@Deaddrift: I actually think that looks pretty good, I'm a fan of md All is Dust. I really like Strangler and am not sure I want to drop below 3, but maybe I am just getting luckier w/ the order I get my cards in. The way I see it, worst case scenario Strangler is a 3/2 on turn 2 or 3, not amazing, but a good trading body against aggro, and against most other things he comes out anyway. I would also strongly push for 2 Celestial Purge in the SB. It is good against so much of modern and is only going to get better in the future.
Post OGW we're actually going to need lands that can produce colorless to cast our creatures. This makes Blood Moon much better against us. The reason I feel BW is the strongest variation going forward is we are the best grind/midrange of the three top versions and have the best answers to problem matches like Tron and problem cards like Moon.
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I don't know, it looks like a good list but strangler and souls have both been really good for me, especially against aggro decks like affinity and infect (harder matches for us) while i can see going down on the numbers im hesitant to eliminate the cards entirely. I also want to do more testing w/ the new eldrazi. Im leaning towards thought-knot seer and reality smasher being the big adds but i still think displacer may warrant a 1 of spot. Only testing will tell
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GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Thanks for all the immediate feedback! This is a very raw list based solely on some goldfishing w/ proxies of the new cards (-thought-knot, I just like him that much).
Ok good, moving up to 3 eyes had been my gut reaction but I wasn't sure now that we have so many more playables. I was unsure about surgical/extirpate. I really like having them md for the linear decks but perhaps a 2 of of Spellskite would be better?
I have been on 3 O-sowers for a while and been liking it. It is certainly a powerful card but (relatively few) initial tests have made me like a single Reality Crusher over a 4th Sower, it's been good enough that I could even see going up on that number.
@ n00b king: After initially being excited I too am unsold on the sac eldrazi, Eye doesn't work w/ his ability so he is realistically a 2/1 4 drop that cant block and doesn't help us against affinity or tron (even if he does edict on cast). I am also however still unsold on map. I think we now have a bigger reason to play it than we did before but I just feel there are so many other things I'd rather be doing w/ the turn/mana I'd use on map.
Last: I tested w/ Endbringer and I don't think we want it. Not because it is bad, we simply have a plethora of better options. It is a testament to how spoiled we are w/ this archetype that a versatile card like Endbringer isn't good enough
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Just a statement. I have pretty much been the loudest and most vocal champion of Tidehollow Sculler for this strategy. I like it as a card and think it is very good in this deck. Now that I've cleared that up, I am absolutely dropping all my copies of sculler to play thought-knot seer.
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I really like reality smasher but i think it is better for br and monoB than it is for us. Just because they are more aggro and rampy than we are. I still definitely think it's wirth a spot, im just not sure where it fits in this strategy.
I really like lingering souls in this deck and it has been consistently good for me, but i also like sculler and think I probably play more colored sources than others seem to.
I have to say i like the idea of md censor. I tried a couple in the side and they were good. But since we already play path and gq md i could definitely see the argument for a md inclusion.
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I'm curious how many people are playing Drown in Sorrow in the SB and if so how many. I'm looking at Flaying Tendrils but reading the updated primer (great job to all of you involved btw) made me realize that since I'm not using Drown why am I thinking FT is so much better? How good has it been for people and is it worth potentially wiping out your stranglers/souls/scions?
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Yeah I feel Cavern is much much better for us than crossroads. Maybe if a few more bonkers devoid cards are printed (doubtful) some odd deck will want it but I'm currently pretty sure we dont.
@Complex Pants: I fully agree w/ you about the Tron matchup and BW strength against it. I still think one of our best weapons against tron is the GQ+Surgical Extraction combo and W gives us better ways to stall and more time to find that combo.
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GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
The good:
-White eldrazi hype
-can come down as early as turn 2
-can protect your other guys from removal, take out the twin combo, stop problem creatures from attacking/blocking, and get repeat usage out of stranglers and scullers
The bad:
-dies to bolt/decay
-depending on when it comes down you may not be able to use its ability right away
-can't protect itself
Conclusion, i do like it, but im not sure where it fits into our deck, or what i'd take out for it. I want to test both but i think you either play this or endbringer as a kind of flex eldrazi 1 of in the md
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I also really like all is dust as a md 1-of, sure you can't play it turn 3, but in WB you can durdle and stall until turn 5-7 when you can play it. And when all is dust is good it's REALLY good.
@CerealKyra: I like Endbringer and will test him as a 1-of in WB. WorldBreaker and Obligator are both decent in my opinion, but are not in the colors that I like for this archetype. They are definitely tools that the BG and BR versions can look into however. As for Kozilek I think Newlamog is probably better for our purposes. I'm sure there is some variation of the deck that might want Kozilek instead but as lists stand now I think Ula is more what we want as our big curve-topper threat. As for the rest of the OGW eldrazi nothing has really impressed me as yet, but I'm waiting for more spoilers and remaining hopefully optimistic.
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So this is being discussed on the B<> thread but a BW version of processors piloted by Dilks just finished 12-3 in 10th place at SCG. I feel that is a very strong showing from such a new deck and gives me even more confidence that BW is the correct direction to take w/ this archetype (for my play style at any rate).
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^ Exactly this, there are also the (less infrequent than you'd think) cases where players will bolt/abrupt decay sculler in response to your casting it, which allows you to still exile a card while ignoring the return trigger upon sculler's demise. While this is a mistake opponents only tend to make once, for that one instance it essentially makes sculler a castigate that also makes them discard an instant speed removal.
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RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Post OGW we're actually going to need lands that can produce colorless to cast our creatures. This makes Blood Moon much better against us. The reason I feel BW is the strongest variation going forward is we are the best grind/midrange of the three top versions and have the best answers to problem matches like Tron and problem cards like Moon.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Ok good, moving up to 3 eyes had been my gut reaction but I wasn't sure now that we have so many more playables. I was unsure about surgical/extirpate. I really like having them md for the linear decks but perhaps a 2 of of Spellskite would be better?
I have been on 3 O-sowers for a while and been liking it. It is certainly a powerful card but (relatively few) initial tests have made me like a single Reality Crusher over a 4th Sower, it's been good enough that I could even see going up on that number.
@ n00b king: After initially being excited I too am unsold on the sac eldrazi, Eye doesn't work w/ his ability so he is realistically a 2/1 4 drop that cant block and doesn't help us against affinity or tron (even if he does edict on cast). I am also however still unsold on map. I think we now have a bigger reason to play it than we did before but I just feel there are so many other things I'd rather be doing w/ the turn/mana I'd use on map.
Last: I tested w/ Endbringer and I don't think we want it. Not because it is bad, we simply have a plethora of better options. It is a testament to how spoiled we are w/ this archetype that a versatile card like Endbringer isn't good enough
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Second, I'm posing up my current tentative decklist post OGW, love to hear feedback from anyone who has a moment.
2 Eldrazi Displacer
3 Thought-knot seer
1 Ulamog the Ceaseless hunger
1 Reality Crusher
3 Oblivion Sower
4 Blight Herder
3 Wasteland Strangler
Artifacts:
4 Relic of Progenitus
2 Thoughtsieze
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 All is dust
4 Lingering Souls
Instant:
4 Path to Exile
1 Extirpate
1 Surgical Extraction
Lands:
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Eye of Ugin
1 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
2 Caves of Koilos
2 Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Plains
2 Swamps
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/bearerofsilence.jpg
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I really like lingering souls in this deck and it has been consistently good for me, but i also like sculler and think I probably play more colored sources than others seem to.
I have to say i like the idea of md censor. I tried a couple in the side and they were good. But since we already play path and gq md i could definitely see the argument for a md inclusion.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
@Complex Pants: I fully agree w/ you about the Tron matchup and BW strength against it. I still think one of our best weapons against tron is the GQ+Surgical Extraction combo and W gives us better ways to stall and more time to find that combo.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
The good:
-White eldrazi hype
-can come down as early as turn 2
-can protect your other guys from removal, take out the twin combo, stop problem creatures from attacking/blocking, and get repeat usage out of stranglers and scullers
The bad:
-dies to bolt/decay
-depending on when it comes down you may not be able to use its ability right away
-can't protect itself
Conclusion, i do like it, but im not sure where it fits into our deck, or what i'd take out for it. I want to test both but i think you either play this or endbringer as a kind of flex eldrazi 1 of in the md
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
@CerealKyra: I like Endbringer and will test him as a 1-of in WB. WorldBreaker and Obligator are both decent in my opinion, but are not in the colors that I like for this archetype. They are definitely tools that the BG and BR versions can look into however. As for Kozilek I think Newlamog is probably better for our purposes. I'm sure there is some variation of the deck that might want Kozilek instead but as lists stand now I think Ula is more what we want as our big curve-topper threat. As for the rest of the OGW eldrazi nothing has really impressed me as yet, but I'm waiting for more spoilers and remaining hopefully optimistic.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I was wondering about the deck list too, I asked the same question and was told they would go online later today so I guess just keep our eyes open.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"