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So after playing EDH on MTGO for awhile I've realized its important to play counters and have ways to quickly win the game. So I'm trying to build a very strong deck. I like what The Mimeoplasm can do and I think his colors are great for a strong EDH deck. I'm trying not to go all in on the graveyard strategy because I don't want to fold to some grave hate. Currently its a massive list of strong cards. Are there any particularly broken cards in the colors I'm missing? For once I'm not opposed to combos, the fewer cards needed to combo the better. $5 is probably the highest per card I can afford at present. I'm just not used to building a deck to be as broken as possible, I usually build on a theme but this time I'm building to win. Thanks for any and all input!

P.S. This list currently has 132 cards in it and the landbase isn't even complete so suggestions for cuts are especially appreciated!

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So after playing EDH on MTGO for awhile I've realized its important to play counters and have ways to quickly win the game. So I'm trying to build a very strong deck. I like what The Mimeoplasm can do and I think his colors are great for a strong EDH deck. I'm trying not to go all in on the graveyard strategy because I don't want to fold to some grave hate. Currently its a massive list of strong cards. Are there any particularly broken cards in the colors I'm missing? For once I'm not opposed to combos, the fewer cards needed to combo the better. $5 is probably the highest per card I can afford at present. I'm just not used to building a deck to be as broken as possible, I usually build on a theme but this time I'm building to win. Thanks for any and all input!

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Lands: 1x academy ruins 1x alchemist's refuge 1x breeding pool 1x dimir aqueduct 1x evolving wilds 1x dimir guildgate 1x golgari guildgate 1x golgari rot farm 1x overgrown tomb 1x simic growth chamber 1x simic guildgate 1x terramorphic expanse 1x watery grave 1x strip mine Creatures: 1x disciple of bolas 1x acidic slime 1x avenger of zendikar 1x body double 1x brutalizer exarch 1x butcher of malakir 1x Consecrated sphinx 1x consuming aberration 1x deadeye navigator 1x deadwood treefolk 1x diluvian primordial 1x dimir doppelganger 1x duplicant 1x Eternal Witness 1x farhaven elf 1x fleshbag marauder 1x ink-eyes, servant of oni 1x jace's archivist 1x kederekt leviathan 1x kokusho, the evening star 1x krosan tusker 1x massacre wurm 1x mulldrifter 1x mystic snake 1x necrotic ooze 1x oracle of mul daya 1x prime speaker zegana 1x progenitor mimic 1x prophet of kruphix 1x puppeteer clique 1x woodfall primus 1x palinchron 1x rune-scarred demon 1x scavenging ooze 1x seedborn muse 1x sepulchral primordial 1x sewer nemesis 1x sheoldred, whispering one 1x shriekmaw 1x reclamation sage 1x solemn simulacrum 1x sphinx of uthuun 1x terastodon 1x trinket mage 1x tornado elemental 1x venser, shaper savant 1x vulturous zombie 1x Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger 1x Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur 1x phyrexian metamorph 1x quicksilver gargantuan

Artifacts: 1x lightning greaves 1x chromatic lantern 1x crystal shard 1x darksteel ingot 1x darksteel plate 1x keening stone 1x tormod's crypt 1x mimic vat 1x sensei's divining top 1x skullclamp 1x nevinyrral's disk 1x sol ring 1x elixir of immortality Enchantments: 1x future sight 1x greater good 1x painful quandary 1x phyrexian arena 1x Dance of the dead 1x deadbridge chant 1x Animate dead 1x survival of the fittest 1x sylvan library Planeswalkers: 1x garruk wildspeaker Spells: 1x genesis wave 1x hinder 1x increasing ambition 1x intuition 1x jarad's orders 1x kodamas reach 1x krosan grip 1x life's finale 1x Living death 1x memory plunder 1x monomania 1x Necromancy 1x praetor's counsel 1x putrefy 1x Reanimate 1x rise of the dark realms 1x rite of consumption 1x rite of replication 1x skyshroud claim 1x spell crumple 1x time warp 1x tooth and nail 1x traumatize 1x triumph of the horde 1x tunnel vision 1x Victimize 1x voidslime 1x windfall 1x counterspell 1x cultivate 1x cyclonic rift 1x decree of pain 1x demonic tutor 1x entomb 1x evacuation 1x exclude 1x explosive vegetation 1x forbid 1x archive trap 1x beast within 1x bound // determined 1x bribery 1x buried alive 1x capsize

Nothing at all? Come on! Help a brother out!

1. Cut the bounce lands. They're targets waiting to be blown up.

2. Commit to one thing. I see lots of creatures that if plasm copied wouldn't be that important and lots of reanimator synergy. Either go with reanimator or plasm. Cut the stuff that's just goodstuff since it's not often it will come in handy.

3. Cards like exclude are too narrow. Replace with low cmc cards that counter everything.


Here's what I'd remove
1x deadwood treefolk
1x dimir doppelganger
1x ink-eyes, servant of oni
1x krosan tusker
1x vulturous zombie
1x quicksilver gargantuan
1x darksteel plate
1x keening stone
1x painful quandary
1x deadbridge chant
1x monomania
1x tunnel vision
1x exclude
1x archive trap
1x bound // determined

I want to start off with this suggestion, based on the "Cutthroat" in the title: Mana Crypt. It's like $5 on MTGO. Same with a few other Vintage cards that are really expensive in real life but online they're <$5, such as Mana Drain and the original duals.

Thanks a lot for the response! I feel like it would be better to stay away from Reanimator so I don't get blown out by grave hate. Do you ever have that problem?

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Thanks a lot for the response! I feel like it would be better to stay away from Reanimator so I don't get blown out by grave hate. Do you ever have that problem?

Not so much anymore. I run over a dozen answers and lots of tutors just in case

If you are building The Mimeoplasm, reanimator is typically the way to go. To avoid graveyard hate, don't overcommit. There's no reason to keep dumping things in the yard, if you have things in there you can already abuse.

Also, one of my favorite ways to kill someone with Mimeo is by getting Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon and Krosan Tusker (great card for this deck!) in the yard (Buried Alive). Cast Mimeo and activate Skithy's haste ability to knock someone out.

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Thanks a lot for the response! I feel like it would be better to stay away from Reanimator so I don't get blown out by grave hate. Do you ever have that problem?

Not so much anymore. I run over a dozen answers and lots of tutors just in case

I think answers are super important to run. I won't run so any tutors though. I don't want every game to be the same: tutor up deaths shadow, entomb skithyrix and kill.

You can't build a cut-throat list without tutors

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Thanks a lot for the response! I feel like it would be better to stay away from Reanimator so I don't get blown out by grave hate. Do you ever have that problem?

Not so much anymore. I run over a dozen answers and lots of tutors just in case

So I've been going over your primer this evening and I do like the deck but its just extremely focused on doing one thing. I noticed that you have nearly no utility creatures or dudes that aren't reanimation targets. I think I'm going to try to do something that can reanimate but also can still beat some faces in if I can't get my reanimate on.

Typically cutthroat decks don't run very many creatures. Honestly, I haven't seen many Mimeoplasm decks that are truly cutthroat. I've seen very strong ones that do well in 99% of all metas but most Mimeo decks want to use the Mimeo. BUG decks that are cutthroat don't really build around the commander. The commander is mostly there for colors and for the limited number of games that run deep in cutthroat.

That is why Damia, Sage of Stone is often a better choice in the colors. Mimeo isn't great late because your deck isn't going to be creature heavy in cutthroat. Neither are your opponents decks. Damia gives you potentially game breaking card draw for the occasions where games go long.

If you really want to see a cutthroat deck that is in the colors look up the Damia lists by moxnix.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217037-video-update-competitive-damia-edh

The first list is extremely strong and should hang in truly cutthroat games. The storm list is almost as degenerately good as Ad Nauseam combo or Hermit Druid. It might not be as fast as those but it's probably more resilient and better in the games that do go long.

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Typically cutthroat decks don't run very many creatures. Honestly, I haven't seen many Mimeoplasm decks that are truly cutthroat. I've seen very strong ones that do well in 99% of all metas but most Mimeo decks want to use the Mimeo. BUG decks that are cutthroat don't really build around the commander. The commander is mostly there for colors and for the limited number of games that run deep in cutthroat.

That is why Damia, Sage of Stone is often a better choice in the colors. Mimeo isn't great late because your deck isn't going to be creature heavy in cutthroat. Neither are your opponents decks. Damia gives you potentially game breaking card draw for the occasions where games go long.

If you really want to see a cutthroat deck that is in the colors look up the Damia lists by moxnix.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217037-video-update-competitive-damia-edh

The first list is extremely strong and should hang in truly cutthroat games. The storm list is almost as degenerately good as Ad Nauseam combo or Hermit Druid. It might not be as fast as those but it's probably more resilient and better in the games that do go long.

Pretty much this. Relying too much on your commander can end up screwing the deck over. I rarely cast my general but when I do it's a finisher or a way to exile threats from opponents assuming they're doing something similar.

I recently played against a really powerful Damia deck online that had a similar decklist to Monix's build. Some of the best and closest games I've had.

MTGO is not really cutthroat I think. People that play cutthroat decks typically stops playing online because most do not (I think around 90% or more do not have a good deck) and it gets old fast to win all the time. I.e. I am playing a pauper deck in multiplayer and wins around 50% of the time. That would not happen in a cutthroat meta. Duels is a bit better I think though (but this is in the multiplayer subforum).

That said, if you want to improve your deck (and it is a far cry from cutthroat right now) you should lower your curve. I think the avg. cmc (of non-lands) is around 4 and you should get it below 3 atleast. For instance, my pauper deck is less than 3 in avg. cmc and it is playing more high cost spells then I am generally comfortable with but the pauper pool is a bit shallow. Lowering your curve lets you 1) adapt more easily to the game; and 2) also often makes someone else stuff a target; 3) and lets you play more spells.