MTG Salvation

Quote from OP_Forever

10/4/2004: You can arrange your cards any time before the Orb is put onto the battlefield, but not after. In general, you should not stack cards or put them in places where your opponent can't read the names of all of them or count them. This is recommended good gaming practice.

So... your opponent can't rearrange them. If he does, flash him the gatherer.

Yes they can. You can rearrange them while the Orb is on the stack...

Quote from Donald

Once you get the flipping down it should hit almost every time. It's really obnoxious to play against if played as printed.

It's even worse to play against when using pretend rules.

Quote from Kyle2Plowshares

Realistically, it only hits one card about half the time, making it unplayable.

Which is why it doesn't make the cut in the cube.

If you had to flip a coin and only colorless-vindicate something if you win the flip, it would be closer to a functional errata of what the card actually does.

Quote from meep98324

I actually think you're wrong wtwtf. Not a lot of people on this forum use chaos orb, but from what I've heard, a ton of cubes outside of this forum use it.

Seeings as how the question was asked to the members of this forum, I don't think that was terribly inaccurate to say no.

There are cubes outside this forum that use it that way, but they're in the minority even in the non-mtgs cubes I've seen.

Most people don't play with custom erratas and house rules. So you're one of the few.

Quote from goodsirgooch

Not playing Jace 3

I mean, all of them mill. But I agree that only the milling on the 3rd one is oppressive.

Quote from goodsirgooch

(only thing in the cube that mill are Oona and Sword of Body and Mind).

And the Jaces?

Quote from meep98324

Whoa, it's arbitrary what people think is arbitrary? Hipsters.

I thought it was arbitrary before it was cool to think it's arbitrary.

I consider white-border bans and ugly art bans to be arbitrary. I also don't like the idea of banning cards because of color-pie bleed or because it's a functional reprint either.

But not playing cards that were never intended/designed to be played alongside other cards doesn't feel arbitrary. At least, not to me.

Quote from KBH

Well, I don't think its any more arbitrary than playing or not playing cards that are legal in every sanctioned format based on whim

I do, and it's not arbitrary or based on a whim.

Quote from KBH

and the same-old-same-old can get tired after a while so a little spice can be a good thing

That's why the cube rotates new cards in and old cards out. Not creating new rules for existing cards. But that's just my $0.02.

I hate custom erratas far more than having to flip the card. At least playing it the way markslack does is as the card was designed/intended to be played, which is why I was giving him props for it.

Quote from markslack

I am running Chaos Orb due to theme, and yes, you have to flip it.

Damn straight you have to flip it. I think that it's cool you play that card and require the dexterity. Props.

Quote from Grapefruit21

@wtfwlf: I think it's because there is not really another effect like it in the game as far as I know, and I had never even hear of the card until I started cubing. Tbh I'm not really sure why I hate it so much, but I do and I will never put it in my cube.

Plus I hate the art, which I know is decently accepted, but it has no nostalgic value for me, and I find it kind of ugly.

There's a judge promo to solve the art problem.

I'm surprised you had never heard of Land Tax before you started cubing. It's old as dirt and it's been an amazing card since the dawn of time. White actually has a lot of effects that grab lands when you're behind (Tithe, Weathered Wayfarer, Knight of the White Orchid, etc) which are all "fixed" versions of Land Tax that stem from the original design. Too bad you hate it so much; the card is really good, and is beastly in the cube.

Why doesn't it feel like a Magic card?

The only cards I ban are cards that weren't intended to be tournament legal when they were designed/printed. So that's the Un- sets, the holiday cards and the Portal/Starter sets.