aggressive while at the same time denying them their lands, which makes Bloodghast a star in this matchup.
UWR Control:Easy
This matchup makes a very slow game since you don't wanna throw assault into a counterspell. There is no need to be hasty and take damage from your lands since they can Lightning Bolt you down if you're not careful. Ravens Criming their hand is fun and most games are won with manlands and Bloodghast.
Melira Pod: Easy
Since they play a lot of creatures and we play a lot of removal this becomes winnable. Smallpox is really good, especially on the play since it can take away a lone manadude which essentially slow them down by two turns. It's important to be familiar with all the combos in the pod-decks so you know what to kill off first. A tip for new players is to kill all random creatures which doesn't look dangerous, like Melira, Sylvok Outcast and Spike Feeder.
Scapeshift: Difficult
Since they don't need creatures to win, this mathcup becomes quite difficult. It really comes down to a race of who can assemble their combo first.
Affinity:Easy
Flame Jab does a ton of work and maindeck Pyroclasm is great too. Ghost Quarter takes care of the nexus lands. The deck has tools to manage affinity without assault but if you do get it it's pretty much game.
Burn: Medium
A fairly winnable matchup since they easy run out of gas if you discard the hand for them. Our deck doesn't have lifegain in maindeck so it's important to be careful with fetches and shocklands.
BGx/Jund:
Twin Combo:
GR Tron:
UWR Control:
Melira Pod:
Scapeshift:
Affinity:
Burn:
Credit: Capt. Nick
BGx/Jund: Medium - These games get really grindy. Killing off Deathrites is a necessary evil but are generally not too difficult to play around. Hitting Loam breaks the generally grindy one-for-ones that both decks play.
Twin Combo: Medium - We have the tools to interact with them on their turf. Counterspells are huge here. Getting Assault active is game over for them but getting there can be tricky. Tight play and not getting greedy should keep this in our favor but there are plenty of areas to make mistakes.
GR Tron: Easy - They spend most of their game assembling the lands and have a limited number of bombs. Depriving Karn and Wurmcoil is usually enough to slow them down. Plus, 3 MB Ghost Quarter with Loam is rather unfair against them.
UWR Control: Medium - Another grindy one-for-oneing type of game. Being able to counter their counters/card advantage is pretty big. This comes down to who has tighter play. Life totals aren't huge here and you want to be the aggressor. So Fetch-Shock and force them to use their spells. They're a bit more favored to win longer games.
Melira Pod: Medium - I've only played this a couple times and it came down to who hit their pieces first. Luckily we have two to their three. Kill key bits when you can but getting Assault active is a priority.
Scapeshift: Difficult - They go off at 8 mana, which is enough to Scapeshift with Counterspell back up. We can generally only counter one spell a turn. So it makes it difficult to keep them from going off. Swan Song may be necessary as a cheap additional counter.
Affinity: Easy - Small creatures for our small removal. Keeping their creatures off of Plating is easy enough.
Burn: Difficult - Our deck does a fair bit of damage to itself and no way to gain life. The best bet is just limiting your damage and make sure to horde counters for those last few points of burn.
BGx/Jund:
Twin Combo:
GR Tron:
UWR Control:
Melira Pod:
Scapeshift:
Affinity:
Burn:
BGx/Jund:
Twin Combo:
GR Tron:
UWR Control:
Melira Pod:
Scapeshift:
Affinity:
Burn:
BGx/Jund:
Twin Combo:
GR Tron:
UWR Control:
Melira Pod:
Scapeshift:
Affinity:
Burn:
BGx/Jund:
Twin Combo:
GR Tron:
UWR Control:
Melira Pod:
Scapeshift:
Affinity:
Burn:
The Sideboard:
Like most of these sections, this is heavily dependent on your build. These are some common general purpose sideboard cards that appear in most lists.
Ancient Grudge – Affinity is a popular deck and having some extra removal against them can be extremely useful. Especially against lists running Master of Etherium.
Dismember – Splinter Twin combo is another popular deck and there isn’t much that can be done against a turn 3 Deceiver Exarch into Twin. Dismember helps here as well as being a generally good catch-all type of card.
Engineered Explosives – This hits Bogle decks hard and has uses in other match ups as well.
Spellskite – Another card that is useful against Twin combo but also make Burn a more manageable match up, especially if you are running Blue.
Jund Charm – Charms are usually pretty good and this one is no exception. It provides a lot of utility but is slightly too specific to main board usually. Though the match ups that it is good against, it is really good.
Obstinate Baloth – Another good card against Burn and has decent value against the GBx decks running Liliana of the Veil. Also, its 4/4 body is particularly difficult for most decks to deal with.
Ghost Quarter – Most decks run at least one of these main board. Tron is a real deck and being able to go up to 3 or 4 of these post-board allows us to keep them off of their lands more consistently.
Pyroclasm/Volcanic Fallout – A general good effect. It deals with Geist of Saint Traft as well as hitting Token style decks and other aggro decks hard. If Faeries is a thing in your meta, Fallout is probably a better choice.
Thrun, the Last Troll – UWR Control is very popular right now and Thrun is an incredibly difficult card for them to deal with. He may be a bit slow but there isn’t anything they can do about him.
Note: This is my first primer and is by no means complete. Feel free to comment about features to add or anything I may have missed. I tried to be detailed and thorough but I'm sure I left things out. Thanks again for your interest in the deck!
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
FL is exactly the card you WANT in this deck. LSV even talks about it in his video; Countryside Crusher doesn't really do anything except be a different win condition that is typically irrelevant most of the time; What this deck wants to do is Shock the opponent to the face with 6 lands and a loam in hand.
With Faithless Looting you can pitch land, LftL, Raven's Crime, and Flame Jab into the yard; that creates zero Card Disadvantage on your part and the itself can really be read as, "Draw 2 and set up your Graveyard".
If you want an 'aggro' style deck; you should replace black with white, imo; Then you'd have CCC, BBE, Goyf, KOTR, and like Noble Hierarch? And then simply have LftL/Flame Jab/Assault as your support. But the black version really is just worried with neutralizing the opponent until you can blow them up for 12-20 in one turn for game.
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So, what you're calling the black version is essentially a combo deck? I'm currently messing around with LSV's deck on Cockatrice and I can't decide whether it should be played as a combo deck or as something else.
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
It's essentially a midrange deck that grinds the opponent down until you're in a position to 'go off'. There's a lot of interaction with the opponent in this deck.
(did you watch the matches that LSV plays with the deck? He's pretty informative and plays the deck fairly well in most of the games. And even talks about card choices and how they stack up. I browse with Adblocker and it 'bleeps' the video player out so, you may have missed it, is why i ask)
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That is the already started thread for this topic. It wasn't exactly hard to find.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
It looks like this deck just has to fold to the black leyline.
I actually saw that thread. I saw the first page and concluded that it was a thread that should have been archived due to the decklists being outdated by bannings. Didn't notice that the discussion was still active, thanks for pointing it out.
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
You have maelstrom pulse to answer black leyline; and I mean, you have IoK or Thoughtseize and Raven's Crime to kinda strip their hand (Oh and Lilianna). Also the hate most people prefer has been Relic of Progenitus, which doesn't really do enough. Sure you got rid of one LftL, but what you did with that one LftL was probably pretty darn good. And out of the board you have Ancient Grudge for that if they just throw it out there. And even then, once you've been able to Loam just once, you've essentially played an 'Ancestral Visions,' and they merely took away the ability to play more.
And Bob / Faithless Looting will keep you in the game long enough to grab an answer. And if worse comes to worse; getting in there with Bobs and Goyfs while Lili and Targetted removal keep the ground clear isn't such a bad strategy. This deck can really grind opponents down.
Sig courtesy of DOLZero
One thing that's been bugging me recently: how do you know when to dredge vs. when to draw? Here's what I've been doing:
1. If I don't have Loam in my grave, I draw obviously!
2. If I have Seismic Assault in my hand or on the board I always dredge.
3. If I have Eternal Witness in my hand and I'm still looking for Seismic Assault, then I dredge.
4. If I don't have Eternal Witness or Seismic Assault in my hand then, only under these circumstances, I will draw rather than dredge.
Is this an appropriate way to play the deck?
My justification for #3 is that if I'm searching for Seismic Assault then dredging is a faster way to search than drawing because I open three cards per turn rather than one.
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
Again. The answers to your questions are here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=347249
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
Here is the old archived thread if anyone wants to copy out their new posts and add them to the discussion.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=347249
If someone wants to adopt the primer please post here:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=390846
Ok, I promise you that I read through the other thread entirely and I couldn't find the answer to the questions that I'm asking. At any rate, that other thread has now been closed, so I think this is now the place to ask and get these questions answered.
Also, another thing I'm wondering is if there is any way to return Seismic Assault to your hand from the graveyard (like Eternal Witness). That way, once you have Loam in the grave, you can just keep dredging till you find Assault.
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
Of course. The way I see it, one has to play this deck in two stages. The first stage consists of board control; in this stage you have to try to discard your opponent's hand and / or kill his creatures. For this you need Raven's Crime and Flame Jab or Seismic Assault.
However, once you have things under control and it's time to draw the Seismic Assault ftw... that's the stage at which my question comes up: dredge or draw?
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
The issue with your question is that it is very game state dependent. It also varies wildly match-up to match-up.
Early game you want to have an active Raven's Crime against Tron. Conversely this plan would be terribly useless versus Affinity.
I think as a general rule of thumb you wait to use Life from the Loam until you know what it is you are facing. Dredging away versus an opponent with black mana sources is just asking to have your Loam extracted. Versus Affinity you would wan't to dredge pretty hard in order to get both Jab and Grudge into your yard, as Affinity plays little grave hate game 1. Game 2 you would want to naturally draw a grudge in order to deal with any Cages they might have. Also is you suspect someone is going to use Grafdiggers Cage versus you you want to have a Seismic Assault as your weapon of choice. Cage has no effect on the dredge trigger. Basically what I am getting at in my rambles is that you will never be able to say in x situation I will need to do this. Only with play testing versus each archetype will you gain the knowledge needed to make these decisions.
So if you really need a general rule of Dredge, go as follows.
Versus Aggro: Stick a Assault or Flame Jab and get to dredging fast.
Versus Control/Combo: Raven's Crime + Loam.
Versus known Extraction player: Be as careful with your key spells as possible. Try to hit the Extraction effects with discard. Don't be afraid to use KotR to Bojuko Bog your own grave in response to a Extraction.
Turn zero Leyline is just about game over. Not sure what happens there. Depends on your build. Don't be surprised if you see this card more often with the rise of Dredge.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Graven Cairns
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
Spells
4 Faithless Looting
3 Flame Jab
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Life from the Loam
3 Raven's Crime
4 Seismic Assault
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Worm Harvest
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Deathmark
2 Jund Charm
2 Nature's Claim
2 Obstinate Baloth
2 Terminate
2 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Torpor Orb
From this article: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/loving-loam/
(how it differs from LSV's list)
Notable changes; 4 Faithless Looting 4 Seismic Assault ; opposed to 3 each.
She also runs Horizon Canopy; Which is an amazing addition imo; for the sole purpose of IT SAVES YOUR LOAM FROM EXTRACTION. It's also a semi-decent draw engine if you happen to no have faithless looting but you do have Loam online.
The SB also swaps out Clasms for Jund Charm; which is nice, because JC is instant and does provide some Graveyard hate (Toolbox SB cards are nice).
My list;
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Graven Cairns
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
1 Eternal Witness
Spells
4 Faithless Looting
3 Flame Jab
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Terminate
4 Life from the Loam
3 Raven's Crime
4 Seismic Assault
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Jund Charm
2 Nature's Claim
2 Obstinate Baloth
1 Terminate
2 Thoughtseize
2 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Torpor Orb
Sig courtesy of DOLZero
Also, I've been reading a little about the Legacy version of this deck and I discovered that Chalice of the Void is a staple card of this deck (always 4x Maindeck). Why isn't this card used in Modern versions of the deck? Do you think it could be useful?
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
Because you don't have access to Mox Diamond.
Here's the build I'm currently playing:
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
3 Seismic Assault
3 Noxious Revival
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Flame Jab
3 Faithless Looting
4 Life from the Loam
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Worm Harvest
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Obstinate Baloth
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Nature's Claim
Also, I was watching Standard Spike on MTGO Academy and saw a modern tourney in which he went 4-0 with the following list:
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Bloodghast
2 Flame Jab
4 Ravens Crime
4 Life from the Loam
4 Faithless Looting
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Smallpox
3 Seismic Assault
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Blood Crypt
2 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Raging Ravine
1 Twilight Mire
2 Scalding Tarn
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Tectonic Edge
2 Bojuka Bog
2 Combust
1 Flame Jab
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Thoughtseize
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W
If you want to make it Aggro-loam, then go with 4 Birds of Paradise, 4 Countryside Crusher, 4 Knight of the Reliquary, 4 Qasali Pridemage, 4 Tarmogoyf and 4 Lightning Bolt + Assault & Loam. Then you've got a fast clock.
It's an updated version of Brawl into an epic, new game.
Hey, yeah, thanks for the tip. I have since done some reading up on this archetype and have come to the same conclusion. It seems that there are two basic variants of Assault Loam - one is a WRG aggro strategy like the one you outlined (KotR, etc.) and the other is a BRG control strategy like the one outlined in this thread (and primer). I'd like to stick with the BRG control strategy for now because I'm not really a fan of the aggro decks.
But I should also point out that what you're saying is not entirely true. Because Bronson Magnon's GP list is actually somewhere between the control and the aggro strategies (actually it leans much closer towards control in BRG) but this list still runs Countryside Crusher. So, I guess not every Loam deck running Countryside Crusher wants to completely switch over to the aggro-beatdown route.
Anywho, for the moment, I agree with you and I'm not running Countryside Crusher in my BRG list because I prefer to play control.
BRG Loam Control (Assault - Loam) BRG
W Mono White Control (Martyr - Proc) W