The new bolas is unreal, I finally added it into my list, which hasn't been updated in a while, I should soon. Have you thought about adding in the new Vraska?
She's on my list of cards to acquire. Just haven't seen any for trade yet.
Yeaaah, she seems hot right now, I got one in my box, so I was fortunate. Still haven't found a spot for it though.
The new bolas is unreal, I finally added it into my list, which hasn't been updated in a while, I should soon. Have you thought about adding in the new Vraska?
It's funny because they're trying so hard to make standard cards in such a proactive manner, as you drew on, it's like a weaker Thrummingbird. None of the new cards are really that busted out of the gate, EDH doesn't really have that mindset. Just look at how busted Deepglow Skate was before the decks even launched, Yidris is along a similar vein. Personally (even though this isn't the right forum for this but...), I think that the Deepglow Skate and Yidris should've been single target/spell triggers. They would still be really playable, but they just shape the format/archetypes so hard that it's kinda unfair.
Yeah, I sleeved up the new alternate build last night, and I'm planning to give it a spin on Tuesday. I think the only card I hadn't listed before was Gisela, Blade of Goldnight - seemed like good protection. We'll see how it does.
Gisela seems interesting, I think paired with Lightmine Field would be a troll-y deterrent to attacks. I put in Pendrell Mists in my most recent build to get around potential token rush down.
Seeing as how you run lots of proliferating tricks, and now Gisela, Palliation Accord might be a thought for playtesting. If you've got a Doubling agent or Bubbling Season in the mix then it can be a possibility. (Although it doesn't prevent to walkers - it can still be considered if you go the prison/defensive shell route at some point)
I recommend trying it out with Narset and/or Maelstrom Wanderer. they can get cheap tricks out into the field. I have them both in my primary walker deck and they both produce crazy value. They're decent to consider but may not be up everyone's alley.
My list needs an update, I haven't been able to commit much time to the forum recently.
Brago is nuts in a walkers build, if Doubling Season comes out after a couple of walkers are out it gives you the doubled loyalty. OR you get multi activations out of your walkers. Flickering nonland permanents can be walkers, oaths, mana rocks, I'd consider it almost a staple in walker decks.
True, like I said, I only picked up the two, mainly because I knew of the value in the Breed Lethality, and because I wanted to play the Entropic one because of a more casual playgroup. I was lucky enugh to pre-order the Skate at about 5.99 CAD, along with other cards like the Prismatic Geoscope at about 1.50 CAD before they jumped, as I knew they would. You're right about the "hype price" surrounding new product, my concern is with fluctuation. I think cards like Burgeoning, Sol Ring and Solemn Simulacrum are the type of cards that never really stay down because of how good they are. People crack these decks and rarely sell away cards of such universal value.
You may want to pick up the Atraxa deck, it has the Deepglow Skate as well as other stuff you may need, I picked up the deck alongside the Idris Elba deck and was surprised at how much value they had in them. Both the above mention cards cost about 12ish USD so it may be worth it to pick it up. You also get those cool Rebecca Guay lands which I think are pretty nice.
Sublime Exhalation is a nice option for those focusing on multiplayer games.
Overall, it depends on how often you get in 5+ player games. Personally, I like Terminus or Catastrophe are better removal for the price range, and Supreme Verdict, Damnation, or Hallowed Burial because of the tack ons besides get rid of all creatures.
I will say that for the standard four player game, I did notice it costs 3W until people start dropping, which is a less restrictive Day of Judgment.
I agree with your thoughts on other board clear options. You're right, unless you're playing in a 4+ person game it won't be as great as the mechanic is trying to make it. Also ***/DoJo option really isn't that much worse. I agree it's a less restrictive Dojo, but with *** at least there's no regeneration (which I never really need or see that much in EDH) which can be an upside over needing the extra W.
Deepglow Skate though, I wonder how much that'll be going for after the set is released and people start grabbing it in troupes. I assume it'll be in the non-red precon, which may be the only one that I go for lol.
He feels underwhelming to me. Slowing one creature is all to often not enough. Card draw is great, and the lifegain is a bonus, but I'd rather be gaining loyalty than spending it. And the emblem is quite oppressive, but I just don't see it happening very often, as it's even out of Doubling Season range and his plus just isn't that great.
Has anyone else tried running Dovin?
I have one in my Esper walkers deck and immediatly had to go out an buy another copy for my 5 colour walkers build, the -1 is pretty good if you run a lot of prison effects, with proliferator he's even better. The auto-Static Orb that can't be removed is game ending if/when you get it off. If you run stax/prison strategies then the +1 has value. I think his strength lies in being able to protect him (with stax/prison and counter magic) and cheat out loyalty (via proliferate or Ajani/Animation Module type effects).
I think that the price point is decent, and I think that he is going to be like Narset price wise where he going to have a low point when he isn't being run and rotates out and then slowly creep up again, like Narset has.
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice seems like a nice creature for the deck. Solid stats, good abilities and free proliferate every turn!
Yeah personally I really like the card, all the other proliferate tricks are tap abilities or require a bigger price point for the effect, so I really like the static and free proliferate. I think that they missed a chance to make this a five colour commander, even though 4 colour is the themed design, giving it haste and red seems more like new phyrexian praetor-eke creature. But either way I like the card and am going to get a copy.
True true, it adds more, thematically, and it is also cheaper turn wise. It only really has that last ability, unless the number of creatures and/or tokens your deck uses necessitates it.
Ohhh I hadn't realized how good Venser is with Oaths.
From Eldritch Moon I'm interested in trying the new Tamiyo, Oath of Liliana and Deploy the Gatewatch.
Tamiyo seems nice even in a low creature count deck since her first ability can be used on the opponent's creature. With Doubling Season she's nearly insane.
Deploy the Gatewatch is an auto-include. Cheating two planeswalkers into play is just too powerful (it may not always work though).
But the card I'm most in love with is Oath of Liliana. This card's power just escalates in a multiplayer game. And a free chump blocker for each walker is what this deck wants everyday.
Considering I haven't found a slot for SOI's Sorin yet, it will be a challenge to include all those cards
I have the same problem with your last point, %100. The draw efficiency is too good to pass up.
I run Omniscience because the new Tamiyo's abilities are centered around creatures, excluding the last ability. I play one creature Academy Rector other than Progenitus (Commander) in my superfriends build, so there are definitely restrictions to playing walkers in my deck. I still haven't found a spot for the new Sorin.
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BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Not as good as proliferate though, only gets one target.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Gisela seems interesting, I think paired with Lightmine Field would be a troll-y deterrent to attacks. I put in Pendrell Mists in my most recent build to get around potential token rush down.
Seeing as how you run lots of proliferating tricks, and now Gisela, Palliation Accord might be a thought for playtesting. If you've got a Doubling agent or Bubbling Season in the mix then it can be a possibility. (Although it doesn't prevent to walkers - it can still be considered if you go the prison/defensive shell route at some point)
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
My list needs an update, I haven't been able to commit much time to the forum recently.
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BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
I agree with your thoughts on other board clear options. You're right, unless you're playing in a 4+ person game it won't be as great as the mechanic is trying to make it. Also ***/DoJo option really isn't that much worse. I agree it's a less restrictive Dojo, but with *** at least there's no regeneration (which I never really need or see that much in EDH) which can be an upside over needing the extra W.
Deepglow Skate though, I wonder how much that'll be going for after the set is released and people start grabbing it in troupes. I assume it'll be in the non-red precon, which may be the only one that I go for lol.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
I have one in my Esper walkers deck and immediatly had to go out an buy another copy for my 5 colour walkers build, the -1 is pretty good if you run a lot of prison effects, with proliferator he's even better. The auto-Static Orb that can't be removed is game ending if/when you get it off. If you run stax/prison strategies then the +1 has value. I think his strength lies in being able to protect him (with stax/prison and counter magic) and cheat out loyalty (via proliferate or Ajani/Animation Module type effects).
I think that the price point is decent, and I think that he is going to be like Narset price wise where he going to have a low point when he isn't being run and rotates out and then slowly creep up again, like Narset has.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Yeah personally I really like the card, all the other proliferate tricks are tap abilities or require a bigger price point for the effect, so I really like the static and free proliferate. I think that they missed a chance to make this a five colour commander, even though 4 colour is the themed design, giving it haste and red seems more like new phyrexian praetor-eke creature. But either way I like the card and am going to get a copy.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
True true, it adds more, thematically, and it is also cheaper turn wise. It only really has that last ability, unless the number of creatures and/or tokens your deck uses necessitates it.
I have the same problem with your last point, %100. The draw efficiency is too good to pass up.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar