I haven't played it myself, but there's two guys at my local shop who play 4c/5c teachings with cruel ultimatum and vivids/reflecting pools. They consistently do reasonably well (3/1 or better) and one of them has won like three or 4 IQ's with the deck. The trick is they go pretty all-in on cheap interaction--bolts, paths, lightning helixes, mana leaks, etc. I haven't seen them beat burn except with a turn five on-curve baneslayer angel, so there is that. I've seen one of them come close with t3 timely reinforcements, t4 timely reinforcements, t5 cryptic, turn 6 rest for the weary/snap it back.
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I don't have much experience with cruel control in just grixis, but I played it the entire time we had ultimatum + vivid lands in standard. My assumption would be that a 4/5 color mana base off of vivid lands + reflecting pools would be LESS painful, but basically half a turn slower. So, the question becomes, can you be efficient enough to survive long enough to "turn the corner" from a half-turn deficit? If you can, the 4c vivid/reflecting pool version is extremely powerful, offering the best of everything--slot removal, countermagic, planeswalkers, threats... It's a question of tradeoffs.
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this is the cruel control thread. You're asking about playing the two colors we don't play. Also, collected company is pretty solidly a midrange or combo card, not control, as everything it flips dies to abrupt decay and inquisition of kozilek, two things we care about as control players. Why were you posting this here again?
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bad because tasigur, murderous cut, snapcaster mage, all eating graveyards. Less likely to actually hit enough relevant threats from their deck to be worthwhile.
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I like remand in cruel control in theory, not as a counterspell, but rather as a cantrip. It's a cantrip that buys time and fights back against snapcaster mage from other blue decks; That's more than enough reason to run a couple, I still have two in Esper.
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Yeah, if you REALLY cared about winning with control, you'd defect to esper like me
Cruel control is for those who have a love of pulling wings off butterflies and clubbing baby seals.
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Ulting Jace AOT into cruel ultimatum should already be GG. Wanting to hit another planeswalker is so overtly win-more that you should be somewhat ashamed of trying for it. One more mana than cruel ultimatum is a big deal when we're already the only deck trying to ever cast a spell with more than triple color requirements in the format. Yes, Nicol Bolas is nuts on the table against any fair deck. No, I don't think you should ever in a million years plan to play him; jam some grave titans if you want to beat midrange.
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I want magic origins to contain bolt, counterspell, goyf, dark confidant, and wrath of god. Take core sets out with a bang.
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anything that gets rid of mana leaks is worthwhile. Mana leak is trash for a control deck in modern; at least rune snag scales somewhat.
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the general consensus across the other control threads is you should play neither, because anticipate is about to become legal.
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he hates the slaughter games. I play him in my locals on occasion, and he keeps trying to use it to beat the scapeshift decks that infest our local metagame so heavily. Also, it's not just the list--he's been on cruel control in every format cruel ultimatum is legal in since that card was printed it seems. The guy is on the same level with cruel control that Dickman is on twin. Pretty sure he'd be playing it in the legacy IQ at star city games center this weekend if he weren't at the open. Think twice is really important because his build is so spread out with the 1 and 2 of's and he needs the card draw to pull it together, unlike in other builds where remand is strong because of the consistency factor.
Pretty sure last week he had a third cruel mainboard; not sure what he cut it for. I'll try to remember to ask when I see him next week.
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I feel like the deck may have been slightly mis-classified. that looks a hell of a lot more like 4c Teachings than cruel control. Not that I'm seriously complaining, list is SWEET.
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cruel ultimatum is only not GG against blue decks that can have interaction on the stack with it. Card is bonkers.
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Night of Soul's Betrayal is good in Esper, but it hitting all creatures bugged me, and eventually I discovered Curse of Death's Hold. Still avoids abrupt decay, not dead in multiples, completely blanks lingering souls, and doesn't ruin your snapcaster mages and cliques.
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Cruel control is for those who have a love of pulling wings off butterflies and clubbing baby seals.
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Pretty sure last week he had a third cruel mainboard; not sure what he cut it for. I'll try to remember to ask when I see him next week.
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