People going to FNM and other competitors will simply complain about the next most dominating deck and how people have to shell out their paycheck to buy it. You all enjoy not seeing Caw-Blade and Jace variants anymore, until other rares and mythics increase and it becomes a struggle again due to supply and demand because a new dominating deck takes place.
And for those who are wondering, I've never even ran Caw-Blade. I actually enjoy playing against the best decks and finding countermeasures against them. I'm just an FNM player, and even I've been able to beat skilled Caw-Blade players about a third of the time with my own homebrew decks.
I know not everyone's situation is the same, but seriously, Caw-Blade can be beaten. People see PTQ results and numbers and think "well this is too broken then". Try studying the popular decklists and come up with a good deck of your own that can counteract Blade or w/e else comes along.
I prefer not to just give up and hope for an unnecessary ban to come along. But as history shows, when the most popular general consensus agrees on something, regardless of good or bad reasoning, changes are usually made to quell the complaints. Go figure.
Who says there will be a "dominating deck?" No one is the correct answer. There will now be more diversity in standard.
memo to all "grinders" "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Sir Winston Churchill.
When cards hit the $100.00 mark or perhaps even less in standard EXPECT it to be possibly banned. There is a reason cards rise in value and it is possible it will get banned so think twice before investing and at the very least understand that the card could be banned very quickly after you buy it.
Here's the long and short of it folks. You guys beat us. You couldn't beat us on the court. You couldn't beat us playing the game we love. No... You cried to your momma long enough and loud enough to have them take away our toys. Then, instead of acting with a sense of decorum and having a shred of the sportsmanship grinders like myself have had every time we've beaten you... you celebrate and talk smack. As I said. This both amuses and disappoints me.
I didn't know Lebron James played magic the gathering.
Think perhaps about making a living doing something besides playing a game, then you won't be so distressed when a correct banning is made to make the GAME fun and varied again.
If you bought JTMS early you could've easily grinded your more expensive, more powerful deck and made your money back again.
2 cards needed to be banned, but WotC got it wrong. SFM and Valukut should have been banned, not Jace. Now the format will go from Caw Blade dominated to Valukut dominated. If Jace stayed legal people would be playing a lot of blue, but the combos would be completely different. Aside from going from 1 warped format to another rewarded format I think this also damages being able to call Magic a CCG. What collector can have any faith in investing in this companies high price products.
how is valakut an issue? protips: dont run 3 colors, and run tectonic edge. deal with the enablers via black discard or blue countermagic. sorry for people running silly aggro decks that just cant deal with valakut, but thats the whole point of valakut.
its rock paper scissors again.
rock = control
scissors = valakut
paper = aggro
that, or control is rock paper and scissors still lol.
2 cards needed to be banned, but WotC got it wrong. SFM and Valukut should have been banned, not Jace. Now the format will go from Caw Blade dominated to Valukut dominated. If Jace stayed legal people would be playing a lot of blue, but the combos would be completely different. Aside from going from 1 warped format to another rewarded format I think this also damages being able to call Magic a CCG. What collector can have any faith in investing in this companies high price products.
Rather than complaining most investors know that there are always conditions outside of their power to control that make investing inherently volatile. In magic you jsut know that potential bannings are one aspect of volatility. Plus he's still played in every other format he's legal in, so he will probably stabilize around 40 which is still nothing to scoff at for a 2.5x3 inch piece of cardboard. If you were investing skillfully you probably didn't pay much more than 50-60 for your jaces anyhow, so you shouldn't have lost that much. If you paid more than 70-75, then I suggest you rethink your investment methods. If you bought a playset simply to play with, then you were playing magic, not investing, and thus shouldn't be complaining about a lost investment.
I love how there is all this crying about SFM being in a precon deck, when Skullclamp and the Articat lands were also in Precons...
I love how you're citing a single similarity, while ignoring major differences between the two situations.
For starters, there is the price difference between the products. Precons back then were about $10. The War of Attrition event deck is about $30.
Then there is the fact that the old precons were never touted as tournament worthy decks. It was a casual, entry level product, designed to get people accustomed to the game and showcase a few neat card interactions. It really wouldn't matter amongst the crowd those precons were designed for that a card was banned.
Then, there is the timing of the release. The old precons came out at the same time as the new set. Therefore, all the artifact lands and skullclamp were new to the scene, and not known entities. On the other hand, the card being banned in the event deck is a known powerhouse that has been standard legal for a year. It's also been talked about as ban-worthy, so when a player sees it in an event deck, he probably feels safe to purchase the product, because why in the world would they release something and then ban it two-weeks later? These aren't "emergency" bannings.
The rarities of the cards in question also make a big difference. Stoneforge is a chase rare, the artifact lands and skullclamp were commons and uncommon. Nobody was buying up all the Nuts & Bolts preconstructed decks back in the day to complete their playsets of Seat of the Synod.
Honestly, the differences between these two scenarios should actually illustrate EXACTLY why people are upset about the Stoneforge situation.
*Edit* And sorry if somebody already addressed this ridiculous post, didn't read the whole thread yet.
Before caw blade the deck to watch was valkut. Now that wizards has finally decided to give other decks the answer to caw blade, we can all go back to trying to beat v. Titan. Also...i think it worth note that wiz only did the ban after world wake was bought out. Bad form wizards.
To the players - this is a GAME. WotC has the responsibility to provide a GAME. They are not required to provide players of said game an INVESTMENT. If you are investing in this game thinking you're going to turn the cards over for a profit, you're as ignorant as the people that invested in Beanie Babies, multiple cover / variant cover / hologram cover / first issue comic books, etc.
The people that should be upset are the local store owners, who just got screwed, and the FNM judges that now will have to deal with about 6 months of crap having to completely check someone's deck every time there's a SFM in it and having to explain to new players why the deck they bought that said it was FNM ready is not because they changed a couple cards in it.
If something absolutely HAD to be done, you could have simply brought back the restricted list, which should never have gone away.
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They should have just waited for the cards to rotate out in a couple months, imo. The game designers screwed the pooch, and now they're back pedaling. They should know by now how to avoid these situations, which they've managed to do since Mirrodin. They need to pull their heads out of their asses and spend more time on R&D before they release a new set.
Guess I'll be dusting off my Little Jaces...
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This is a huge economic blow to us PTQ grinders. We invest 500-700 dollars into a deck only to have it ripped away from us.
New format will be twice as boring and degenerate as the old. Stoneforge was a problem. Jace honestly wasn't. And, of course, I am stuck with 6 of them because I've been lending them out to friends for their PTQ season...
I do find it amusing that so many uncompetitive players are taking pleasure in our loss though. Do you really hate us grinders so much?
I think it is lame how you portray yourself as a "grinder" and that "uncompetitive players" somehow laugh at you like you are some victim...
I have never played at more than a FNM and prereleases - I have a x4 of Jace and SFM - nobody cares about you or grinders (or whatever made up manufactured label you want to call yourself to paint yourself as "heroic humble victim")
Its just a game - to me, it doesn't sound like its fun for you so you should just quit and go do something else
This is a huge economic blow to us PTQ grinders. We invest 500-700 dollars into a deck only to have it ripped away from us.
New format will be twice as boring and degenerate as the old. Stoneforge was a problem. Jace honestly wasn't. And, of course, I am stuck with 6 of them because I've been lending them out to friends for their PTQ season...
I do find it amusing that so many uncompetitive players are taking pleasure in our loss though. Do you really hate us grinders so much?
Twice as boring because two cards are gone and now you have to rethink your archetypes? Perhaps you need to revaluate the way you look at the game if you feel this is true. And you arent stuck with anything: no one made you run out and purchase six, and no one says you cant sell them or play with them now (its playabl;e in any format it's legal in...). Don't blame wizards for choices you've made. And again, the nature of INVESTING is RANDOM AND VOLATILE FACTORS BEYOND YOUR CONTROL exist. Suck it up and move on. Also how much money have you made on your jaces via playing in PTQs?
This decision was made for the benefit of most people. Whenever something is done for the benefit of most, obviously some people will lose out.
this kind of analysis would be flawed:
"I paid 80 for Jace;
Jace is now worth 50;
I sell Jace at 50;
I lost 30 dollars because Jace dropped thirty dollars since I first bought it."
For it to be more correct you'd have to put a use value on what you gained by playing with him for months. This outside of tournament winnings is subjective.
or maybe you guys shouldn't be treating playing magic as a form of occupation lol
2 cards needed to be banned, but WotC got it wrong. SFM and Valukut should have been banned, not Jace. Now the format will go from Caw Blade dominated to Valukut dominated. If Jace stayed legal people would be playing a lot of blue, but the combos would be completely different. Aside from going from 1 warped format to another rewarded format I think this also damages being able to call Magic a CCG. What collector can have any faith in investing in this companies high price products.
I must say I feel the same way.
I have my conspiracy theory why (probably full of bullsh... anyhow it's at the bottom of this reply)
how is valakut an issue? protips: dont run 3 colors, and run tectonic edge. deal with the enablers via black discard or blue countermagic. sorry for people running silly aggro decks that just cant deal with valakut, but thats the whole point of valakut.
its rock paper scissors again.
rock = control
scissors = valakut
paper = aggro
that, or control is rock paper and scissors still lol.
Well with all due respect; I think you just got it all wrong.
Yes, tectonic edge will destroy a valakut; yes, you can bug them a bit with discard (however, I wouldn't say yes about the countermagic, I'll explain under). At the end of the day, you will not bug them fast enough, imho.
Look at the other way: they can search for all 4 valakuts; but you will not be likely able search for all your tec edge. Also: what if they tec edge your tec edge?
Discard? You cannot make discard land; you can maybe make them discard the primeval titan; but how about: khalni heart expedition? cultivate? explore? and so on?
Countering the primeval? or worth the lotus? Well you're very likely to get a summoning trap against you. Which could lead to worth (primeval, an eldrazi dude, avenger of zendikar)...
My current deck doesn't run SFM (I do have a play set of her, I just didn't feel like building the same deck as everyone else); but I run JTMS.
I did play very often against Edrazi Ramp or Valakut Ramp deck.
With JTMS, I was often able to go fast enough through the deck to get spreading seas or tectonic edge... I must say, valakut is gonna be a heck of a lot stronger deck now.
My point is: yes, for each 1 card, there is at least 1 card you can put in your deck to respond to; the big difference, is: if on one side, they can tutor THAT card, and you cannot.
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So I've been thinking about the ban and why are they banning the cards now and not 6 months ago, a year ago...
Well a year ago; worldwake came out in February... If they were to ban it that quickly, they shouldn't have printed it to start with.
Regarding a potential ban from 6 months ago; I heard that they couldn't ban it because they would upset too many people who invested a lot in that particular card. Imagine the guy who bought a playset in november, spending close to $400 to heard that it was a waste of money.
Then why now? less than 3 months before it cycles out... (first expansion of the next big set is scheduled on September 30th)
Well, here is my theory: when new set appears, a couple of tier1/tier2 decks shift out, which leaves room for a new set of decks. Other decks based on the current expansion just get refactored and get an update with the newly release expansion.
Here is the problem: What tier1 decks are based on Mirrodin set?
Let me think:
caw-*? No, SFM is shifting out.
valakut? No the land is shifting out.
ramp? No lotus cobra, overgrown battlement are key card which are also ****ing out..
RUG? No JTMS, Lotus...
boros? No, landfall is from zendikar and is ****ing out...
...
infect? Oh wait, none of the infect deck are actually that good... (yet!)
And I can go on...
The closest thing of a mirrodin based playable deck IMHO is: wurmcoil + architect... And even so, it's currently using JTMS as a key card!!!
If you think about it, there are NO deck based on Mirrodin which are playable (in a sense of: having a chance to win) in major event!!!
What was about to happen is: in october, the whole meta would have changed completely! None of the current decks would have made it to the next tournament...
Banning JTMS and SFM seems to be their way to give people 3 months to explore the scars card and to try to come up with new type of decks...
To be fair, I do like this new mirrodin series, but this set as been more a complementary set to the zendikar one, rather than a set which brought many new decks to life..
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Competitive players get the cards we need to play the game with the best shot of winning. That means we're pretty much forced to own cards like Jace. If you don't understand that, you're simply not a competitive player. We lock into one deck after careful deliberation for the PTQ season. With that deck being banned, we'll have to spend another 200-300 dollars building yet another deck while losing out on a significant portion of our backend.
Here's the long and short of it folks. You guys beat us. You couldn't beat us on the court. You couldn't beat us playing the game we love. No... You cried to your momma long enough and loud enough to have them take away our toys. Then, instead of acting with a sense of decorum and having a shred of the sportsmanship grinders like myself have had every time we've beaten you... you celebrate and talk smack. As I said. This both amuses and disappoints me.
When I could have been unloading mine, I was helping out less resourceful locals loaning them. I figured Wizards had the ability to realize that Jace was NEVER the issue. He's good enough that if you want to run blue control, you need 4, just like mana leak or preordain. As a Cawblade player who has played several hundred matches, I found that Jace was an afterthought in the deck. Stoneforge was the keystone.
I fully anticipated Stoneforge or Batterskull bans as they are simply degenerate. I'm a college student. I pay my rent by playing this game.
You'll still be priced out of the format. Standard has a sort of equilibrium. With Jace gone, other mythics will all increase in value as they see more play. If you want to play RDW for instance, you better have your playset of koths, because he'll probably hit 35-40. Tezzeret will inflate to 40-50, and so on. I can guarantee that the best deck in the next month will be going for 400-500.
I'm sure that's why you're happy, but quite a few here just seem to be pleased at our suffering. Schadenfreude
Nobody Cares - there is no war between "these magic players" and "those magic players" -
Reading your posts, you are the eternal victim - You are so bummed about Jace? Win more "grinders" -
I bet you wear a orthopedic wrist support and tell everyone you know how you "aren't feeling well" if you sneeze within 5 minutes of waking up.
Time to take up gardening or stamp collecting, maybe you could get into that
ragajones
you clearly aren't educated when it comes to the culture of competitive play. Don't be so negative if you aren't fully informed. There are grinders who just play, study, practice and make money. It isn't much different than athletes who do the same thing.
Also, there are people who get a little happy from seeing the man with the goods lose it. I know a couple.
I'm not a grinder, nor did i lose much with the announcement. I just dislike ignorant, insensitive responses made by punks.
Yeah but they got many months out of Jace, which if they actually do it as an occupation, they should have got their returns on in that time. And If they are so competitive, they should also be skilled at being adaptive to changing conditions in the metagame. it's not like the high rollers who own 6 jaces dont also own playsets of every other legal card needed to change their decks.
It's about time, although its a little to late, why MTG can't just restrict cards and not ban them to balance things out in Standard?
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I was just annoyed at raga's attitude. I wasn't exactly standing up for the other guy. Your point about the months of profit obviously makes sense, btw.
I own x4 Jace and x4 SFM and guess what?
ITS TIME!!!
I don't feel bad about it at all, AT ALL!
The best part of magic (personally - and I bet there are a lot of players that would agree) is the CREATIVE aspect of the game - The only thing that wizards did wrong is make a broken card TRYING TO PLEASE US - so they went a little too far...prices shot up because it was good and everyone wanted it - Sure it is fun to win - but I would be willing to be that most people's highlights of the game came when some weird interaction of cards showed you something new and amazing that you have never seen before -
Now days there is the juggernaut and everything trying to dethrone the juggernaut - I paid full price for JTMS (however I did manage to get the SFM for 5 bucks each early) and I am STILL READY for something new...
I went to FNM 2 Fridays ago and I left my Cawblade deck in the backpack because I was working on something new with Tezzeret, (I got smoked by Caw Blade and others but actually got to see some new interactions)
The MagicScape has changed - deal with it, enjoy it, move on, embrace the new, love magic, forgive wizards, they really do put out an interesting thing that absorbs our energy and attention. and look for the next thing coming.
I predicted SFM - I never would have guessed Jace too - I am glad - I like the novelty of the unknown -
There are two kinds of posters - People who are hanging on to the past - and those who are anticipating what will rush in to fill the Standard Vacuum
"Anyone want some Jaces?" - Just kidding, gonna keep them as a souvenir for when I get that Jace tatoo done on your mom's a%*
Trolling infraction. Tone it down or you will be suspended.
Wow. I knew that people felt strongly about this kind of thing, but... wow. I honestly think that no one has any right, whatsoever, to complain. First, we sorta saw this coming. It's been talked about again and again.(That being said, I guess I flubbed when I payed about $30 for two more SFM's. Maybe I'll cry a little or complain to WoTC that I got ripped off) Second, Magic is a game. A game. Its a game. Um... a game. Thirdly, if you want to "invest," by all means do it, it's your money. Real investors know that there are risks. If you can't handle loss, you should not invest. Personally, I collect cards. I do try and buy things at a good price, and try to buy things that will appreciate in value, but at the core of it, I am buying cards because I like to play a trading card game. If you want to make money get a real job. Seriously: a real freakin' job. If you can make money playing cards, great. But if the loss of four or five hundred dollars of your nearly obsolete equipment puts you out of business, I feel you need to re-asses your business model.
Last and not least a word to the "grinders:" You guys come off sounding like dorks. If you're so bloody great at playing magic, you will be able to design the next top deck and get the cards before they shoot up in price right? I mean you are so smart and talented... Oh wait... You're just waiting for a real pro player to design a good deck and then you'll buy all the cards off e-bay, sleeve it up, and 'grind' with it... Right.
Good luck to all the real players of this great game in defining a fresh new meta over the next few weeks.
...not only is the total number of players expanding very quickly, but at the same time a greater and greater number of those players are being pushed to only desire a small subset of the available cards. These combined forces drastically increase demand for those cards and cause the values of just those specific cards to often balloon out of proportion.
Wow. I knew that people felt strongly about this kind of thing, but... wow. I honestly think that no one has any right, whatsoever, to complain. First, we sorta saw this coming. It's been talked about again and again.(That being said, I guess I flubbed when I payed about $30 for two more SFM's. Maybe I'll cry a little or complain to WoTC that I got ripped off) Second, Magic is a game. A game. Its a game. Um... a game. Thirdly, if you want to "invest," by all means do it, it's your money. Real investors know that there are risks. If you can't handle loss, you should not invest. Personally, I collect cards. I do try and buy things at a good price, and try to buy things that will appreciate in value, but at the core of it, I am buying cards because I like to play a trading card game. If you want to make money get a real job. Seriously: a real freakin' job. If you can make money playing cards, great. But if the loss of four or five hundred dollars of your nearly obsolete equipment puts you out of business, I feel you need to re-asses your business model.
Last and not least a word to the "grinders:" You guys come off sounding like dorks. If you're so bloody great at playing magic, you will be able to design the next top deck and get the cards before they shoot up in price right? I mean you are so smart and talented... Oh wait... You're just waiting for a real pro player to design a good deck and then you'll buy all the cards off e-bay, sleeve it up, and 'grind' with it... Right.
Good luck to all the real players of this great game in defining a fresh new meta over the next few weeks.
Amen Unquasable - spoken like a true sage - this is classic wisdom you speak - the term "grinders" sounds self-aggrandizing and arrogant - not to mention that the guy is trying to set up some sort of "war of wills" about the future of magic in which he gets to act offended. whatever.
Unquashable, You definitely called it like it is. I like the idea to
"Just enjoy yourself" -
and remember the first magic game you won, remember the first time you saw an amazing combo, remember the first time you built a deck specifically designed to beat your best friend (or whomever beat you bad enough for you to go home and plot)
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Who says there will be a "dominating deck?" No one is the correct answer. There will now be more diversity in standard.
memo to all "grinders" "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Sir Winston Churchill.
When cards hit the $100.00 mark or perhaps even less in standard EXPECT it to be possibly banned. There is a reason cards rise in value and it is possible it will get banned so think twice before investing and at the very least understand that the card could be banned very quickly after you buy it.
I am giving pearls here.
I didn't know Lebron James played magic the gathering.
Think perhaps about making a living doing something besides playing a game, then you won't be so distressed when a correct banning is made to make the GAME fun and varied again.
If you bought JTMS early you could've easily grinded your more expensive, more powerful deck and made your money back again.
its rock paper scissors again.
rock = control
scissors = valakut
paper = aggro
that, or control is rock paper and scissors still lol.
Go back and play some Urza block standard pre-bannings.
Rather than complaining most investors know that there are always conditions outside of their power to control that make investing inherently volatile. In magic you jsut know that potential bannings are one aspect of volatility. Plus he's still played in every other format he's legal in, so he will probably stabilize around 40 which is still nothing to scoff at for a 2.5x3 inch piece of cardboard. If you were investing skillfully you probably didn't pay much more than 50-60 for your jaces anyhow, so you shouldn't have lost that much. If you paid more than 70-75, then I suggest you rethink your investment methods. If you bought a playset simply to play with, then you were playing magic, not investing, and thus shouldn't be complaining about a lost investment.
I love how you're citing a single similarity, while ignoring major differences between the two situations.
For starters, there is the price difference between the products. Precons back then were about $10. The War of Attrition event deck is about $30.
Then there is the fact that the old precons were never touted as tournament worthy decks. It was a casual, entry level product, designed to get people accustomed to the game and showcase a few neat card interactions. It really wouldn't matter amongst the crowd those precons were designed for that a card was banned.
Then, there is the timing of the release. The old precons came out at the same time as the new set. Therefore, all the artifact lands and skullclamp were new to the scene, and not known entities. On the other hand, the card being banned in the event deck is a known powerhouse that has been standard legal for a year. It's also been talked about as ban-worthy, so when a player sees it in an event deck, he probably feels safe to purchase the product, because why in the world would they release something and then ban it two-weeks later? These aren't "emergency" bannings.
The rarities of the cards in question also make a big difference. Stoneforge is a chase rare, the artifact lands and skullclamp were commons and uncommon. Nobody was buying up all the Nuts & Bolts preconstructed decks back in the day to complete their playsets of Seat of the Synod.
Honestly, the differences between these two scenarios should actually illustrate EXACTLY why people are upset about the Stoneforge situation.
*Edit* And sorry if somebody already addressed this ridiculous post, didn't read the whole thread yet.
The people that should be upset are the local store owners, who just got screwed, and the FNM judges that now will have to deal with about 6 months of crap having to completely check someone's deck every time there's a SFM in it and having to explain to new players why the deck they bought that said it was FNM ready is not because they changed a couple cards in it.
If something absolutely HAD to be done, you could have simply brought back the restricted list, which should never have gone away.
Guess I'll be dusting off my Little Jaces...
I think it is lame how you portray yourself as a "grinder" and that "uncompetitive players" somehow laugh at you like you are some victim...
I have never played at more than a FNM and prereleases - I have a x4 of Jace and SFM - nobody cares about you or grinders (or whatever made up manufactured label you want to call yourself to paint yourself as "heroic humble victim")
Its just a game - to me, it doesn't sound like its fun for you so you should just quit and go do something else
"Grinders"....rolls eyes and walks away
Twice as boring because two cards are gone and now you have to rethink your archetypes? Perhaps you need to revaluate the way you look at the game if you feel this is true. And you arent stuck with anything: no one made you run out and purchase six, and no one says you cant sell them or play with them now (its playabl;e in any format it's legal in...). Don't blame wizards for choices you've made. And again, the nature of INVESTING is RANDOM AND VOLATILE FACTORS BEYOND YOUR CONTROL exist. Suck it up and move on. Also how much money have you made on your jaces via playing in PTQs?
This decision was made for the benefit of most people. Whenever something is done for the benefit of most, obviously some people will lose out.
this kind of analysis would be flawed:
For it to be more correct you'd have to put a use value on what you gained by playing with him for months. This outside of tournament winnings is subjective.
or maybe you guys shouldn't be treating playing magic as a form of occupation lol
I must say I feel the same way.
I have my conspiracy theory why (probably full of bullsh... anyhow it's at the bottom of this reply)
Well with all due respect; I think you just got it all wrong.
Yes, tectonic edge will destroy a valakut; yes, you can bug them a bit with discard (however, I wouldn't say yes about the countermagic, I'll explain under). At the end of the day, you will not bug them fast enough, imho.
Look at the other way: they can search for all 4 valakuts; but you will not be likely able search for all your tec edge. Also: what if they tec edge your tec edge?
Discard? You cannot make discard land; you can maybe make them discard the primeval titan; but how about: khalni heart expedition? cultivate? explore? and so on?
Countering the primeval? or worth the lotus? Well you're very likely to get a summoning trap against you. Which could lead to worth (primeval, an eldrazi dude, avenger of zendikar)...
My current deck doesn't run SFM (I do have a play set of her, I just didn't feel like building the same deck as everyone else); but I run JTMS.
I did play very often against Edrazi Ramp or Valakut Ramp deck.
With JTMS, I was often able to go fast enough through the deck to get spreading seas or tectonic edge... I must say, valakut is gonna be a heck of a lot stronger deck now.
My point is: yes, for each 1 card, there is at least 1 card you can put in your deck to respond to; the big difference, is: if on one side, they can tutor THAT card, and you cannot.
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So I've been thinking about the ban and why are they banning the cards now and not 6 months ago, a year ago...
Well a year ago; worldwake came out in February... If they were to ban it that quickly, they shouldn't have printed it to start with.
Regarding a potential ban from 6 months ago; I heard that they couldn't ban it because they would upset too many people who invested a lot in that particular card. Imagine the guy who bought a playset in november, spending close to $400 to heard that it was a waste of money.
Then why now? less than 3 months before it cycles out... (first expansion of the next big set is scheduled on September 30th)
Well, here is my theory: when new set appears, a couple of tier1/tier2 decks shift out, which leaves room for a new set of decks. Other decks based on the current expansion just get refactored and get an update with the newly release expansion.
Here is the problem: What tier1 decks are based on Mirrodin set?
Let me think:
caw-*? No, SFM is shifting out.
valakut? No the land is shifting out.
ramp? No lotus cobra, overgrown battlement are key card which are also ****ing out..
RUG? No JTMS, Lotus...
boros? No, landfall is from zendikar and is ****ing out...
...
infect? Oh wait, none of the infect deck are actually that good... (yet!)
And I can go on...
The closest thing of a mirrodin based playable deck IMHO is: wurmcoil + architect... And even so, it's currently using JTMS as a key card!!!
If you think about it, there are NO deck based on Mirrodin which are playable (in a sense of: having a chance to win) in major event!!!
What was about to happen is: in october, the whole meta would have changed completely! None of the current decks would have made it to the next tournament...
Banning JTMS and SFM seems to be their way to give people 3 months to explore the scars card and to try to come up with new type of decks...
To be fair, I do like this new mirrodin series, but this set as been more a complementary set to the zendikar one, rather than a set which brought many new decks to life..
UB Lazavm Dimir Mastermind BU
GW Rhys the RedeemedWG
WUG Derevi, Epyrial Tactitian GUW
WUG Roon of the Hidden RealmGUW
WBR Kaliaa of the VastRBW
WUB Sydri, Galvanic Genius BUW
Casual decks:
UB Ninja v2.1 BU
GU Simic's Fathom v0.9 UG
RGW Sarkhan's Seasoning v0.80 WGR
WR Chandra's Rebirth v0.3 RW
Nobody Cares - there is no war between "these magic players" and "those magic players" -
Reading your posts, you are the eternal victim - You are so bummed about Jace? Win more "grinders" -
I bet you wear a orthopedic wrist support and tell everyone you know how you "aren't feeling well" if you sneeze within 5 minutes of waking up.
Time to take up gardening or stamp collecting, maybe you could get into that
Troll Warning.
you clearly aren't educated when it comes to the culture of competitive play. Don't be so negative if you aren't fully informed. There are grinders who just play, study, practice and make money. It isn't much different than athletes who do the same thing.
Also, there are people who get a little happy from seeing the man with the goods lose it. I know a couple.
I'm not a grinder, nor did i lose much with the announcement. I just dislike ignorant, insensitive responses made by punks.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
Enter TezzControl, time to abuse metal craft.
I was just annoyed at raga's attitude. I wasn't exactly standing up for the other guy. Your point about the months of profit obviously makes sense, btw.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
ITS TIME!!!
I don't feel bad about it at all, AT ALL!
The best part of magic (personally - and I bet there are a lot of players that would agree) is the CREATIVE aspect of the game - The only thing that wizards did wrong is make a broken card TRYING TO PLEASE US - so they went a little too far...prices shot up because it was good and everyone wanted it - Sure it is fun to win - but I would be willing to be that most people's highlights of the game came when some weird interaction of cards showed you something new and amazing that you have never seen before -
Now days there is the juggernaut and everything trying to dethrone the juggernaut - I paid full price for JTMS (however I did manage to get the SFM for 5 bucks each early) and I am STILL READY for something new...
I went to FNM 2 Fridays ago and I left my Cawblade deck in the backpack because I was working on something new with Tezzeret, (I got smoked by Caw Blade and others but actually got to see some new interactions)
The MagicScape has changed - deal with it, enjoy it, move on, embrace the new, love magic, forgive wizards, they really do put out an interesting thing that absorbs our energy and attention. and look for the next thing coming.
I predicted SFM - I never would have guessed Jace too - I am glad - I like the novelty of the unknown -
There are two kinds of posters - People who are hanging on to the past - and those who are anticipating what will rush in to fill the Standard Vacuum
"Anyone want some Jaces?" - Just kidding, gonna keep them as a souvenir for when I get that Jace tatoo done on your mom's a%*
Trolling infraction. Tone it down or you will be suspended.
this. glad i just traded for 3 mox and 2 tezz
Last and not least a word to the "grinders:" You guys come off sounding like dorks. If you're so bloody great at playing magic, you will be able to design the next top deck and get the cards before they shoot up in price right? I mean you are so smart and talented... Oh wait... You're just waiting for a real pro player to design a good deck and then you'll buy all the cards off e-bay, sleeve it up, and 'grind' with it... Right.
Good luck to all the real players of this great game in defining a fresh new meta over the next few weeks.
Lol.
Add more content to your posts.
Amen Unquasable - spoken like a true sage - this is classic wisdom you speak - the term "grinders" sounds self-aggrandizing and arrogant - not to mention that the guy is trying to set up some sort of "war of wills" about the future of magic in which he gets to act offended. whatever.
Unquashable, You definitely called it like it is. I like the idea to
"Just enjoy yourself" -
and remember the first magic game you won, remember the first time you saw an amazing combo, remember the first time you built a deck specifically designed to beat your best friend (or whomever beat you bad enough for you to go home and plot)