vs merfolks what u thing its better fire spot or volcanic f ? or other cards ?
tefer is good ?
Honestly a mix of volcanic fallout and spot removal is the best. Use your spot removal for lords and your mass for random dudes. Firespout is better against zoo and other aggro decks though.
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Does anybody play Consecrated Sphinx for finisher and/or draw engine ?
Its really no better than any other finisher. Ultimatum is the draw engine/finisher of the deck. the other creature just gets the assist.
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Other than Maelstrom Pulse, I was hoping for an answer to them rather than delaying them with bounce spells...:-/
maybe running some in the board is a good thing...
Honestly budget in this format is less than $200. They did make promo cryptics that are like 8-15 bucks a piece.
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I see. Well if I had te money to buy cryptics I would. Hover for the time being would he be suffice?
A chumper blocker then a turn 5 Titan?
No. Run some other bounce like into the roil or echoing truth. Lightning bolt also does a decent job, not to mention that celestial purge from sideboard works on some walkers. Maelstrom pulse, beast within....
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Why cut the solemns? It gets me a turn 5 titan / WCE or turn 6 cruel???
I agree with the above statements but im waiting for think twice from innistrad atm.
Because solemn is bad. Its a 4 mana rampant growth. I know it has upsides to rampant growth, but its not worth the mana. Plus taping out against some decks means you lose fyi.
Think twice is a reprint just so you know.
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I think the deck would work alright. Not sure if I want inferno titans or the sphinxs in there. Thoughts?
Maybe some serum visions instead of something else?
I would do what dagarver said except I would also cut solemns.
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Consacrated Sphinx maybe ?
Or for instants/sorceries, Tidings or Jace's Ingenuity ?
CS is ok, but no better than any other threats that we have. Tidings and J-I are way to expensive to really do much work. Vendilion clique has helped me a lot with 4 esper charm, and 2 mulldrifter. I also run 3 ultimatums.
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The main problem I have is with the finishers, I control the game until my opponent have some like 2 cards in hand and one or two little dudes. So we both start just drawing and passing the turn, until one of us drop some big dude (probabibly will get countered too).
What I want to say is, I don't have the wincon or the big dude on the RIGHT TIME. Of course being on late-game is good for me, but I could win the game before if I had the right finisher.
Oh yeah, I play Cruel Control - 4cc, not grixis
Vendilion clique + more card draw will fix that problem
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Why would you run 2 Bolts? Run 4 or 0, that's basically all there is to it. It's only good early game and is a dead topdeck against a lot of decks. I've elected to just cut them completely in favor of Path and Terminate.
Condescend isn't quite like Mana Leak or Rune Snag at any point. It's not as emphatic of a permission spell in the early game (what if they play a 1 drop on turn 2? etc), nor does it really matter late game. The Scry 2 is moot. I've found Think Twice to be enough in terms of digging power. If you're desperate for that kind of draw smoothing, run something like Sleight of Hand or Serum Visions.
Argentum used to run Teachings in his deck. That was a really big point of contention for a good portion of this thread, you can go back and see the arguments for and against it. I won't start the flame war that it was back up, but I generally didn't see the point in running an Instant/Flash tutor when my trademark spell was Sorcery speed.
Lightning bolt used to be a bit better, however I don't believe it necessary now. I will be making an updated list here soon, with card explanation and new match up analysis.
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I agree that vendilion clique is the best creature ever in this deck. I'm just sad that I didn't run it as often in standard. I guess I didn't realize how good it was then.
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I agree that the deck doesn't necessarily need them, but they can help, so long as you've tuned your deck to support them.
My only problem with wall is that they are essentially dead against any non-aggro deck. If i was going to pick one it would be spellskite just because the interaction against splinter-twin/burn decks/infect shoal.
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i've only come across 2 cryptic commands from my friends and LGS, but i still want to participate in FNMs, what would be a good stand in for the missing 2 cryptic commands?
Honestly I don't always run 4 cryptic in modern. Just run some additional ponder type effects or other stuff. Its only two cards. You can also use them as additional meta dependent slots, for combo hate or aggro hate.
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True, but I also never needed 3 Cruel to put a game away. It's also much easier to dig for Cruel than find Clique to put Cruel away for another day.
honestly I feel kind of sad to not be able to cast it on 7th turn. I understand not running 3 though.
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I have always played two Cruel. Opening up with one in your hand is basically a mulligan. I have Cryptic, Repeal, Esper Charm, and Preoradain... hell even Vendillion Clique to dig for it.
As for the Terminate/Bolt/Repeal/Damantion/Firespout thing... here is my logic. Firespout is great against Zoo, Elves, ect ect... however it is dead vs nearly everything else. Damnation is always going to do something, so say against 12 post I can still kill a Primeval or something of that nature. Also, Firespout doesn't always kill Goyf or KotR... two creatures which see a lot of play. The same is said for Bolt... against the fast aggro decks? Fantastic. 12Post/Tarmogoyf? Kill me now.
You can use vendilion clique to put the cruel ultimatum on bottom then pop a fetch later to shuffle it closer to the to when you want it.
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Honestly a mix of volcanic fallout and spot removal is the best. Use your spot removal for lords and your mass for random dudes. Firespout is better against zoo and other aggro decks though.
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Its really no better than any other finisher. Ultimatum is the draw engine/finisher of the deck. the other creature just gets the assist.
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Honestly budget in this format is less than $200. They did make promo cryptics that are like 8-15 bucks a piece.
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No. Run some other bounce like into the roil or echoing truth. Lightning bolt also does a decent job, not to mention that celestial purge from sideboard works on some walkers. Maelstrom pulse, beast within....
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Because solemn is bad. Its a 4 mana rampant growth. I know it has upsides to rampant growth, but its not worth the mana. Plus taping out against some decks means you lose fyi.
Think twice is a reprint just so you know.
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I would do what dagarver said except I would also cut solemns.
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CS is ok, but no better than any other threats that we have. Tidings and J-I are way to expensive to really do much work. Vendilion clique has helped me a lot with 4 esper charm, and 2 mulldrifter. I also run 3 ultimatums.
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Vendilion clique + more card draw will fix that problem
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Lightning bolt used to be a bit better, however I don't believe it necessary now. I will be making an updated list here soon, with card explanation and new match up analysis.
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think twice isn't much of a slouch.
Our worst matchup has been fixed. Now it is time to brew away.
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My only problem with wall is that they are essentially dead against any non-aggro deck. If i was going to pick one it would be spellskite just because the interaction against splinter-twin/burn decks/infect shoal.
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Honestly I don't always run 4 cryptic in modern. Just run some additional ponder type effects or other stuff. Its only two cards. You can also use them as additional meta dependent slots, for combo hate or aggro hate.
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honestly I feel kind of sad to not be able to cast it on 7th turn. I understand not running 3 though.
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You can use vendilion clique to put the cruel ultimatum on bottom then pop a fetch later to shuffle it closer to the to when you want it.
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