KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just cause I don't want to have a lynch in 4 posts.
and what were u afraid of? did you really think someone was gunna hammer this early?
Tom
if you say so
vote: Vezok
ill be back later
If you were at three votes instead of two I would've hammered. I thought it wouldn't be a fun game if someone got lynched in the first four posts of the game so I unvoted, because if I thought this someone else might think the same.
But yeah, you're scum and I regret unvoting.
vote last
Lets look at this post for a sec. He would have hammered if last was at 3 votes because 'it would have been fun to lynch someone in 4 posts'. That is not a townie mindset.Especially with the game being so small. We don't have much room for error. This is also bad due to thefact that Last is confirmed, so we know he's pushing this on town.
And I'm more annoyed that you didn't give a reason I could be scum than you calling me surly.
Also Vote tom
This vote inspires so much confidence.
u are just shading at this point, choosing to ignore your posts would be petty, something tells your opinion will never change unless one of me or killjoy gets lynched today
You're actually right. I'm tunneling way too hard and there's a big chance I'm wrong. At this moment last/killjoy makes the most sense as a scumteam for me, but last's posts are hard to decipher. I've seen some scummy things and almost no townie things from him, but the way he is approaching this game make me think he might not be scum. There was real pressure on him and then it dissipated and he's playing about the same. I still can't shake the feeling that he is panicked as scum caught for the wrong reasons in the beginning.
Killjoy is just scum, because that's the way he is. That tom vote is highly opportunistic while at the same time buddying up to wuffles. It might just be killjoy playing his regular game, but something still feels off about him.
I wish Rumanashi and KamiKazin would post more and get more involved, because I have almost no read on them and there's that nagging feeling that I'm wrong about last and Kami is actually scum. Ruma gave some town glimpses although you can never be sure there.
All I know is that Wuffles and tom are strong town for me and it would take a pretty great case to convince me otherwise.
Now lets look at this one. Firstly, he starts by talking directly to last, then switches to third person. As if rehashing a narritive he's constructed instead of actually talking about his actual thoughts to last.(Like, he starts with 'you're' and continues by saying 'last/kj scumteam, last's posts, almost no townie things from him, etc' despite that post being directed to last). Then there's the part about me. I'm 'just scum' again with no real reasoning, and my vote on tom is 'opportunistic and buddying to wuffles' the first of which is unexplained and the second is just bad. Voting the same person as someone else isn't buddying.
@KJ: Yes. Dead bodies after day 1 are always better. Right now all the active players have different reads and we can't come to a consensus. Having bodies flipped would help narrow the scumteam.
I was scum in the last mini played here (grape was the mod), Pirates mafia and Prison Block mafia.
This is just actually false. Dead town is not better than no lynch here, especially given the mechanics of this game.
However, given this is kinda true OTHER TIMES, this is a more minor point. The whole "I won't hammer Wuffles, except I will now if we hit deadline" one post apart bugs me.
I feel like last is town just for the claim. Tom seems like he has no external info.
Grape is town cause I protected him.
The leaves Kami, wuffles and killjoy.
I really think it's kami/killjoy.
In normal circumstances I'd be ok with me getting lynched to confirm grape as town, but he'll just get killed tonight and we end up with nothing.
Also I protected grape cause he was my second steongest townread after wuffles and I thought there is no chance for the scum to NK wuffles.
End of D1, Vezok snapvoted Kami, claiming that the slot needed death. Now, his 'urge to kill kami is rising' which seems to indicate it wasn't already at it's peak. If he's iwlling to snapvote Kami at the end of D1, why say something like 'urge to kill kami is rising' here?
I'm gonna put this here too, as well as in the spoiler. Special attention.
Vezok has been calling Wuffles town all game, various ways. It's his strongest town read. But, unquestioningly, he throws this vote on him. If my biggest townread had done what Wuffles had done, I'd question it. That's what happens when you're actually townreading someone. You double check things like this.
Another special case. Tom is supposed to be his other top town read. And yet, here he is in his lynchpool. (This is the only real hard evidence I have against a tom/Vezok team btw).
@Last: In a world where you aren't scum, I'd imagine the scum team would in kamikazin/rumanashi/killjoy. But Rumanashi feels town this game. And Kami/Kazin is a big null for me.
@vez I seem to be missing. Especially considering you think wuffles is town and are talking about the (Still unlikely) hypothetical in which last is town
The one where I said everyone else except last and killjoy are town for me.
This is kind of a lesser point, but Vezok totally forgets Tom in his "reasoned" (I say that lightly) list. Vezok tries to play it off saying "Oh no I mentioned you in my "everyone but kj and last are scum, everyone else town" post... but no he totally forgot he was supposed to be reading tom too.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Why would you flipping town confirm Tom, Vezok? He claimed to see you AFTER EVERYONE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED TARGETS. And no one claimed Motivated so it was a safe claim.
I seriously think tom and you are scum together though. He never saw you target Grape, and you never doc'd him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm pretty sure the scum claimed the town variant of their roles.
Notice how Tom claimed watcher after everyone claimed targets. He's a thief. Vezok is a redirector. Either I was the kill or there wasn't one. Vezok claimed the doc on grape so I wouldn't be confirmed town.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Watcher. Targeted grape. Saw vezok and only vezok.
So:
-Grape was targeted for kill by exactly ninja
-kj was the target of kill
-kj tried to perform the kill
-bulletproof was the kill
-intentional no kill (idr who said it but that would probably be scum vezok. Both positionally and by claim. But he did target grape so... Probably not vezok?)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What's your read on vezok?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/search?by-author=vezokpiraka&page=3&search-thread-id=794257
Lets look at this post for a sec. He would have hammered if last was at 3 votes because 'it would have been fun to lynch someone in 4 posts'. That is not a townie mindset.Especially with the game being so small. We don't have much room for error. This is also bad due to thefact that Last is confirmed, so we know he's pushing this on town.
Now lets look at this one. Firstly, he starts by talking directly to last, then switches to third person. As if rehashing a narritive he's constructed instead of actually talking about his actual thoughts to last.(Like, he starts with 'you're' and continues by saying 'last/kj scumteam, last's posts, almost no townie things from him, etc' despite that post being directed to last). Then there's the part about me. I'm 'just scum' again with no real reasoning, and my vote on tom is 'opportunistic and buddying to wuffles' the first of which is unexplained and the second is just bad. Voting the same person as someone else isn't buddying.
However, given this is kinda true OTHER TIMES, this is a more minor point. The whole "I won't hammer Wuffles, except I will now if we hit deadline" one post apart bugs me.
End of D1, Vezok snapvoted Kami, claiming that the slot needed death. Now, his 'urge to kill kami is rising' which seems to indicate it wasn't already at it's peak. If he's iwlling to snapvote Kami at the end of D1, why say something like 'urge to kill kami is rising' here?
I'm gonna put this here too, as well as in the spoiler. Special attention.
Vezok has been calling Wuffles town all game, various ways. It's his strongest town read. But, unquestioningly, he throws this vote on him. If my biggest townread had done what Wuffles had done, I'd question it. That's what happens when you're actually townreading someone. You double check things like this.
Another special case. Tom is supposed to be his other top town read. And yet, here he is in his lynchpool. (This is the only real hard evidence I have against a tom/Vezok team btw).
Why Vezok and tom are scum together
Oh hey tom is 'strong town' all ofa sudden, without any progression.
More unexplainedness. Tom never asks why this is the case.
I hope that wasn't a hammer. I'll work on the tom only one after D&D
Vote Vezok
Vezok is for sure scum. Wuffles very likely isn't. Kami COULD be but he's like. 3rd for me after tom/Vez.
I seriously think tom and you are scum together though. He never saw you target Grape, and you never doc'd him.
Notice how Tom claimed watcher after everyone claimed targets. He's a thief. Vezok is a redirector. Either I was the kill or there wasn't one. Vezok claimed the doc on grape so I wouldn't be confirmed town.
And tbf PoE isn't tight till all the scum are dead.
Like actually wtf?
Need to rethink.