Assuming that you aren't just ignoring Modern Masters sets, I imagine that what you are asking for is a set where all of the cards are legal in every format except Standard or Brawl (barring format bans). This would mean some combination of...
1. As normal for modern masters, decent reprints could help lower the price of key cards in modern.
2. The set could reprint older cards that aren't already in the modern cardpool, adding them to the cardpool in the process.
3. We could get unique new cards in modern (like we get in Conspiracy or Battleborn) that might be too disruptive to ever enter standard play.
And, for bonus points...
4. Normal price for boosters, normal number of boosters per box, and decent print run (as with battleborn or conspiracy).
Honestly, I support most of that. With that said, I think that pushing powerful old cards into the modern cardpool is pretty dangerous. While there are dozens of cards out there that could expand underplayed archetypes without making too big of a stink, any mistakes would tick a lot of people off and be difficult to reverse. Plus, it may risk making modern less distinct from other eternal formats.
I'd be all for a set that could get cards like Psychatog, Muscle Sliver, any old playable three mana counter (Absorb/Undermine/Forbid), Curfew, Capsize, Baleful Strix, and Prophetic Bolt into Modern without worrying about Standard first, for starters. There are absolutely risks involved; if this ever happens, I hope Wizards errs on the side of caution (no Force of Will/Wasteland/Daze power levels).
From a business standpoint, would a set like this sell well enough to put to market? I'd like to think so, as long as it's good enough for limited formats as well, but I'm very biased towards Modern. I mean, if sets like Battlebond can make it, why not something like this?
Ultimately, standard is WoTC's baby. It's the designated center for the vast majority of new cards. I'm sure that even the new cards from supplemental sets would have ended up in standard if not for them being so format-specific in many cases. The attitude of the company towards the other competitive formats seems to view them as things rather to be kept up with bans and reprints rather than be actively developed outside of a bare minimum. It also doesn't help that, while rotation makes standard volatile by design, modern and legacy (alongside many of their players) tend not to handle upheaval as well, which makes development much more difficult. In contrast, Conspiracy, Battlebond, and silver-bordered sets are self-contained, which makes experimentation safer for them. I guess simplest answer to your question would be that modern simply isn't a prerogative for the company.
That isn't, of course, to say that such a thing would be impossible or a bad idea.
I just want Containment Priest and Gerrard's Verdict in modern. WoTC make this happen somehow please. (Yes, supplemental set that introduces cards into Modern would be a great way)
Only chance to get cards we want reprinted into Modern would be via core sets like M19 unfortunately.
Which is actually not a bad avenue. They have historically done pretty well with their core sets in terms of modern staples. With the new play-design team in place I'm expecting a few goodies this time round.
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Only chance to get cards we want reprinted into Modern would be via core sets like M19 unfortunately.
Which is actually not a bad avenue. They have historically done pretty well with their core sets in terms of modern staples. With the new play-design team in place I'm expecting a few goodies this time round.
So far I've liked the products coming out of the new design team and Gavin has been proving himself quite handily. I wouldn't say that he is doing as much design work on new ideas as the older team, but he knows how to mix wanted reprints with just enough support that the products coming out aren't turning into a repeat of Planechase Anthology, Amonkhet, or some of the other past sets and products. Battlebond is selling so well that it is sold out at a lot of places alongside Dominaria.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Only chance to get cards we want reprinted into Modern would be via core sets like M19 unfortunately.
Which is actually not a bad avenue. They have historically done pretty well with their core sets in terms of modern staples. With the new play-design team in place I'm expecting a few goodies this time round.
So far I've liked the products coming out of the new design team and Gavin has been proving himself quite handily. I wouldn't say that he is doing as much design work on new ideas as the older team, but he knows how to mix wanted reprints with just enough support that the products coming out aren't turning into a repeat of Planechase Anthology, Amonkhet, or some of the other past sets and products. Battlebond is selling so well that it is sold out at a lot of places alongside Dominaria.
I was talking about the play-design team. It contains a bunch of magic pros and its specific role is to test and analyse upcoming sets for constructed formats like modern and standard, in order to better inform the team making the cards and get better products. This team was hired a little while ago, and i think the first set they properly acted on was Dominaria. They clearly did a great job.
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well if you are just hoping for more reprints of cards already in the format i wouldnt be worried. that is going to happen anyways, through standard and other supplementary products; even if they dont technically have the 'modern masters' name.
introducing new cards that bypass standard is something else entirely.
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WOTC is experiencing a devastating loss of players for various reasons. Eternal formats plague WOTC because second-hand markets control a larger margin of sales. That's why we're seeing legacy and modern sub-sets. Look at the "BattleBond" set. Mostly garbage and a cute mix of more garbage but it's delicately littered with just enough value to consider, and that's no accident. That set has no baring on modern but the example is relevant.
We will never see a standard set produce more than a fist full of cards that translate into eternal formats. If we do then that is a giant, red, flag.
MTG Finance has made itself problematic, as well. It stabilizes the second-hand market largely based on tier representation in tournaments and the reserved list. So what happens when MTG loses millions of players over the course of the past x years? Where do you think the majority of those players dumped their collections? The same places that can afford to buy them at competitive levels so they can bottleneck the supply and demand chain but I digress... if you're looking for a standard set for a Hail Mary pass into modern, you'll have a better chance getting struck by Lightning Bolt than winning that lottery.
the fact that magic, a physical game that requires people to come together and interact, has continued to survive in a world of digital products built on instant gratification speaks of wotc doing something right, not wrong.
card prices blow, and there should be more reprints in general. however there is no basis to believe that cards being dirt cheap would substantially grow the playerbase. some amount of people are kept out of playing due to a price barrier, but there is no way to know how many; and or if this number of people is greater than the number of those who would leave the game if the value of their collections tank.
also, its not as if wizards is sitting on their asses. they are trying to carve out a spot with arena, are testing new product lines, and are open and willing to change things such as the standard rotation model, the design process, and the core/masters sets. which may seem to some like incompetence or lack of insight, but i see it as a company trying to keep one of the best games ever made relevant in an age where everything says it shouldnt be.
wizards is going to continue printing powerful cards in standard, including both new and reprints. also reprints are going to keep happening in non-standard products, with some being better than others like it always has. the real question is whether or not they want to take the step towards more deliberate management of modern by having some means of introducing cards that wont make standard even more of a dumpster fire than it has been.
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I just want Containment Priest and Gerrard's Verdict in modern. WoTC make this happen somehow please. (Yes, supplemental set that introduces cards into Modern would be a great way)
I still don’t understand why cards from Commander aren’t modern legal.
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JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I just want Containment Priest and Gerrard's Verdict in modern. WoTC make this happen somehow please. (Yes, supplemental set that introduces cards into Modern would be a great way)
I still don’t understand why cards from Commander aren’t modern legal.
its because edh, legacy, and vintage have a much higher threshold for what is reasonable power level wise. they can freely design and print busted cards without fearing they are going to snap anything in half. if commander products were made legal they would have to ban a bunch of cards at the outset, and it would limit their design space for those products moving forward.
seems pretty selfish to impose restrictions on a product because of a format that it isnt even meant for dont you think?
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Modern Masters 2013 was packed to the gills with value (especially now, like with Engineered Explosives), and had great draft (by what I hear). OP, is that what you're requesting? Because I'll 100% second that motion. MM2 only had good mythics and MM3 was good, but didn't reach the same value MM1 did. I'd like less "draft masters with meh Modern cards" and more "Modern goodies that draft decently together".
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UBR Sedris RG Omnath, Locus of Rage UB The Scarab God RUG Maelstrom Wanderer WU Dragonlord Ojutai
Why can't Wizards print an instant speed rampant growth.
-Sakura-Tribe Elder exists. It's the closest thing, and its not overpowered.
-Natural Connection sees zero play
-Green doesn't have much to do about instants anyway besides protecting a mana dork with a blossoming defense
Why can't Wizards print an instant speed rampant growth.
-Sakura-Tribe Elder exists. It's the closest thing, and its not overpowered.
-Natural Connection sees zero play
-Green doesn't have much to do about instants anyway besides protecting a mana dork with a blossoming defense
you forgot harrow is an instant.
Also I do wish they made a modern only set, so cards like Brainstorm or counterspell could enter the modern play pool ( well maybe not brainstorm)
This thread is full of idiots... Lightning Bolt is NOT being reprinted.
Many times has a writer in Wizards said so, because of the plain and simple fact that it's too powerful for what it costs. x/3 creatures shouldn't be able to die at instant speed for one mana without a signifigant drawback. (like PTE giving you a land)
I absolutely guarantee that LB will not be printed in M10, and you can quote me on that.
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Reality is only what man allows it to be. Few shape it so that many may accept it.
1. As normal for modern masters, decent reprints could help lower the price of key cards in modern.
2. The set could reprint older cards that aren't already in the modern cardpool, adding them to the cardpool in the process.
3. We could get unique new cards in modern (like we get in Conspiracy or Battleborn) that might be too disruptive to ever enter standard play.
And, for bonus points...
4. Normal price for boosters, normal number of boosters per box, and decent print run (as with battleborn or conspiracy).
Honestly, I support most of that. With that said, I think that pushing powerful old cards into the modern cardpool is pretty dangerous. While there are dozens of cards out there that could expand underplayed archetypes without making too big of a stink, any mistakes would tick a lot of people off and be difficult to reverse. Plus, it may risk making modern less distinct from other eternal formats.
From a business standpoint, would a set like this sell well enough to put to market? I'd like to think so, as long as it's good enough for limited formats as well, but I'm very biased towards Modern. I mean, if sets like Battlebond can make it, why not something like this?
That isn't, of course, to say that such a thing would be impossible or a bad idea.
Imagine the utter CHAOS of adding a bunch of legacy cards, or EDH cards, straight into Modern. Pure chaos.
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Which is actually not a bad avenue. They have historically done pretty well with their core sets in terms of modern staples. With the new play-design team in place I'm expecting a few goodies this time round.
So far I've liked the products coming out of the new design team and Gavin has been proving himself quite handily. I wouldn't say that he is doing as much design work on new ideas as the older team, but he knows how to mix wanted reprints with just enough support that the products coming out aren't turning into a repeat of Planechase Anthology, Amonkhet, or some of the other past sets and products. Battlebond is selling so well that it is sold out at a lot of places alongside Dominaria.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I was talking about the play-design team. It contains a bunch of magic pros and its specific role is to test and analyse upcoming sets for constructed formats like modern and standard, in order to better inform the team making the cards and get better products. This team was hired a little while ago, and i think the first set they properly acted on was Dominaria. They clearly did a great job.
introducing new cards that bypass standard is something else entirely.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)We will never see a standard set produce more than a fist full of cards that translate into eternal formats. If we do then that is a giant, red, flag.
MTG Finance has made itself problematic, as well. It stabilizes the second-hand market largely based on tier representation in tournaments and the reserved list. So what happens when MTG loses millions of players over the course of the past x years? Where do you think the majority of those players dumped their collections? The same places that can afford to buy them at competitive levels so they can bottleneck the supply and demand chain but I digress... if you're looking for a standard set for a Hail Mary pass into modern, you'll have a better chance getting struck by Lightning Bolt than winning that lottery.
card prices blow, and there should be more reprints in general. however there is no basis to believe that cards being dirt cheap would substantially grow the playerbase. some amount of people are kept out of playing due to a price barrier, but there is no way to know how many; and or if this number of people is greater than the number of those who would leave the game if the value of their collections tank.
also, its not as if wizards is sitting on their asses. they are trying to carve out a spot with arena, are testing new product lines, and are open and willing to change things such as the standard rotation model, the design process, and the core/masters sets. which may seem to some like incompetence or lack of insight, but i see it as a company trying to keep one of the best games ever made relevant in an age where everything says it shouldnt be.
wizards is going to continue printing powerful cards in standard, including both new and reprints. also reprints are going to keep happening in non-standard products, with some being better than others like it always has. the real question is whether or not they want to take the step towards more deliberate management of modern by having some means of introducing cards that wont make standard even more of a dumpster fire than it has been.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)I still don’t understand why cards from Commander aren’t modern legal.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
its because edh, legacy, and vintage have a much higher threshold for what is reasonable power level wise. they can freely design and print busted cards without fearing they are going to snap anything in half. if commander products were made legal they would have to ban a bunch of cards at the outset, and it would limit their design space for those products moving forward.
seems pretty selfish to impose restrictions on a product because of a format that it isnt even meant for dont you think?
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)UBR Sedris
RG Omnath, Locus of Rage
UB The Scarab God
RUG Maelstrom Wanderer
WU Dragonlord Ojutai
-Sakura-Tribe Elder exists. It's the closest thing, and its not overpowered.
-Natural Connection sees zero play
-Green doesn't have much to do about instants anyway besides protecting a mana dork with a blossoming defense
you forgot harrow is an instant.
Also I do wish they made a modern only set, so cards like Brainstorm or counterspell could enter the modern play pool ( well maybe not brainstorm)
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