Anyone having trouble vs TRON match ups?
I feel like they do everything, manaewise, faster than us. Sowing salt isn't fast enough imo....
tron is a very bad match up since they have way better inevitability while we have very few ways to interact with their threats, meanwhile we r bad at clocking our opponent. after they assemble their tron pieces it's like a tower defence with wave after wave of wurmcoil/karn/sundering titan/emrakul
hey everyone im struggling to find a really good 4 drop for the deck. Something that would sort of be our version of ajani vengeant a very versatile (both a fairly decent win condition, and something we can use to also stabilize) card that doesn't exceed 5 mana. i feel like it cant tap us out too much ( which is the problem with 5 mana.) I was thinking maybe a 4th cryptic but that alone cant really win a game. Does anyone have any good ideas?
o i c where u r getting at now, i decided not to pack geth's verdict maybe that's y im rarely short on black mana. for me early turns r all about double red and tripple blue for AoTG and cryptic, but I do love the instant speed on volcanic fallout though, relevant in the faeries/affinity MU, would u prefer fallout over AotG?
i dont think urborg is really necessary here, since I never had problem resolving an Ultimatum due to mana issue. and i've cut my land count to 25 and it still works pretty well. the land spot went to a MD batterskull.
this is what I'm currently running:
i recently discovered that some of my friends run 1-2 copies of Keranos, god of storm in their UWR control builds, and it improves their topdeck quality immensely since a resolved keranos cannot be answered by any main stream decks (other than RG Tron), I was wondering if that'd work for us as well, im going to experiment with 2 copies replacing my Steam Augury in my old build. Will start experimenting soon, but probably wont be able to put too many games in between my travels. Will post my list and how well it works (if it does...)
Some interesting choices main and board. Full 4 Spell Snare and a singleton Thoughtseize. I know Chromatic Lantern is an out for a resolved Blood Moon. But I have no idea what Commandeer is for.
I honestly could not understand many of the choices, other than the spellsnares and singleton seize, commandeer u've mentioned, inferno titan? wouldnt thundermaw hellkite do a better job? somebody plz enlighten me...
Is liliana of the veil just not good here?? I mean I know it's a control deck but the edict and a fog if that's all you get seems like a win to me...and also if your playing a considerable amount of flash back spells and snappy it seems like it would not hurt so much... I will admit I just jumped on this thread because the lists look enticing just thought I would throw this out there
i you really like a black walker somewhere in the list, i'd say liliana vess is a better choice than veil.
i wouldnt say forbidden alchemy is strictly better. while it is an excellent dig, it does not load your hand with numbers, i find myself constantly 1 for 1ing my opponent and runs out of cards/gas pretty quick, a lot of the times I just need that hand size in order to keep myself on top of the game. i understand that forbidden alchemy has a built in flashback option, but with snappy we can flash steam augury easily as well. it might seem bad, and in reality it is not a great card by itself by any means, but functions pretty well for me so far.
With this deck you should be only 1 for 1ing in the first turns, after that you use cards taht generate advantage, like electrolyze, think twice, command, snap bolt a dude and block the other... And a few urns later, the glorious carnage that is cruel ultimatum
i dunno how many times you run low on cards by the time you hit 7 lands and expect to topdeck a cruel, with only some dead card in hand, i.e. anger of the gods against control, electrolyze against tron, this was honestly what's happening to me all the time. I run 4 cryptics, 3 remands, 2 leaks and 2 snares 2 electrolyzes main, and 4 cryptics 3 remands 2 electrolyzes that's about all the draws i have besides 3 snappys and 2 cruels. i dont quite find myself out of answers though, since im heavy on permission spells, i counter more than answer. i just find that i really need to use this weird card to restock my hand. maybe it's because of my permission heavy build...
i wouldnt say forbidden alchemy is strictly better. while it is an excellent dig, it does not load your hand with numbers, i find myself constantly 1 for 1ing my opponent and runs out of cards/gas pretty quick, a lot of the times I just need that hand size in order to keep myself on top of the game. i understand that forbidden alchemy has a built in flashback option, but with snappy we can flash steam augury easily as well. it might seem bad, and in reality it is not a great card by itself by any means, but functions pretty well for me so far.
today my buddy gave me a suggestion: steam augury. this is the closest we have to fact or fiction in modern, and i guess while not a first pick card, 2 copies do their job quite well in my mainboard alongside 1 Jace AoT. refuels my hand, has great synergy with snappy, and is an instant. a lot better than think twice. i tried it a couple of games against my own 8rack piloted by friends, hatebears, pod, and affinity. i have to say this card has earned its spot in my MB.
just a thought, can we maybe use pack rat as a 1 or 2 of in our main list as an alternate wincon? it gets out of control pretty fast if not taken care of, can chump and clock our opponent. i will replace my 2 jaces with pack rats and see how they perform
Don't wanna jinx it but seems like we might get some veeeery good results for our good ol' deck this weekend. Props to that and the people who believe in the deck!
any cruel controls in day 2 minneapolis? havent been following up, would be cool to see some results!
the problem with tokens is that they are very resilient to sweepers, and they r a very bad MU for us, especially since most of them pack 6 targeted discards now. tokens is a consistent competitor in my meta and it feels like a free loss everytime i get matched against them.
any thoughts on illness in the ranks? fixes our MU against twin and tokens, possibly junk too (hoses lingering souls), which i think is an interesting option.
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tron is a very bad match up since they have way better inevitability while we have very few ways to interact with their threats, meanwhile we r bad at clocking our opponent. after they assemble their tron pieces it's like a tower defence with wave after wave of wurmcoil/karn/sundering titan/emrakul
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keranos, god of storms might wanna try this out
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this is what I'm currently running:
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I honestly could not understand many of the choices, other than the spellsnares and singleton seize, commandeer u've mentioned, inferno titan? wouldnt thundermaw hellkite do a better job? somebody plz enlighten me...
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i you really like a black walker somewhere in the list, i'd say liliana vess is a better choice than veil.
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i dunno how many times you run low on cards by the time you hit 7 lands and expect to topdeck a cruel, with only some dead card in hand, i.e. anger of the gods against control, electrolyze against tron, this was honestly what's happening to me all the time. I run 4 cryptics, 3 remands, 2 leaks and 2 snares 2 electrolyzes main, and 4 cryptics 3 remands 2 electrolyzes that's about all the draws i have besides 3 snappys and 2 cruels. i dont quite find myself out of answers though, since im heavy on permission spells, i counter more than answer. i just find that i really need to use this weird card to restock my hand. maybe it's because of my permission heavy build...
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any cruel controls in day 2 minneapolis? havent been following up, would be cool to see some results!
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