I don't really understand all the hostility from you. I came to a forum dedicated to discussing magic cards for cube, to ask a question about a magic card for cube. I was looking for a few opinions about a card before I spend significant money to acquire one. I understand how the card works and that it is powerful but cube is a different animal than a constructed format and I don't have years of experience cubing. I have done exactly 5 cube drafts.
As someone who listens or perhaps now listened to both of your podcasts regularly it is even more aggravating because you seemed like someone who was interested in educating people, especially newer players about cubing. I apologize if my questions didn't meet your high standards.
I sincerely apologize for my tone. To be frank, I didn't read the OP when I responded. This topic has history dating back to when I first started posting on this forum. It was much less a reaction to your questions (which are perfectly valid) and more to do with the hyperbole that ensued.
Regardless of how I feel, letting my agenda spill over into this thread was wrong, and my response was definitely uncalled for. I didn't outright apologize when I was called out for being rude, and I certainly don't want to turn away new community members. I hope you'll accept my apology and be assured that you are most welcome here. I appreciate you and other members saying something.
Look, I understand that on a basic level we shouldn't shoot [scd]s down, but this thread is the cube equivalent of posting a casual deck in a competitive forum. The conversation isn't particularly engaging and isn't what I come to this forum to discuss. Don't you want to hold yourselves to a little higher standard? I mean, shouldn't we have some criteria for posting these threads?
To me there's no difference between [scd]Black Lotus, [scd]Ancestral Recall, [scd]Goblin Piker, or [scd]Sorrow's Path.
Why? There is always something to be discussed, even with undeniably great cards. Where to pick them. What decks use them best. How they affect your cube. How best to fight against them. Synergies. Why people don't run them. Etc.
For other cards, sure. We are talking about quite arguably the most ho-hum draft pick in the entire Magic lexicon. I get that there are going to be cards that skirt the line, but we've had multiple people say this card is the first pick and playable in every deck. What angle could someone possibly bring to the table other than they don't think it's as great as someone else? For Library there are virtually no reasonable dissenting opinions, only discussion on varying levels of greatness. The ensuing conversation is about as productive as trying to drink out of a colander.
Play it in aggro.
Play it in mid-range.
Play it in control.
Sometimes you draw it.
Sometimes you don't draw it.
Sometimes it gets Wastelanded.
Sometimes you Rishadan Port yourself for a card.
First pick this card when possible (would you like me to draw a flow chart?)
There is very little depth to a conversation regarding the merits of Library. I cannot think of a single productive line other than if someone wanted to talk about it in a variant format. I am truly trying to be objective here. Am I just nuts?
Why even post this? At least attempt to provide some content.
Yes, Library is [one of] the most powerful non-committal cards in the cube. I can think of very few situations in which I'd pick Library over something like Jace 2.0, Sol Ring, Time Walk or Lotus. Regardless, debating the merits of a card that provides free, repeatable card advantage is pretty silly. This thread seems a little like making a [scd] for Lotus, and it probably should get locked.
There are cards I may be more in the mood to play, and the mood to play those archetypes may strike me when I open packs. That can lead to something being picked over Library, but I don't think that's ever the "right" call, in terms of raw power level.
I mean, I don't know what your definition of 'raw power level' is being that it's subjective, but I can think of a dozen cards off the top of my head I'd snag over LoA P1P1.
There are definitely cards I rate higher than Library and would snap pick over it (in P1P1 scenario and archetype support); however, it's a pretty short list.
The card is nuts. If you value powerful cards and interactions in your list, you'd be nuts if you didn't run it.
I sincerely apologize for my tone. To be frank, I didn't read the OP when I responded. This topic has history dating back to when I first started posting on this forum. It was much less a reaction to your questions (which are perfectly valid) and more to do with the hyperbole that ensued.
Regardless of how I feel, letting my agenda spill over into this thread was wrong, and my response was definitely uncalled for. I didn't outright apologize when I was called out for being rude, and I certainly don't want to turn away new community members. I hope you'll accept my apology and be assured that you are most welcome here. I appreciate you and other members saying something.
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
To me there's no difference between [scd]Black Lotus, [scd]Ancestral Recall, [scd]Goblin Piker, or [scd]Sorrow's Path.
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
Play it in aggro.
Play it in mid-range.
Play it in control.
Sometimes you draw it.
Sometimes you don't draw it.
Sometimes it gets Wastelanded.
Sometimes you Rishadan Port yourself for a card.
First pick this card when possible (would you like me to draw a flow chart?)
There is very little depth to a conversation regarding the merits of Library. I cannot think of a single productive line other than if someone wanted to talk about it in a variant format. I am truly trying to be objective here. Am I just nuts?
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
Yes, Library is [one of] the most powerful non-committal cards in the cube. I can think of very few situations in which I'd pick Library over something like Jace 2.0, Sol Ring, Time Walk or Lotus. Regardless, debating the merits of a card that provides free, repeatable card advantage is pretty silly. This thread seems a little like making a [scd] for Lotus, and it probably should get locked.
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube
The card is nuts. If you value powerful cards and interactions in your list, you'd be nuts if you didn't run it.
Joy of Cubing Podcast
My 600 Card Unpowered Cube
My Combo Cube