I could see the deck running a couple bloodbraid.
Anyway, how do we board against control? Off the top of my head I was thinking something like -3 bonfire -2 beast within -2 birds // +3 relic + 2 baloth + 1 thrun + 1 dismember. Assuming one ran a sideboard/mainboard with those things.
Okay, dis a tricky question. The way I personally sideboard is bringing in cards I think are good. Then cutting cards in order of what I think are worst in the match up. I know it sounds heaps obvious but the 2 important things in play here ae that I'm focusung on whats comming in, rather than whats getting cut, and that I don't swap out average cards for other average cards.
Anyway, against deaths shadow I like Chameleon colossus, relics, groffdongers codge. Cards I dislike are Bonfire, Chandra and stnerain. So I cut them in that order. If I suspect young pdiddy I bring in anger, and MAYBE keep some bonefire.
Against U/W I like Thrun, Relics, Codge and sometimes, just sometimes anger (if you suspect pdiddy in a jeskai variant or if they play geist)
I dislike Bonefire in non pyro geist builds, Baloth, Chameleon colossus and inferno titan isn't great here. Stonerains are good because they rely heavily on man lands and beast within is great because it deals with Dsphere, search for Azacantanazaza, Walkers and 4/4 flying vigilance mofos.
Surely it's okay to discus how our lists would look if BBE were to be unbanned after rivals of Ixalan?
The biggest problem in our deck is the problem Naya Lightsaber had. Dorks. Hitting a dork or sprawl would feel bad. Can we not play those cards? I think the answer is no. BBE is't right for our build of LD.
Yeah, **** nissa, but I disagree on pia and Kiran, and somewhat huntmaster. In games where you have locked your opponent out the fatties are better, but in live games, Pia and Kiran are monsterous!
I think the dragon theme is cool. My suggestions would be test with only 21 or 22 lands, cut cinderglades for basic forests, and play some chandras instead of 2 mainboard angers and World render. Your deck looks sweet though, Thunderbae will always have a place in my heart.
Control. I like relics. **** snapcaster mage. Also helps in a topdeck war. Matchup is good for us anyway
Burn. You are making a CLASSIC mistake here. Unless it's mono red burn keep your moons IN!!! They play no plains or forests. My other deck is burn and moon beats us up bad. I have won so many games against burn where I have mooned them and it saved me from 3 or 4 burn spells. Take out all the moss and the some stonerains instead.
Deaths shadow. Put in relics. Pop them early and often. You can take away their ability to T2/T3 tas/fish. Also cripples snaps. Cut bonefires, and LD. But bear in mind Chandra and Garruk aren't the best here, as they can be hit by stubby d.
Abzan. Your plan seems fine. Maybe bring in anger if they are more low to the ground and ligering souls based.
Tron. Bonefires out, trinisheres and a single grudge in.
Scapeshift. Bring in fracturing gust, maybe ancient grudge as well. They play artifacts and enchantments out of the board like prismatic omen or cruciable of worlds. Also some are moving to chalice.
Affinity. I don't love finks here. Maybe keep 3 stone rains in, can be relevant if you don't hit a moon, or if you use it to destroy a citadel under a moon.
I like your board for the next 3 matchups, I would bring in trinisphere against zoo.
No Mwonvuli Acid Moss? Ok, why not
No Thragtusk? I m so in love with it, I can't imagine my deck without it
No sweeper maindeck and 1 bonfire sb seems too few for certain matchups.
"Game 1 I have a dork, and 3 pieces of LD."
Quite lucky with only 4 Stone Rain and 2 BW
2 Birds of Paradise :
I understand how Birds is better now, thanks to Tireless Tracker, it allows us to drop it turn 2, and to negate the drawback of having bad top decks, since we draw much more with TT and C,ToD
I'll try your list, I'll just go on a 1 Baloth 1 Thrag split, and I may replace Ooze by Trinisphere MB.
3sphere is great against Storm and Living End, as can be Ooze too (maybe too slow), and can help other matchups like Ad Nauseam, Burn, Instant Reanimator
3Sphere isn't a beater, that's the only point Ooze might be better imo. + 3Sphere is sacable for P&K, might be irrelevant, but eh, in the lategame...
Reminder, for people using 3sphere, Delve mechanic bypasses it, so it's not that great against GDS, or at least, not that awesome, still great.
Did P&K Nalaar synergise well with Clue Token ? Or is it just cheesy
Have you find yourself sacing Clue to ping anything ?
I think tragtusk could be better in some matchups than Baloth, but worse in the one tha counts (burn obvs)
I don't like moss, what else can I say? I find it too slow for my taste, and just as bad as stone rain as a top deck late game.
I was playing 2 beast within, so double stone rain + BW isn't THAT much of a stretch, but yes, that game vs storm was a gift from god, and I 100% agree I should have had at least double anger in the board.
No, I never pinged a clue at people, only thops. However, I drew MANY cards. Tracker really smashed that eldrazi and taxes player.
Excuse the back to natures. There is a group who play at my LGS who have a boggles deck they like to share between them from night to night while the others play their real decks, just to mess with us. They also break out lantern from time to time the hateful hateful *****.
Before the event I played a bunch of practice games against a mates sultai midrange deck for 4-1 in games. Deck felt good, tracker felt good.
Round 1. B/W Eldrazi and taxes.
Not much to say, game 1 I mooned him turn 3 then slammed a tracker which drew me 10000000 cards and killed him. Game 2 I didn't moon him, and was flooded heavily, but drawing a tracker saved the day, I went down to 4 life but stabalized with a 2nd tracker and drew 1 million cards as they became huge and killed him easily.
1-0
Round 2. Grixis deaths shadow.
Game 1 he did the thing where I get my had shredded and then a pair of 7/7s kill me real quick. Game 2 I keep the Baloth dream hand, (utopia sprawl, baloth, 5 land) and sure enough he thoughtsizes. I get a free baloth and back it up with pia and kiran into STORMBAE!!!! 1-1. Round 3 was an attritional oppening, with an elf getting pushed and a moon getting sized. But turn 4 chameleon colosssus into urn 5 chameleon colosssus is just unbeatable. I waited til I had a board of pia and kiran + thops and a stormbae to block with so I wouldn't die to a double snapcaster blocking each of my colossus. 2-1 to me!!!
2-0
Round 3. Gifts storm.
Game 1 I have a dork, and 3 pieces of LD. I destroy 3 lands and kill him. Sweet dreams are made of these. 1-0 Game 2 I LD him a bit and moon him and am scoozing his key cards out of his bin , but on turn 5 he slams an island, then a baral. He has 1 red mana open..... ritual, ritual, ritual, manamorphose, gifts, past in flames ect ect ect I am dead. 1-1. Game 3 I have LD, a stormbae and bolts for his bros. He dies real quick. 2-1 to me!!!
3-0
The final. Mono white hatebears.
Game 1, he is on the play. Thalia and leonin arbiter tax the ***** out of me. 1-0 to him. Game 2 having no sweepers in my board punishes me. He win 2-0
3-1 final result. I came 2nd in the event. Good for $24 (first gt $65)
This deck has legs. I never drew the primal command, Baloths didn't impress, but I understand the necessity. Huntsmaster and Inferno titan were dece, but it was Tireless tracker and Pia and Kiran Nalaar that made my day. I do need to bring angers net time, and I would love some trinishperes for my board. I recomend everyone try this style of list.
The deck is clearly set up to combat deaths shadow. With 4 token generateing creatures, tracker to out draw them and nissa to make more tokens. If you aren't in a shadow heavy meta I wouldn't bother trying pia and nissa
First things first. Both lists play 2 birds. Some people will never be believers, but I don't think it's an accident that the decks share this characteristic.
The 25th place decklist is very vanilla, playing all the usual suspects. The only mildy spicy additions are playing only 3 stone rains, and playing a 2nd primal command. If anyone were new to the deck and wanted a platform to start from this is a good spot. I like the 2 baloths.
The 7th place list is far more strange and out there. 2 huntsmasters, 3 trackers, 2 pia and kiran, a MAINBOARD Thrun, no beast within or bonfire and a nissa voice of zendikar round out our weird and wonderful selection of spells.
There is clearly a mainboard 'go wide' strategy at play here. Questions is why? And is it too cute? I don't like the Nissa, but Huntsmaster, P&K and Traka are all worth a look at in my opinion. I might have to give a list like this ago this week or next.
If only I wasn't blowing all my cash on Smallpox at the moment
I'm trying a version with 10 fetches, 2 Stomping Grounds, 1 Cinder Glade, 1 Mountain and 8 Forests.
With Acid-moss, I feel it can really help purging deck from lands later on.
With Blood Moon, they are just reg mountain without any drawbacks
I also play 2 Huntmaster and will soon play 2 Thragtusk for mitigating self damage (+ I love those cards)
I play 9 fetches 3 shocks and it feels good. I do play a of mountain, but I warn you this, Cinder glade is a trap. It will cost you a game, or a hand. We are a deck who more often than not must play our first 2 lands untaped. If you get a 2 lander with a cinder glade with a bird/elf/sprawl and a moon you could be in for a rough time.
Ah today was bad. I drew bad. I don't mind loosing good games but not drawing land game 2 and then on game 3 all lands both matches. Still on the Regissaur is awesome train
What does it do though? It's a nice body, and the 3/3 is okay. But I can't see the value in it over Swagtusk, GDD or Stormbae
It's 7 power for 5 mana, 3 of which has haste.
I got a chance to play one last. Friday. It's very good, helped close that game very quickly. That said, it might warrant more testing to see if I keep it in my build.
It makes a pushable, boltable creature and provides no other value. At the very least is has to be worse than Thragtusk right? Which I don't find good enough anyway.
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Okay, dis a tricky question. The way I personally sideboard is bringing in cards I think are good. Then cutting cards in order of what I think are worst in the match up. I know it sounds heaps obvious but the 2 important things in play here ae that I'm focusung on whats comming in, rather than whats getting cut, and that I don't swap out average cards for other average cards.
Anyway, against deaths shadow I like Chameleon colossus, relics, groffdongers codge. Cards I dislike are Bonfire, Chandra and stnerain. So I cut them in that order. If I suspect young pdiddy I bring in anger, and MAYBE keep some bonefire.
Against U/W I like Thrun, Relics, Codge and sometimes, just sometimes anger (if you suspect pdiddy in a jeskai variant or if they play geist)
I dislike Bonefire in non pyro geist builds, Baloth, Chameleon colossus and inferno titan isn't great here. Stonerains are good because they rely heavily on man lands and beast within is great because it deals with Dsphere, search for Azacantanazaza, Walkers and 4/4 flying vigilance mofos.
The biggest problem in our deck is the problem Naya Lightsaber had. Dorks. Hitting a dork or sprawl would feel bad. Can we not play those cards? I think the answer is no. BBE is't right for our build of LD.
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Burn. You are making a CLASSIC mistake here. Unless it's mono red burn keep your moons IN!!! They play no plains or forests. My other deck is burn and moon beats us up bad. I have won so many games against burn where I have mooned them and it saved me from 3 or 4 burn spells. Take out all the moss and the some stonerains instead.
Deaths shadow. Put in relics. Pop them early and often. You can take away their ability to T2/T3 tas/fish. Also cripples snaps. Cut bonefires, and LD. But bear in mind Chandra and Garruk aren't the best here, as they can be hit by stubby d.
Abzan. Your plan seems fine. Maybe bring in anger if they are more low to the ground and ligering souls based.
Tron. Bonefires out, trinisheres and a single grudge in.
Scapeshift. Bring in fracturing gust, maybe ancient grudge as well. They play artifacts and enchantments out of the board like prismatic omen or cruciable of worlds. Also some are moving to chalice.
Affinity. I don't love finks here. Maybe keep 3 stone rains in, can be relevant if you don't hit a moon, or if you use it to destroy a citadel under a moon.
I like your board for the next 3 matchups, I would bring in trinisphere against zoo.
I think tragtusk could be better in some matchups than Baloth, but worse in the one tha counts (burn obvs)
I don't like moss, what else can I say? I find it too slow for my taste, and just as bad as stone rain as a top deck late game.
I was playing 2 beast within, so double stone rain + BW isn't THAT much of a stretch, but yes, that game vs storm was a gift from god, and I 100% agree I should have had at least double anger in the board.
No, I never pinged a clue at people, only thops. However, I drew MANY cards. Tracker really smashed that eldrazi and taxes player.
My list
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Excuse the back to natures. There is a group who play at my LGS who have a boggles deck they like to share between them from night to night while the others play their real decks, just to mess with us. They also break out lantern from time to time the hateful hateful *****.
Before the event I played a bunch of practice games against a mates sultai midrange deck for 4-1 in games. Deck felt good, tracker felt good.
Round 1. B/W Eldrazi and taxes.
Not much to say, game 1 I mooned him turn 3 then slammed a tracker which drew me 10000000 cards and killed him. Game 2 I didn't moon him, and was flooded heavily, but drawing a tracker saved the day, I went down to 4 life but stabalized with a 2nd tracker and drew 1 million cards as they became huge and killed him easily.
1-0
Round 2. Grixis deaths shadow.
Game 1 he did the thing where I get my had shredded and then a pair of 7/7s kill me real quick. Game 2 I keep the Baloth dream hand, (utopia sprawl, baloth, 5 land) and sure enough he thoughtsizes. I get a free baloth and back it up with pia and kiran into STORMBAE!!!! 1-1. Round 3 was an attritional oppening, with an elf getting pushed and a moon getting sized. But turn 4 chameleon colosssus into urn 5 chameleon colosssus is just unbeatable. I waited til I had a board of pia and kiran + thops and a stormbae to block with so I wouldn't die to a double snapcaster blocking each of my colossus. 2-1 to me!!!
2-0
Round 3. Gifts storm.
Game 1 I have a dork, and 3 pieces of LD. I destroy 3 lands and kill him. Sweet dreams are made of these. 1-0 Game 2 I LD him a bit and moon him and am scoozing his key cards out of his bin , but on turn 5 he slams an island, then a baral. He has 1 red mana open..... ritual, ritual, ritual, manamorphose, gifts, past in flames ect ect ect I am dead. 1-1. Game 3 I have LD, a stormbae and bolts for his bros. He dies real quick. 2-1 to me!!!
3-0
The final. Mono white hatebears.
Game 1, he is on the play. Thalia and leonin arbiter tax the ***** out of me. 1-0 to him. Game 2 having no sweepers in my board punishes me. He win 2-0
3-1 final result. I came 2nd in the event. Good for $24 (first gt $65)
This deck has legs. I never drew the primal command, Baloths didn't impress, but I understand the necessity. Huntsmaster and Inferno titan were dece, but it was Tireless tracker and Pia and Kiran Nalaar that made my day. I do need to bring angers net time, and I would love some trinishperes for my board. I recomend everyone try this style of list.
7th place list is posted above
25th place list http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=116686
First things first. Both lists play 2 birds. Some people will never be believers, but I don't think it's an accident that the decks share this characteristic.
The 25th place decklist is very vanilla, playing all the usual suspects. The only mildy spicy additions are playing only 3 stone rains, and playing a 2nd primal command. If anyone were new to the deck and wanted a platform to start from this is a good spot. I like the 2 baloths.
The 7th place list is far more strange and out there. 2 huntsmasters, 3 trackers, 2 pia and kiran, a MAINBOARD Thrun, no beast within or bonfire and a nissa voice of zendikar round out our weird and wonderful selection of spells.
There is clearly a mainboard 'go wide' strategy at play here. Questions is why? And is it too cute? I don't like the Nissa, but Huntsmaster, P&K and Traka are all worth a look at in my opinion. I might have to give a list like this ago this week or next.
If only I wasn't blowing all my cash on Smallpox at the moment
What if we became a coco deck!!!! x4 elf, x4 magus, x4 fulminator, Some scooze, finks, e witness...
Okay it's pretty dumb
I play 9 fetches 3 shocks and it feels good. I do play a of mountain, but I warn you this, Cinder glade is a trap. It will cost you a game, or a hand. We are a deck who more often than not must play our first 2 lands untaped. If you get a 2 lander with a cinder glade with a bird/elf/sprawl and a moon you could be in for a rough time.
It makes a pushable, boltable creature and provides no other value. At the very least is has to be worse than Thragtusk right? Which I don't find good enough anyway.