actually ill just pull back on everything since nothing is confirmed like you say, and just post all my tinfoil
1. Killjoy made the night kill and was blocked by you, in this case u arent scum, and I cant really deduce right now who would be scum with him
This is technically possible but feels unlikely to me. KJ was just so townie D1. And I have no grasp on who he could be buddies with.
2. Wuffles is actually the ninja, which would explain his weird reaction to me saying I tracked him to killjoy, in this case u are not scum
Mmmm that would make sense. But I just think wuffles is pretty townie. I'll take another look when I finally get around to rereading.
3. Vez is scum, and claimed he doctored u because the scum kill was stopped somewhere, which would in case there probably isnt a ninja
Why though? Neither tracker or Doc had claimed, what would scum!Vezok have to gain by fake claiming a visit to me before any investigatives had claimed targets or results. And why would the kill being blocked prompt him to want to target me?
4. Kami is scum, because hes posts suck ass, with Tom most likely
A. That's not tinfoil. B. It's a bit rude given what one of the K's said about his wife just having come out of surgery. C. They have been largely absent and I want more but I'm not in a rush right now. We have time and I don't want to rush to any conclusions.
Wisp I think you're town here. My point with Vezo is that he claimed before any investigates have. If he didn't actually target me last night that is super risky. If he isn't specifically the thief and knows that the Doc isn't in the game that is such an incredibly risky play.
Like I'm sorry I ticked you off but gut clears aren't clears, Vez is at least as clear as KJ and I are, but I'm not arguing any semantics here. Like I'm sorry you're angry, but read what I'm saying here.
And yeah I wasn't around at the EoD. I'm sorry. I went to a candlelight vigil ended up staying out. You better believe that I would have hammered KK if I'd been here. I hate no lynches with a passion and they are especially bad in this setup. We are so lucky we blocked a kill after that because if we hadn't we'd be in a Mylo on D2.
Wisp man what are you talking about? Why is KJ clear? Why am I clear? With there being two protects claimed and a chance a third was used we don't really know what happened to the kill.
I think Vezo claiming to target me before watcher and tracker claims happened makes him really townie. I agree Wuffles not using messenger last night is weird. Less weird than if it was a different for town and scum role but still weird. But Wuffles was so townie D1.
So I had this big case on Vezok put together and I was pretty sure he was scum. But he made the first claim. And I wasn't redirected. So he's probably just telling the truth because it would be super risky to lie about that. And I didn't receive a piece of bread or get RB'd, or die.
So the only unclaimed thing he could have done to visit me as scum is thief and that's possible but it would require him being the thief and no one (or his buddy but that is super risky) having the Doc/Redirect role. But it's a corner case and would probably require an intentional no kill from him, which seems super unlikely given the no lynch.
So like I think he's just town here. And wisp is just town here. And we probably blocked a kill. So that's a pretty awesome result for the night. KJ is still really townie behaviorally. Going to look at KamiKazin, tom, and Wuffles as I have time this afternoon.
Morning all. I'm the JK and targetted KJ. Actually shocked that Vez doc'd me. Appreciative but shocked. Have to figure out if that changes anything in my notes on Vez...
Haven't done the things I needed to do or read Vezok. Will try to tonight but no promises. I've got a thing tonight and I have no idea how long it will last.
Grape
Tbh, I like the very few posts ur slot has made... thats all it is, no reason to think your scum, or even focus you....
still dont get how my initial posts were scared...
and you know what, I did think about how town!wuffles, would interact with tom, and I also tried to compare Vez's tunneling and meta this game to his meta, in arkham, but tbh, its just wine, since i dont know how Wuffles plays scum, or how Vez plays scum... and being wrong 3 times doesnt mean you cant be right now.
i guess ill throw out a read list, not something I do often
ok with lynching:
Tom, Kami
Scummy imo but can resolve later:
Vez
Wuffles
Town:
Grape
Killjoy
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
Ohhh wait I had the VC wrong in my head. I thought Wisp made it a 3 vote tie between wuffles and KK not a 3 way 2 vote tie between wuffles, kk, and tom.
Going to reread Vezok in a bit. Have to go for now.
Anyway I don't live either wagon. Wuffles' push on tom is bad but the mindset behind getting upset at tom for not caring about wins and losses is really townie.
And KK is just completely absent. I can't associate a single idea with either head at this point.
So I feel like tom has one tell. And it's absence isn't something you can scum read him for but I've never seen him successfully fake it as scum (which of course he'll try to rectify at some point but he hasn't yet). It's a genuine excitement and clarity that shines through when he thinks he's cracking the game wide open. The most notorious example is him breaking gimmick in the game where he posted almost exlusively in flavor text. While I was scum I think it also showed early in Pirates mafia when he broke gimmick there too.
The closest I've seen him come to faking it is the off the grid game we were buddies together in. He bussed me early and won a final 3 posting some really clear game solving (and feeding on an otherwise impressive new to here players paranoia) but it lacked the enthusiasm part of it.
All of that preamble is to say I think we're seeing legit glimpses of it here. His worlds post and follow up with KJ just reads with excitment. As does his "surprise" at town reading KJ. I don't want to lock it in because he's not as clear as he was in my other examples but I do think the attitude is right in a way he struggles to fake. And it goes back to his not caring about wins or loses normally, it really shows when he gets caught up in the excitment of solving which manifests differently than his excitment at fooling people.
Town read on wuffles might be reachy but I'm really into it. I have this feeling that town!Wuffles is much more likely to get into it with tom over toms inscrutable style being anti town than scum wuffles. His posts about that read as righteous indignation that tom was making his life harder by not trying to be townie or caring about winning. It's the sort of thing I can see a competitive person getting on a high horse about. I don't think wuffles is making any compelling points about tom being scummy here but I think that playing against win condition outrage comes from town.
KJ is town because he's doing a bunch of the things he's been talking about trying to do to improve his town game. His unaligned pairs and asking Wisp for scum games reads like the guy who was frustrated about getting mislynched in the Arkham and Friends/Enemies dead chats.
And wisp despite looking scared as from that early wagon has settled down nicely. Apart from pushing wuffles there is a complete lack of agenda (other than being overly deferential to my slot which could be a pocket attempt but just doesn't feel like one).
Vezok feels wrong to me here. But I've incorrectly scum read him in lie 3 straight games now so I want to take it slowly.
Okay through page 4 and still reading but I have town reads on Wisp, KJ, and Wuffles.
Light scum read on Vezo.
Tom isn't a neutral read just more that I'm not sure what to make of his Wuffles 40% LW 30% completely wrong 25% worlds. I think he should be readable off that but I haven't dove into him closely yet.
This is technically possible but feels unlikely to me. KJ was just so townie D1. And I have no grasp on who he could be buddies with.
Mmmm that would make sense. But I just think wuffles is pretty townie. I'll take another look when I finally get around to rereading.
Why though? Neither tracker or Doc had claimed, what would scum!Vezok have to gain by fake claiming a visit to me before any investigatives had claimed targets or results. And why would the kill being blocked prompt him to want to target me?
A. That's not tinfoil. B. It's a bit rude given what one of the K's said about his wife just having come out of surgery. C. They have been largely absent and I want more but I'm not in a rush right now. We have time and I don't want to rush to any conclusions.
Like I'm sorry I ticked you off but gut clears aren't clears, Vez is at least as clear as KJ and I are, but I'm not arguing any semantics here. Like I'm sorry you're angry, but read what I'm saying here.
And yeah I wasn't around at the EoD. I'm sorry. I went to a candlelight vigil ended up staying out. You better believe that I would have hammered KK if I'd been here. I hate no lynches with a passion and they are especially bad in this setup. We are so lucky we blocked a kill after that because if we hadn't we'd be in a Mylo on D2.
I think Vezo claiming to target me before watcher and tracker claims happened makes him really townie. I agree Wuffles not using messenger last night is weird. Less weird than if it was a different for town and scum role but still weird. But Wuffles was so townie D1.
I need to reread and I really can't be bothered.
So the only unclaimed thing he could have done to visit me as scum is thief and that's possible but it would require him being the thief and no one (or his buddy but that is super risky) having the Doc/Redirect role. But it's a corner case and would probably require an intentional no kill from him, which seems super unlikely given the no lynch.
So like I think he's just town here. And wisp is just town here. And we probably blocked a kill. So that's a pretty awesome result for the night. KJ is still really townie behaviorally. Going to look at KamiKazin, tom, and Wuffles as I have time this afternoon.
I'll get to that in a bit.
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
Going to reread Vezok in a bit. Have to go for now.
And KK is just completely absent. I can't associate a single idea with either head at this point.
The closest I've seen him come to faking it is the off the grid game we were buddies together in. He bussed me early and won a final 3 posting some really clear game solving (and feeding on an otherwise impressive new to here players paranoia) but it lacked the enthusiasm part of it.
All of that preamble is to say I think we're seeing legit glimpses of it here. His worlds post and follow up with KJ just reads with excitment. As does his "surprise" at town reading KJ. I don't want to lock it in because he's not as clear as he was in my other examples but I do think the attitude is right in a way he struggles to fake. And it goes back to his not caring about wins or loses normally, it really shows when he gets caught up in the excitment of solving which manifests differently than his excitment at fooling people.
Town read on wuffles might be reachy but I'm really into it. I have this feeling that town!Wuffles is much more likely to get into it with tom over toms inscrutable style being anti town than scum wuffles. His posts about that read as righteous indignation that tom was making his life harder by not trying to be townie or caring about winning. It's the sort of thing I can see a competitive person getting on a high horse about. I don't think wuffles is making any compelling points about tom being scummy here but I think that playing against win condition outrage comes from town.
KJ is town because he's doing a bunch of the things he's been talking about trying to do to improve his town game. His unaligned pairs and asking Wisp for scum games reads like the guy who was frustrated about getting mislynched in the Arkham and Friends/Enemies dead chats.
And wisp despite looking scared as from that early wagon has settled down nicely. Apart from pushing wuffles there is a complete lack of agenda (other than being overly deferential to my slot which could be a pocket attempt but just doesn't feel like one).
Vezok feels wrong to me here. But I've incorrectly scum read him in lie 3 straight games now so I want to take it slowly.
Light scum read on Vezo.
Tom isn't a neutral read just more that I'm not sure what to make of his Wuffles 40% LW 30% completely wrong 25% worlds. I think he should be readable off that but I haven't dove into him closely yet.
KK had made 0 impression.