Flag: Black with a flaming tree, on each branch is the symbol for a different tribe.
History:
When the white man first came to this land, they began to use the tribes differences to their advantage, pitting one tribe against another. One day, the cheifs of several tribes decided to make an alliance to protect against other tribes and the white man. Thus was born Arcadia. Over time, more tribes joined the alliance and the nation grew. The also got their scholars to make a new language that blended all of the native american languages known, using the most beautiful words from each.
The white man tried to break up the alliance with lies and deceit and trickery, but the will of one man, Oumboarda, or old one, held the nations together. they then launched a campeign for land against the white man and managed to drive them all the way to the sea. After the victory though, the leader of Arcadia died and the nation spit in several factions over meanless differences, one, keeping the name Arcadia and led by Oumboarda's son malalasi, or winged one, which is the land you see now.
This was about 20 years ago, they have spent the time up until now imporving their land and army.
The others were Aspananyae and Angrangae to the south, Imagania and menisitae to the north, kalamae and bala badasi to the west. Most of these went back to their traditional ways, keeping only a small amount of the arcadian ways around. They do however use the language. ([B]Those divide up most of the remaining American and canadian land. Is this ok for flavor porpouses?)
Capital and major citys
Minak
Deliman
Minikoto
Palasia
Population
20,001,136
Government style
Oligarchy
Leader Name
Malalasi Imparda Oumboarda
Military - 600,000
300,000 Braves, armed with bows and spears. Riders.
90,000 Thunder Braves, armed with winchesters and revolvers and swords. Riders.
60,000 Hunters, armed with whatever they want (mostly silent kill stuff). Highly trained, the best of the army. Riders.
30,000 officers, armed with whatever is the best... Riders.
10,000 garrison troops, also operate the 20 cannons.
30,000 naval crew, they man the 200 tireme-type ships, these are sleek vessels that are very fast. Made for ramming and boarding. Can hold 150 men each (50 attackers, 100 crew).
Its cool, though the only other Indian nation is the one on the great plains
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[Arcadianementai, shouldn't you have your population and stuff up now? There is one very complicated way to get your population, just google up a map, check which states your claim is in and just get the population and cut it in half.]
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History:
When the white man first came to this land, they began to use the tribes differences to their advantage, pitting one tribe against another. One day, the cheifs of several tribes decided to make an alliance to protect against other tribes and the white man. Thus was born Arcadia. Over time, more tribes joined the alliance and the nation grew. The also got their scholars to make a new language that blended all of the Native American languages known, using the most beautiful words from each.
The white man tried to break up the alliance with lies and deceit and trickery, but the will of one man, Oumboarda, or Old One, held the nations together. they then launched a campeign for land against the white man and managed to drive them all the way to the sea. After the victory though, the leader of Arcadia died and the nation spit in several factions over meanless differences, one, keeping the name Arcadia and led by Oumboarda's son Malalasi, or Winged One, which is the land you see now.
The others were Aspananyae and Angrangae to the south, Imagania and Menisitae to the north, Kalamae and Bala Badasi to the west. Most of these went back to their traditional ways, keeping only a small amount of the arcadian ways around. They do however use the language. (Those divide up most of the remaining American and Canadian lands. Is this ok for flavor purposes?)
Population
Approximately 10,000,000 last Tribal Census.
Military:
You'll have to decide this for yourself, unless you want me to do it. Which I can.
Obviously looking at your population, you can have a max of 300,000 troops right now, which is big for a Native American army...really really big...
But technology? Looking at your history, no too many rifles or cavalry, barely any artillery, maybe a few you captured...Mostly Native American braves...
Here's how I'd do it, you can use it or do it yourself:
EDIT: gotta look over that again... Plus its alternate history, so its not necesarily the same as what happned...
1,520,000 is less than 3%...
Alternate history still needs some sort of logic, Native Americans simply don't appear out of nowhere. My numbers are accurate.
Yours are totally, totally, totally inaccurate.
We're talking about Native Americans in those areas, I looked at tribes only from those areas. We're talking about after having defeated Westerners...
Estimates ****ing range for like 40-50 million people for THE ENTIRE AMERICAS! And we're talking about a tiny bit of it, after war! You can't ****ing just take the modern state populations, we're talking about Native Americans...
Listen, alternate history or not, 40 million Native Americans do not ****ing magically materialize.
I'll do it for you if you want. I'm bored. And I'm a student so I don't work hard for a living or anything. WHAT IS "WORK"?
Mind finding me a flag if you've got nothing better to do?
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Supposedly its based on the land you control and dividing the pop in half...thats what I did.
Please don't take that tone with me.
I don't think the rules should vary that much because I like natives...
I damn well will take that tone with you because you're being horribly inaccurate, and it should vary because your POPULATION IS MADE UP OF NATIVES!
You're using populations based on the idea that the Westerners did colonize the Americas for an alternate history where they did not! :xd:
Because of that, your population would be extremely extremely decreased.
Perhaps dealing with nations that aren't based on massive population movement, like Russia and all the other nations, that rule does apply, but your whole thing is based on the idea that the Westerners, the Europeans are not included.
A fair number would be 10 to 20 million (And 20 million is stretching it...)
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20 mil is fine, but you still don't have to take that tone...
I just did what the rules say, I might have changed it to accomodate the lifestyle of the people, you never know.
Im not an idiot just because im not you.
Well, you're certainly unrealistic and inaccurate because you're not me...:p
And your welcome for the flag and map and organized thing, you should edit all those in. It makes it look nice. I was lucky to find a flag matching your description as well...And yeah, 20 million is fine...50 million was just really really bad...I mean, alternate history or not, tens and tens of millions of native americans woudn't have just jumped out of nowhere.
You can still use the military date I provided (Since the weapons and such are accurate), I guess you'll just have to increase the numbers...
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OK, here is what im gonna do. The extra numbers (past 20 mill)are mostly the whites that they let in for some reason or another. The main difference is that they regulate all growth and the government is native controlled.
To get the guns they allowed several gunsmiths into the nation or something like that.
It's still totally illogical that there are 30,000,000 million white people welcomed in your nation.
They'd just band together and overwhelm your society...
Honestly, if you just want several gunsmiths and workers and such, a few hundred would make more sense.
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With litle to no industrialization, and little merchantile wealth, you probably should be a 4th teir economy.
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'Lo, there do I see my father. 'Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers. 'Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning. 'Lo, they do call to me. They bid me to take my place amongst them in the halls of Valhalla. Where the brave may live forever.
Buddah, they spent 20 years since the end of the war building up the society, so they got to a high 3rd teir level
Not realy. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your whole concept is that Arcadia is the 1st Nation rising up overthrowing colonial powers and going back to 'the old ways.' Massive tracts of free open land aside, the north american colonies were largely a financial burden for England, and you've largely abandoned the tech nesecery for extracting anything of wealth. This means no mines, no factories, no textiles, no rail roads, no nothing. Which in a global sense means you've got nothing worth trading for and no way to back up your currency. Your a 3rd world country man.
'Lo, there do I see my father. 'Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers. 'Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning. 'Lo, they do call to me. They bid me to take my place amongst them in the halls of Valhalla. Where the brave may live forever.
Nusantara wishes to form a military alliance and free trade agreement with the glorious nation of Arcadia for the purpose of ensuring the peace of the world.
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The Supreme Regent of Parsa wishes great prosperity for your brave nation and offers military alliance against any European imperialists, as we have had our share in Asia as well, and a free trade agreement wherein both our countries may be strengthened.
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Arcadia[/B]
Flag: Black with a flaming tree, on each branch is the symbol for a different tribe.
History:
When the white man first came to this land, they began to use the tribes differences to their advantage, pitting one tribe against another. One day, the cheifs of several tribes decided to make an alliance to protect against other tribes and the white man. Thus was born Arcadia. Over time, more tribes joined the alliance and the nation grew. The also got their scholars to make a new language that blended all of the native american languages known, using the most beautiful words from each.
The white man tried to break up the alliance with lies and deceit and trickery, but the will of one man, Oumboarda, or old one, held the nations together. they then launched a campeign for land against the white man and managed to drive them all the way to the sea. After the victory though, the leader of Arcadia died and the nation spit in several factions over meanless differences, one, keeping the name Arcadia and led by Oumboarda's son malalasi, or winged one, which is the land you see now.
This was about 20 years ago, they have spent the time up until now imporving their land and army.
The others were Aspananyae and Angrangae to the south, Imagania and menisitae to the north, kalamae and bala badasi to the west. Most of these went back to their traditional ways, keeping only a small amount of the arcadian ways around. They do however use the language. ([B]Those divide up most of the remaining American and canadian land. Is this ok for flavor porpouses?)
Capital and major citys
Minak
Deliman
Minikoto
Palasia
Population
20,001,136
Government style
Oligarchy
Leader Name
Malalasi Imparda Oumboarda
Military - 600,000
300,000 Braves, armed with bows and spears. Riders.
90,000 Thunder Braves, armed with winchesters and revolvers and swords. Riders.
60,000 Hunters, armed with whatever they want (mostly silent kill stuff). Highly trained, the best of the army. Riders.
30,000 officers, armed with whatever is the best... Riders.
10,000 garrison troops, also operate the 20 cannons.
30,000 naval crew, they man the 200 tireme-type ships, these are sleek vessels that are very fast. Made for ramming and boarding. Can hold 150 men each (50 attackers, 100 crew).
Economy
between 2nd and 3rd
Pacts
Allied:
Nusantara
Parsa
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for he is the messenger between the spheres
and the traveler between the realms of the living and the dead.
He shall summon forth the ancient ones
and wake them from their deathly slumber
then shall the elder signs be shattered.
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EDIT: its up.
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Name:
Arcadia
Flags:
Official Flag of Arcadia
Leader:
Malalasi, the Winged One
Government:
Oligarchy
Economy:
3rd Tier
History:
When the white man first came to this land, they began to use the tribes differences to their advantage, pitting one tribe against another. One day, the cheifs of several tribes decided to make an alliance to protect against other tribes and the white man. Thus was born Arcadia. Over time, more tribes joined the alliance and the nation grew. The also got their scholars to make a new language that blended all of the Native American languages known, using the most beautiful words from each.
The white man tried to break up the alliance with lies and deceit and trickery, but the will of one man, Oumboarda, or Old One, held the nations together. they then launched a campeign for land against the white man and managed to drive them all the way to the sea. After the victory though, the leader of Arcadia died and the nation spit in several factions over meanless differences, one, keeping the name Arcadia and led by Oumboarda's son Malalasi, or Winged One, which is the land you see now.
The others were Aspananyae and Angrangae to the south, Imagania and Menisitae to the north, Kalamae and Bala Badasi to the west. Most of these went back to their traditional ways, keeping only a small amount of the arcadian ways around. They do however use the language. (Those divide up most of the remaining American and Canadian lands. Is this ok for flavor purposes?)
Major Cities:
• Minak (Capital)
• Deliman
• Minikoto
• Palasia
Population
Approximately 10,000,000 last Tribal Census.
Military:
You'll have to decide this for yourself, unless you want me to do it. Which I can.
Obviously looking at your population, you can have a max of 300,000 troops right now, which is big for a Native American army...really really big...
But technology? Looking at your history, no too many rifles or cavalry, barely any artillery, maybe a few you captured...Mostly Native American braves...
Here's how I'd do it, you can use it or do it yourself:
500,000 Braves (Armed with tomahawks and spears)
100,000 Elite Braves (Armed with rifles and tomahawks)
10,000 Light Cavalry (Armed with war clubs, shortbows, tomahawks, and spears
5,000 Archers (Armed with short bows and throwing spears)
Pacts
Military:
Trade:
Neutrality:
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EDIT: gotta look over that again... Plus its alternate history, so its not necesarily the same as what happned...
1,520,000 is less than 3%...
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Alternate history still needs some sort of logic, Native Americans simply don't appear out of nowhere. My numbers are accurate.
Yours are totally, totally, totally inaccurate.
We're talking about Native Americans in those areas, I looked at tribes only from those areas. We're talking about after having defeated Westerners...
Estimates ****ing range for like 40-50 million people for THE ENTIRE AMERICAS! And we're talking about a tiny bit of it, after war! You can't ****ing just take the modern state populations, we're talking about Native Americans...
Listen, alternate history or not, 40 million Native Americans do not ****ing magically materialize.
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Mind finding me a flag if you've got nothing better to do?
Please don't take that tone with me.
I don't think the rules should vary that much because I like natives...
Im not having 1/5 of what the rules say I should have.... 1/2 mabey.
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I damn well will take that tone with you because you're being horribly inaccurate, and it should vary because your POPULATION IS MADE UP OF NATIVES!
You're using populations based on the idea that the Westerners did colonize the Americas for an alternate history where they did not! :xd:
Because of that, your population would be extremely extremely decreased.
Perhaps dealing with nations that aren't based on massive population movement, like Russia and all the other nations, that rule does apply, but your whole thing is based on the idea that the Westerners, the Europeans are not included.
A fair number would be 10 to 20 million (And 20 million is stretching it...)
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I just did what the rules say, I might have changed it to accomodate the lifestyle of the people, you never know.
Im not an idiot just because im not you.
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Well, you're certainly unrealistic and inaccurate because you're not me...:p
And your welcome for the flag and map and organized thing, you should edit all those in. It makes it look nice. I was lucky to find a flag matching your description as well...And yeah, 20 million is fine...50 million was just really really bad...I mean, alternate history or not, tens and tens of millions of native americans woudn't have just jumped out of nowhere.
You can still use the military date I provided (Since the weapons and such are accurate), I guess you'll just have to increase the numbers...
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To get the guns they allowed several gunsmiths into the nation or something like that.
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It's still totally illogical that there are 30,000,000 million white people welcomed in your nation.
They'd just band together and overwhelm your society...
Honestly, if you just want several gunsmiths and workers and such, a few hundred would make more sense.
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there are about 2 thou white people there, the rest past that are just random people, mostly to make the number look more natural.
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Oh, I get it...But what's:
20,009,277(from 50,738,554)
Mean?
Why still keep the 50 mill number there?
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Buddah, they spent 20 years since the end of the war building up the society, so they got to a high 3rd teir level.
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Not realy. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your whole concept is that Arcadia is the 1st Nation rising up overthrowing colonial powers and going back to 'the old ways.' Massive tracts of free open land aside, the north american colonies were largely a financial burden for England, and you've largely abandoned the tech nesecery for extracting anything of wealth. This means no mines, no factories, no textiles, no rail roads, no nothing. Which in a global sense means you've got nothing worth trading for and no way to back up your currency. Your a 3rd world country man.
The other nations that split off were the ones that went back to the old ways.
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Nusantara wishes to form a military alliance and free trade agreement with the glorious nation of Arcadia for the purpose of ensuring the peace of the world.
"Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." - Peter Ustinov
"To gain that which is worth having, it may be necessary to lose everything else." - Burnadette Devlin
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